Mrkirtley800

David, you don’t have to buy a turntable. Why not build one yourself from bits of wood, plastikard and wire. It is not difficult but you have to work with some accuracy. if you look at my thread, “Midland Railway in EM gauge”. I described building a 50 foot turntable. It really is not difficult, and mine works perfectly, although it is manually operated. I built one for our club which is electrically operated, again not difficult, building your own has the advantage that you can build it any size, and you don’t need to rely on Dapol. Derek

That is a very nice piece of modelling Kevin, and of an interesting prototype. Derek

If that is what the poor old fireman has to use to stoke the engines, he will get his fingers singed. Derek

Don’t mind at all Al, tweak as much as you like. Derek

The Jones goods has now returned to it's native metals. It can be seen approaching Hanlith Junction, where It will take the main line over the junction so that when it runs over Rylstone South Junction, it can run in a forward direction over the Skipton to Leyburn line, and get to Inverness via the NER and North British railway. So, once more crimson lake reigns supreme at Kirkby Malham. The first train to run for some time is the mid morning passenger from Leeds (Wellington), hauled by one of Mr Johnson's slim boilered 4-4-0's of the 1757 (?) class. Our railway room has been pretty uncomfortable over the spell of cold weather, and my cranky joints have strongly objected to it, so very little has been done, either operationally or on locomotive construction, and while the wintery weather lasts, there will not be much news from this part of the Midland Railway. However, I will keep up with your doings via RMW. I seem to have mixed up the order of the pics again. Derek

Yes, we must beware of North Eastern drivers

Thank you for that bit of info, Crimson Rambler. Yes, one or two little niggles had ocurred, and I never take drawings at face value. I always try to match up the drawing with photographs, and, as I have said previously, I cannot guarantee exact accuracy, there will always be something that crops up when the thing is finished and painted. But, if it looks right I will be happy. Derek

Just found this thread. What superb modelling of buildings and all that goes with them. So very well done, the end product will be something to see. Derek

Excellent stuff Al. I really like your latest layout. Derek

Coming on very nicely Al. Filling in the gaps with cork has paid off. Derek

Yes, there are some stated dimensions on the drawing. What I did was to use the coupled wheelbase on the “x” axis, and the height of the buffers from the rail, and the height from the rail to the top of the chimney as “y” axis. What happened in the original print I have no idea, but the one I am using now seems fairly accurate.Further views of the end on from the front and the back are dimensioned, and once again, they ‘fit in’ with the new drawing, for example the width of the footplate. I cannot vouch that the final model made from this drawing, will be 100% accurate, but it will look right when compared with photos, because, if not, it goes into the bin. Derek

Very nice too, one of the threads I look for when I open RMW. Derek

Yes, you are right Lez. I guess the slight shrinkage took place in my copying the drawing, however, I am now using the proper sized drawing, so construction can go ahead as planned. Derek

Thanks for that Lez, the drawing I am using is from that book. The drawing is not quite 4m I wonder if the discrepancy arose when the publishers wanted it on a page with a border, so squeezed the drawing slightly. Anyway, I only needed a slight increase in print size to bring the drawing to 4mm, that is giving the coupled wheelbase 34mm.Derek

I was going to do exactly that Tim, but I pressed on with the cutting out of parts and forgot to take photos. The drawing I have is not to 4mm scale, so I scanned it and printed out slightly enlarged so that the well known dimensions such as the coupled wheelbase (8’6”) came out at 34mm on the drawing.The mistake I made was to use an original print out which was not to 4mm scale. I got on quite well until something did not seem quite right, and on checking found that the bits I had made were wrong, double doh!! I must be losing it. So I have had to redo it. Measure twice and cut once is not a bad principle. But, it is a pretty simple engine to build with no real features to cause sleepless nights. At the moment however, it is a bit cold in my railway room, so I am staying in the warm parts of the house. When I get going again, I will take some pics to try and show the construction. Derek

