Penrhos1920

In 1935 the GWR only had 70 8 compartment firsts. They were to diagrams A9, A10, A12, A13 and A15. All corridor toplights. The only 9 compartment corridor thirds were Dreadnoughts to diagram C24. There were numerous 9 compartment non-corridor thirds but most were allocated outside London, eg South Wales and Birmingham. But there were some C43s, C63s and C66s. The only 6 compartment brake thirds are non-corridor and as @Miss Prismsays there are numerous options, too many to contemplate!

The coaches in that photo are E51 and T38. Page 93 gives examples of coaches used on many branches but you still have to decide which 4 wheel brake third or bogie composite etc you will use. The link in my signature will help you with that. The book fails to mention that on certain days there will be additional coaches. On the Pontypridd to Newport service in 1911 the normal train of 4 4 wheel coaches was supplemented with between 1 and 3 third class 4 wheel thirds on market days. Then when the usual rake was undergoing maintenance anything that was available would have been used provided it had roughly the right number of 1st and 3rd class compartments and van space. My my guess is that that photo is a day when the usual coaches can’t be used. It has 10 off 3rd class and 2 off third class compartments and 2 off small van areas. That’s similar to 2x T34 & 1x U4, assuming 2nd class has been abolished which it mostly was in 1907.

On the centre line of the coach, approximately in the middle of the lookouts. There are several drawings of similar coaches here http://penrhos.me.uk/LowRoofs.shtml

Thanks for the update, good to hear that you are progressing. Have you got any design guidelines similar to imaterilise and Shapeways?

The photo is probably post WWI as the loco was built in 1916. I thought the few gas lit toplights were sold to the War Office for ambulance trains. So I doubt it’s a gas pipe.

Another photo. This one looks like a 4 compartment Bars I toplight brake third, D45, 46 or 47. But there appears to be an additional water tank in the middle of the coach.

The problem is is that we’re all atypical modellers. There’s such a diverse range of topics we model, scales, eras that nothing is typical. If you could determine the modelling of a typical modeller you’d then find that no one Models it!

I think that the Dapol corridor toplights will be the later all steel coaches as these remained mostly unchanged in later life compared to the wood panelled coaches.

Are there sprung?

@Compound2632 I think you’ve got your 2s and 4s mixed up. 244 was renumbered 6244 in 1907/8, was converted to camp coach 9984 in March 1934, was again converted this time to a departmental coach in April 1956.

Well I now need a new hat !! .....and a small metro tank.

I’d like these panniers, neither are in your list.

Here's a picture of a D43 with flat bar truss. The twists must be right tight to the solebars and not in the middle. Part of REAL photo 334. I have another photo of a D43 with a E80/81 next to it. Both have flat bars and invisible twists.

By 1941 Cardiff had a small breakdown train comprising Pilot Vans numbers 37, 38, 110 and 117. Sorry I can't do much for the match truck except suggest you look at the build dates in Tourett and select one that matches the purchase date for the crane. 37 was an ex iron mink number 47266 originaly built in 1889 and converted in 1941 as a Temporary Breakdown Van and painted brown, condemned 1958 38 was also an ex iron mink, number 57411 originally built in 1893 and converted in 1941 as a Temporary Breakdown Van 110 was a purpose built Pilot Van 31' long x 8' wide and 7'2 tall. It was one large compartment, sliding door each side, max weight including tare 19 tons 10 cwts (tare 11t 10cwt when built 13t 4cwt by 1941 - it appears that even rolling stock puts on weight as it gets into old age!). It was a 6 wheeler, 19' wheelbase with 6' long springs. Gas lighting and steam heating fitted in 1920. Painted brown in 1941. Condemned at Cardiff in 1957 117 was a purpose built (in 1904) Pilot Van 27'9 long x 8' wide and 7'2 tall. I think it had 3 compartments for Officals, Workmen and Guard, max weight including tare 15 tons (tare was 10t 6cwt). Gas lighting and steam heating fitted in 1920. Also painted brown in 1941. In was photographed at Machynlleth in 1960 see https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrdeptcoach

That must have been the only brick building ever built in Bradford. When I was a lad living in Bradford I don't remember a single brick in any of the pre 1960s buildings; not even for the cheapest houses.

A heads up for anyone who wants a model of the brake van a couple of posts back. You can buy a 3d printed one from my shapeways shop. Both the before and after 'accident' versions are available in OO, I can also do it in 7mm at a similar price to the other 7mm brake vans.

As per the BR advertising slogan of the 70s: “we’re getting there!” ...slowly! The C4 etch needs a major redraw. Doing the test build I found out that the well is all wrong. Fortunately I ordered a 2 test etches so I’m now building the second one with some scratch parts so that I can be sure of the changes required to the etch. Then it will be back to the computer to redraw it.

You wait. They become very addictive. Soon you’ll have one of each class of GWR and LNWR 4-6-0. By the way, my addiction is GWR wagons, I’m getting close to one of each design! Well that until you find out that there were 9 varieties of V12 van.

Thanks folks. STL now fixed. 3Dbuilder first followed by importing back into blender to find the residual errors. If I skip the 3dbuilder step blender shows that its own STL file has 100s of errors! In this case the error was several inside faces. I find it hard to understand why blender creates a file with so many errors. I’ve looked at STLs made with autocad and they are faultless. Years ago autocad used to require you to union all the parts you were exporting before creating the STL but now it usually does it all by itself. I guess that’s the difference between software created by a company or open-source.

Lloyd, much more detailed than my attempt at creating a reverse index for the running numbers given in Tourett in the 1980s using a BBC Micro. It since been converted to excel along with a reverse index for the coaches in Harris and it's attached here. I hope someone finds it useful. All GWR Wagons.xlsx

So I'm new to Blender having had to stop using autocad as I no longer have a license through work. I've uploaded my first STL to Shapeways and this is what 3D Builder thinks the STL is: and this is what Shapeways makes of the STL: Notice the missing planks on the doors. What's going on? How do I get the planks to appear? This is after using 3D Builder to repair the mesh as it was incorrectly defined by Blender !!

Thanks Tony, does it give the GWR numbers for both of them?

Does anyone know anything about this brake van please? I believe it is ex Barry Railway but there are no records of any Barry brake vans going to LMR. There were 61 Barry brake vans of this design; all but one of this design were taken into GWR stock and withdrawn in the 1920s. Looking at what is in the background I think the photo is post 1945.

Do I sense that a Hornby autocoach cut-n-shut is about to appear?

I think this topic should be in the jokes forum