Penrhos1920

On 16/08/2023 at 11:16, Jim Martin said:

I do know that the Great Central standardised on 60' length when it started building the Robinson matchboard carriages in 1911*, but built a number of 56' carriages to the same general outline specifically for through working to Bournemouth over the GWR (presumably not where the clearance issues were found) and LSWR.

 

Jim

 

* Okay, they built 60' matchboarded coaches in 1910, but I don't think you could say that the Barnums represented any kind of standardisation 

Thats interesting because the GWR built 4 58’ coaches specifically for the Bournemouth service in 1898.  8’6 wide with guards lookouts at the end which made them 9’ wide.

14 hours ago, Tom Burnham said:

It also mentions that the GWR provided the stock for the Middle Circle service (Faringdon to Mansion House via theHammersmith & City and Kensington Addison Road), but doesn't give details.

I’ve written a bit about those coaches on my GWR coaches website under Dean Coaches > London Metropolitan Designs.

9 hours ago, ChrisN said:

I know that in the late 19th century the GWR asked what was the Cambrian's loading gauge and if they could send a certain coach through a certain tunnel.

 

At the Board meeting those who should have known did not, so they took the coach, or something very similar, through the tunnel very slowly to see if it got stuck.

In the 1927 Alterations & Additions to the GA there’s this note

  “coaching stock running between Dovey Junction & Aberdovey must not exceed 60’ in length and 9’ in width “, which effectively ruled out most of Churchward and Collett coaches as those are maximum coach dimensions over handles and buffers.

8 hours ago, ChrisN said:

Was there a big capacity difference between 57 ft and 56ft?  Would the guard have been sacked if he could only get a 56 instead of a 57?

For the all third designs absolutely zilch.  The 56’ coaches had smaller toilets!

 In the 1936 appendix, the GWR had a list of LMS lines that could accept 63’ 6.5” long by 9’3” wide stock.  The same stock couldn’t travel over LNER or SR routes.  Similarly there’s a longer list for 60’ x 9’ stock over LNER, LMS & SR.  The dimensions of coaches permitted over ex SE&CR & LB&SCR routes basically only allowed Dean coaches up to 50’ long and nothing more modern.  I guess that there weren’t any through coaches on those routes!

At the turn of the century what was the maximum length and width of a carriage that could run from one company to another?  In the last few years of the 19th century carriages grew rapidly in size.  In 1908 the GWR ordered two lots of carriages that were almost identical except that the first lot was 56’ and the second was 57’ long.  As far as I’m aware no one has discovered why.  It has occurred to me that some companies might not permit the longer carriages.  Even as late as 1936 60’ carriages were not permitted over a good few lines.

On 10/08/2023 at 16:00, Harlequin said:

Nice to see the square front drop running plate variation. 

 

Definitely.  I’d like to have either 3119, 3129 or 3140, all are known to have made it to Penrhos when they were lent to the Barry in 1920.

Comparing photos of the Dapol sample to photos of 3131 & 3146 there are some errors.   The bunker is too big; it’s still the 5101 bunker which had a deeper rear overhang and different shape coal space.  The chimney shouldn’t have a copper top.  

Have they changed the roof to the higher arch?, I’m not convinced.

If these get corrected then I’ll be buying one, but if not then I’ll hold out and hope that Hornby do a better job.

On 01/06/2023 at 06:33, RosiesBoss said:

1358 – ex-Pt Talbot Railway 0-8-2T – scratchbuilt body on modified H0 chassis

What’s chassis please?  I’ve got a body that needs one.

51 minutes ago, James Hilton said:

Thank you David - and all who continue to sing the praises of their models. It certainly has made the whole experience more worthwhile! Things are moving along slowly in the background on new stuff, but we're not in a position to share anymore yet. In the meantime, all liveries are still available from Light Railway Stores: https://www.lightrailwaystores.co.uk/collections/planet-industrials

 

 

Is there any news on ADR numberplates for the Victory?

There's some excellent work here.  I've not been around for a while so I'm only just starting to catch up.  Not wanting to throw the cat among the pigeons, but you do realise that there were 2 versions of the Dean 8'6 bogie?  Up until about 1896, possibly September 1895, they appear to have had 6' springs which necessitated the outer ends of the springs being attached to the bogie frame by cast brackets attached the corner of the bogie frame.  It's possible that the changed occured when the 10' bogie was introduced.

