Porcy Mane

Sorry. Couldn't resist it...

Pedant Mode On Hunslet Austerity 3890 (Technically the last SG steam loco built in the UK prior to That A1 thingy.) was fitted with an underfeed stoker. Worked at Cadeby Colliery. Hunslet 3193 was another. Pedant Mode Off Porcy

If ever there was an item of rolling stock that lay true the adage, "to make an accurate model, base it on a prototype photograph taken during your modelling period", the DBT is it.

Your post motivated me to go on the hunt through my transparency collection. By total coincidence I have a slide that shows the same DBT being shunted at Reading on 21-March-1980. Fortunately it shows the other side and the sheeting appears to have been replaced in one whole. Access to the vac cyls must have been via the top sheet only. The paint looks brand new. One difference on "my side" is it has a five spoke brake wheel. P

I don't blame you. There has been some sensible debate on the DBTs elsewhere on RMweb (and even in this thread) I just can't find the links at the moment. I think I would be fairly safe in saying, "all dependant on builder and diagram Number". The tumblehome (or lack of it) along approx the bottom 9" of the side sheets. 1/555 York Builds, amongst others had it, as here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/49032-pdk-kits-diesel-brake-tender/&do=findComment&comment=558500 And here: Thornaby Shed with Four English Electric Type 3s 1965 by Howie Milburn, on Flickr To my eyes the tumblehome is best seen on the York builds in the area were the drawbar protrudes beyond the body line. Also as the tender aged the start of the roll under started to become more sharply defined along the tender side. Maybe this was due to the frame flexing. I have written elsewhere as due to the DBT wheelbase being almost half of the standard rail length they could start to bounce due to harmonics. Then there were the long bodied DBTs that didn't have the tumblehome. eg 1/556 by Central and Standard. As here: Unfitted Freight by Tony, on Flickr and here https://flic.kr/p/9N2zr5 https://flic.kr/p/dKjdGc Your photos and others certainly give sway to the idea that there was plenty of re-plating ad patch repairing going on. My photo of 120 in Acton Yard shows areas on the sides that have just been ground back to bare metal with a DA Sander or Angle grinder. Fresh writing has then been applied to bare metal with no priming whatsoever. With regard to the York DBT's I feel they were all originally fitted with the GUV type of brake wheel. I have a phot of 103 with that type but a later neg of 103 shows the same side of the DBT to be fitted with a 4 spoke BW after a works visit and repainting into the second style of green livery. Photographs of fairly new diagram 1/156 tenders look like they were fitted with any style of wheel that fell to hand. I can sympathise with you reluctance to measure a DBT. A few years ago I was shown a photographic collection that included a full survey of two tenders in Barry scrapyard. The guy that took them (Sadly no longer with us) was continually ribbed by his mates as to why he was wasting his film on "such Monstrosities". His answer was that someday someone would want to build a replica. Good thing is that whatever you measured that day, the drawing will be of use to someone. P

A good few years ago I would have agreed with your observation whole heartedly but as my ever increasing collection of DBT negs and transparencies and ephemera seem to show there was no hard and fast rule. I'm only talking about dia, 1/555 (Lots 3448 & 3500) here, I initially thought that guard irons (Rail guards) were fitted from B964078 onwards having a good number of phots of 078 surrounded by a large selection of its lower numbered compatriots (All ex works) Only 078 had rail guards. 043 is a good example I have phots of this tender at Carlisle and Blaydon with no guard irons yet it had acquired them by the time it was allocated to Healey Mills in 1967 All the phots the tender is in Green with no WP. Guard Irons were certainly removed from some tenders later in their existence. 120 had didn't have them whilst working from Acton yard but the mounting brackets remained. I've a good few phots of DBT's in this condition. I assume the probability that bogies were swopped during maintenance. Another visual difference can be the way the bogie stretches were fitted. Some have the recess to the up side but others face down. P

No need to apply release oil to your wallets hinges then. P

Porcy

Not every DBT had them from new. Scoll down to post #14 in the this test thread to see some examples. One thing I've wondered since first reading about the project, is if the inner ends of the bogies would have full rivet detail so that they could be turned through 180 degrees on their pivots so one could hide the coupling pocket when the tender is propelled. P

Hornby Mag did. See earlier in the thread. The cads were commented upon and some changes were made with various revisions occurring. Can't say whether the changes were from input on here though. Maybe it's the additional vertical panel joints they've decided to add. I've never seen a York built diag.1/555 with those outer two panel joins. ...and now you've got me started. They added the bolts for the access panels to the brake cylinders on the vertical joints so I wonder why they've missed the bolts off the horizontal joints. The side hand rails look to be about 1mm too low. The centre line for the brake wheel (It would have originally been a 3 spoke job' same as fitted to GUV's and Inside BR brake Vans) seems to be too near the centre. I think I can see a hint of a pull cord access hole behind the brake wheel. I've only ever seen one York build like this. Most had two per side. The lamp brackets look nice though and in the right position but why didn't they make the buffers look like oleos? I suppose I better shut up. I don't suppose it's really fair commentating on what amounts to a postage stamp sized picture of a sample. Folk might start calling me Adrian. P Edited to dump the double negative.

To my eyes, it looks like there maybe may be a hint of a tumbleholme but that's about it. I'm sure the reproduction of the rivets is a first (Pedant mode on-They were bolt heads in reality.-Pedant mode off) but that tumbleholme should be more prominent. I guess the producers will be claiming it needed to be reduced to allow for clearance the wheels on small radius curves. (BUT for 00 track?) Again to my eyes the panel lines look way over emphasised. but hey, what do I know. I've had to start wearing glasses! Livery looks a bit off but I've only got pics of 066 in the early GSWP. For the later style of green livery which had the number repositioned to the centre I think the script "Diesel Brake Tender" should be in capitalised lower case and the SYP should extend the full width of the front. There was a lot of variation started after the first repaints so I hope they have based the livery on a photo. I was going to buy a Hornby Mag DBT to support the venture but now I'll wait to see on in the flesh before deciding. Looking at the video I'm glad I've still got my ABS stash. P Edit Just looking through my DBT prints and I have a phot of B964044 lettered similarly to the model on a Healey Mill loose fitted. The lettering is more centrally placed vertically though.