Thank you for that Martin. Really there is not much left at Kirkby Malham that I haven’t shown, and any more photos will be of stuff seen before. I am, however, building a loco from scratch, as a way of a change. It is one of the 1808 class, a Johnson designed slim boilered 4-4-0 of the mid 1880 vintage. I don’t really need another small passenger engine, the Kirkby Malham timetable is not so intense, but I enjoy a bit of loco building although with my arthritis playing up, I am finding this sort of job much slower than it used to be. I keep telling the young folks round about here, not to grow old. All you get for it is a bus pass, and I never use mine. Derek

Looks like hard work Al Derek

Please post some pictures David, something like that is right up my street, so to speak. The main thing wrong with the propriety 3F is that it has a belpaire firebox so it is out of my modelling period. Derek

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Would you like my Kirtley as a banker Paul. Derek

Yes you are right, the idea was to use water hammer to get a proportion of the water’up hill’. My water undertaking had one that went on forever supplying drinking water from a very clean stream to a small community. All that was needed was to add a small measured quantity of chlorine as a precaution. The water was tested for quality pretty frequently.Derek

I find facts like that fascinating. For a time I looked into our family history. That also was fascinating especially the less than savoury bits. It took too much time from my model railway activities, so have not done any for years.Derek

I have been told that Stroudley was colour blind, hence the name of ‘improved engine green’ for yellow locos. Seems plausible

Now, why do you think that a Highland Railway Jones Goods engine in the short lived Stroudley livery of 1894, should be pulling a Bradford (Market Street) to Kirkby Malham stopper in 1908, right in the heart of Midland territory? Many years ago, seems like 150 now, in the 1970s we spent a great deal of time on pleasant weekends camping in the Yorkshire Dales. For our annual holiday, we toured Scotland, again camping. One of our favourite areas was on the north east coast at Dornoch. During our visits we kept coming across long abandoned track bed and the remains of stone bridges crossing the many streams. The station building was still standing in Dornoch but put to other uses. We were, of course, in the area served by the Highland Railway. Olga became quite interested in the railway, and when we saw a postcard of the Jones Goods in the 'improved engine green' livery she was hooked. We did consider building a small HR branch terminus, but that never materialized. During a visit to the Newcastle show, we bought a part built kit of the Jones goods. It was being built to 00 gauge, but I rather think problems occurred on curved track, with the outside cylinders interfering with the bogie swing. It had been well assembled and the bodywork took very little effort to complete. However, I threw the main frames (chassis) away and built one to EM gauge standards. The middle driving wheels were flangeless as on the full sized engine, but the bogie had to be modified. The bogie frame was cut in to two pieces, and the second bogie axle runs in vertical slots with sideplay restricted so that the wheels would not touch the cylinders. The leading bogie axle is actually a pony truck and pivoted as far back as it was possible. The engine could be seen regularly on our Canal Road layout, where some of the curves were down to well below 3' radius. When it came to finishing off, I intended to paint it LMS plain black, or Highland Railway sea green, but oh no! Olga insisted on yellow as in the photographs of the preserved example. According to J.A.N.Maskelyne, one time editor of Model Railway News, the first two or three of these engines sported this livery, but only for a few months in the 1890s, before reverting to the dark green. The lining out took forever. We had visited the Railway museum in York to photograph the Stroudley livery and try to match up the base paint colour. I have to admit now, that this engine lives most of the time in a box. It will not fit on the Kirkby Malham turn table, but I do enjoy giving it a run now and again. Although the engine runs well, the motor will. perhaps, be replaced at some point in the future, it is certainly 1970s technology. If I were starting my modelling career again and wished for a change, I think I would consider the Highland Railway. It operated some very attractive locomotives, and the Jones Goods was the first 4-6-0 wheel arrangement in Britain. Finally, may I wish all RMWebbers, wherever they may be, and whatever they are modelling, a very Happy and productive New Year Derek