By Hugh Llewelyn (edited by R Spratt), Dean 8'6 bogie on GWR Dean 45'6 Brake First Saloon No.8231, later 9055, Diagram G31, Lot 804 built at Swindon 1896.  At Blaenavon, P&BR, 09/11. Uploaded by Oxyman, CC BY-SA 2.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0>, via Wikimedia Commons

Part of GWR drawing 10573, 52'-0" underframe, March 1893, superceded September 1895 - see the carriage shed on GWRCoaches.org.uk for the full drawing

Which FDM plastic is easiest to sand please?  I read someone comment that PLA was difficult to sand smooth and I know from experience that Shapeways WSF, or whatever they call it now, is nigh on impossible to sand.

Do 16.4 b2b EM wheels work?

16 hours ago, Mikkel said:

Rare birds in model form, they look good. Even in unlined condition I'd say any well-built model of an RR coach is of significant interest. Seven is a feast!

 

It's also nice to see that some of Trevor Charlton's sides still appear now and then.

I wish more TC sides would appear more often as I’d like to make a rake of Rhymney coaches just like @corneliuslundie

2 hours ago, 33C said:

Yep, motor knackered. Order a couple from Amazon, 3 weeks from China, but at a fraction of the price of Hornby. Direct replacements, and the more you buy, the cheaper they get! I bought a lot for loco's and Scalextric cars and it worked out at £1.05 each...tip, buy double shaft type. That way you can mount them right way round, the terminals will be where you want them and you can refit fly wheels.

Could you post a link please 

On 11/08/2022 at 00:54, Physicsman said:

Shaun, if you'd asked if I'd looked at Uranus....

I think you you need a colon after that.

In general all GWR coaches had a foot step for the guard a couple of feet off the ground so that he could get on/off when not at a platform.  A couple of supersize images here:  http://www.gwrcoaches.org.uk/1930taper.shtml#E140

I need to go and correct my website after I’ve been to Bernard Castle.   It’s Brecon & Merthyr, not Barry.  Built as a 5 compartment third in 1894 by Metro C & W.  Taken out of revenue stock in 1924 and converted to a Mess & Tool Van for the Engineering Dept, renumbered 80948.  Condemned at Shrewsbury in 1971.  So it had a much longer life in departmental service than revenue service!

14 hours ago, Mikkel said:

 

Yes good point, the aim was to do one of those "mixed bag" trains typical of the GWR.

 

Source: Getty Images, embedding permitted. No date.

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Are you referring to the mixed bag train in platform 5?  There’s something with a very flat roof.  It appears to be have been absorbed into GWR stock, so I’d say the photo is post 1923.

When was red lamp and  a white lamp introduced for shunting locos?

19 hours ago, Wayne Kinney said:

Hi Guys,

 

The 00 Gauge 1in7 Single Slip kit is finally up:

https://www.britishfinescale.com/product-p/finetrax-00-1in7-singleslip.htm

 

 

Just finishing off wiring diagram for intructions now. Onwards and upwards :)

 

Tasty....   If only it was 1 in 6 I'd bite your hand off.

Will there be 1 in 6 diamonds and slips available soon?

As I understand it the LNWR had running powers over the Rhymney Railway and they had their own goods depot in Cardiff docks.  Where the running powers limited to only through goods trains?  Were they allowed to drop off or pick up wagons on the way?  What motive power was used post WW1?

2 hours ago, 4901 said:

I live in Utah, USA and this morning a "pest" control person came to the front door and said he was working on pest control in the area.  He tried to sell his monthly eradication services and I told him we didn't have any problems.  He then said there is an earwig in the flowers by the front door.  I said we don't have problems with insects - they are important for the environment.  He looked at me as though I was mad.  He left.

So you didn’t say that the only pest you needed controlling was right in front of you?

Here’s a bit of wildlife from my garden that I don’t recognise.

On 03/07/2022 at 06:39, AndyB said:

I'm wondering if anyone knows what this flower might be? 

I was trying to bring a bit of order to a neglected lawn recently and there were a patch of them. 

 

We call it hawkweed.

Think that one of the v-hangers for the brake handles should be moved since the longitudinal rod is offset to one side:

16 hours ago, wagonbasher said:

can I assume that we are talking 4mm / foot ?

 

what period are you thinking or doesn’t that matter?

 

Andy

yes 4mm,  1915 - 1925ish

thanks

I’m thinking of building some South Wales trams to go with my South Wales railways.  But where do I start?  Cardiff appears to have had the bigger system but as far as I can see there is only one kit for a Cardiff tram.  On the other hand there’s kit for at least 80% of the Newport fleet; although it appears that some of the earlier trams were rebuilt with enclosed top decks at some point.

But I’d prefer to model Cardiff trams as they fit better with my existing modelling.  Does anyone know of other Cardiff tram kits or kits that can be altered to suit?