A few more to add to the list. All from the NE area. Derwenthaugh system. Used Ex NER railway brake vans, amongst others. One was almost permanently attached to the permanent way train. In use until approx. 1986. The NCB system around Consett. This system connected the Ex Consett Iron Companies collieries in the area. A NCB brake van was used on NCB trains exercising running powers over BR to access Eden Colliery and Bradley Shops(NCB Wagon Repair) Wearmouth Colliery used an ex short wheelbase LNER Brake van (Duckets removed) on it's own trains that ran between Wearmouth and Hylton Colliery. Unusually it was painted in the NCB blue house colour as opposed to the more normal NE area, NCB Indian red. The Harton system brake vans got as far south as Boldon and Usworth (Washington) Collieries under running powers. Lambton system brake vans reached as far west as Harraton Colliery. Two Brake vans were used on this train running between Harraton and Penshaw due to a reversal at Washington South Junction. I have no photographic proof of this but was told by the loco driver: An NCB brake van used to run over BR lines between Lanchester (Malton Colliery) and Bearpark Colliery. For a time the collieries used to share a Loco and it was a BR stipulation that the NCB supplied a brake van for the running inspector to ride in as the loco passed over BR metals. Hth Porcy

And another. Originally posted in the Blackgill thread. They're crawling out the woodwork now. Blackgill, P4, Scalefour North 18-19 April 2015 by Simon Edmunds, on Flickr P

I don't think they're ABS (Coachmaster). I have an identical pair of bogies that I'm told are by Blacksmith Models. P

Posted this elsewhere today but it's spiritual home must be this thread. A Class 04 in Battersea Wharf Goods yard. Wasp stripe continuity is a bit lacking and the Rozzer calls the railway a "Railroad" in deference to the American market. But hey, it's worth it just to hear the flange squeal. Must be 1962/3 ish? https://youtu.be/9Z6WjOHE6zc?t=44m54s P

Maybe this belongs in the Railways on TV thread? but its a shunter in Action (Two Class 04's to be pedantic!) in Battersea Goods Yard. They got the continuity right as far as the LNER twelve tonner and Lowmac are concerned but fouled up on the wasp stripes. For those wondering on the locations, the Wolseley Cop car does its wheel squealing U turn at the goods warehouse behind where E3008 was stabled in 1960 for the British Railways Electrification Exhibition as seen here: BR. AEI Class "AL1" Bo-Bo, Electric locomotive No. E3008. by Ron Bowyer, on Flickr There's good shots of Culvert Road and Culvert Lane and load of detail of "stuff" just outside the railway boundary. Unbelievable how "tidy" that goods yard is. ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z6WjOHE6zc&feature=youtu.be Start Playing from 41:44. There's also the bonus of the instantly recognizable soundtrack from Edwin Astley P Edit. Bu**er! I've just noticed the thread title is for banger blue only. Aw well, I'll leave the post here anyways cos I like the clip.

J451 Two brake tenders behind that31. Smashing. P

Don't think these have been put up before. From the NRM, released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence The sheeted 16 tonners from the lot modified for raw sugar: ...and I'll bet my bottom dollar that's Denso Tape he's using to seal the sugar in: and sugar beet: http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=Liverpool%20Street&objid=1995-7233_LIVST_FT_274 P

Sort of like this; R0729 - Eastleigh by BarkingBill, on Flickr or this even; R0751 - Eastleigh by BarkingBill, on Flickr P

That seems to be the general consensus here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/98800-overloaded-mineral-wagonsis-it-me/page-2&do=findComment&comment=1880971 P

https://flic.kr/p/e61nYy and currently scratching my head wondering if this 16 tonner is loaded up with swedes? Just I can't see no purple. https://flic.kr/p/e7YRTK P

Although not general merchandise wagons, there is a series of colour photographs by Dick Riley in the May edition of Steam Days. One shows the inside of empty steel hoppers being used for Oxfordshire ironstone at Wroxton in 1957. There is a 13 ton wooden hopper amongst them. I've never seen the inside of model hoppers weathered that way. I don't normally buy the mainstream railway mags but I bought that one just for that picture. Porcy ps, and there's this: https://flic.kr/p/e5UNvH not mineral wagons but 5 plankers...

Hoovers and pinnies. Real mens talk now. Mine gave up the ghost about 3 months ago and no new motors available now Even the local household appliance scrapyard shop (Yes Durham has one of them) proprietor was surprised at how old it was. 35 years! Whilst doing an interwebby search I even found my now expired vacuum cleaner has a web site dedicated to it. After seeing the performance of Rick/Izzys top of the range Dyson (My ex's asthmatic budgerigar had more suck!) I went down the Hoover route. P

Almost certainly West end of Shildon Works. The works pilot or Etherley tip pilot loco. <iframe src="https://www.google.com/maps/embed?pb=!1m0!3m2!1sen!2suk!4v1430833632908!6m8!1m7!1sygERHp1eQuFWQo9s0gG7Rg!2m2!1d54.624891!2d-1.654052!3f17.09333972114283!4f-11.643205058066442!5f0.7820865974627469" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0" style="border:0"></iframe> P

Or just cutting and pasting from forums. (With a little bit of modification...) P