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A BIG thank you to everyone for your suggestions and finding the right location. I will be including it in my Eastern Region book.....which I had just finished scanning the photos in for......one more won’t hurt.......and I’ll include a thank you for finding the location in the caption.

 

You can all go and have a well deserved lie down!

Just shows how much has changed in the period......and Hackney Wick station didn’t exist before 1980 either.

Hi Andy,

 

If this is Hackney Wick (and I'm now pretty sure it is), the bridge the train is crossing (at the ends of the platform) is the bridge over the River Lea Navigation - which is to the east of Hackney Wick station. Therefore Stratford is behind the camera and we are looking west (towards Dalston), not east.

 

Regards, Ian.

So we are looking West towards Hackney Wick. The 25mph PSR no longer exists then, as the curve has been eased?

The Harwich to Manchester, later Glasgow and Edinburgh got diverted via Watford from 1986 I think... but had been formed of aircon stock from the early 80,s.

I agree it could be a diversion 1986 for the Norwich electrification being completed so fits the 84-87 timeframe.

Interesting, NLR was flagged up last week on another forum and I couldn’t consolidate the details to Hackney Wick at the time.

However this does look a good bet, third rail gone, factory to the left still there but missing the extractors, bridges and station building etc and the shortish platform. The only thing is the curve behind the train looks much more severe in the picture, but this is probably an illusion.

Train also makes sense as a Liverpool Street to Cambridge / Kings Lynn service or a Norwich working. class 47 early Mk2s and an RMB......but how did it get to Liverpool St from there, no route. So we could be looking at an excursion or a train diverted into Kings Cross?

To précis the view we are looking east towards Stratford.

Traweling through my London Rail Atlas there is no access to any other London terminal at this point and very limited northbound routes. You can access to WCML at Primrose Hill and you can access the ECML via Kentish Town West and Harringay Jct. Maybe Liverpool st to Cambridge diversion via the ECML?

Interesting, NLR was flagged up last week on another forum and I couldn’t consolidate the details to Hackney Wick at the time.

 

However this does look a good bet, third rail gone, factory to the left still there but missing the extractors, bridges and station building etc and the shortish platform. The only thing is the curve behind the train looks much more severe in the picture, but this is probably an illusion.

 

Train also makes sense as a Liverpool Street to Cambridge / Kings Lynn service or a Norwich working. class 47 early Mk2s and an RMB......but how did it get to Liverpool St from there, no route. So we could be looking at an excursion or a train diverted into Kings Cross?

 

To précis the view we are looking east towards Stratford.

Maybe it’s more above the high seas rather than on it!

Just wish they would give us an additional SR EMU. Something I can run with my 4 CEPS. 2 HAP or 4TC would be perfect. Wishlisting ends...........

I’m building a 4TC in n gauge from Farish Blue Ribband Mk1s you might be interested in the method. Link below.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/75679-kensington-olympia-in-n-scale/?p=3173728

Not much progress with the 4TC this week but I have managed to add the dampers to the bogies to make them more like B5,s....well when I say dampers it’s a bit of plastic rod. I’ve also started to make some horns from plastic road and filler as the only brass ones I’ve found don’t look suitable.

 

Finished scanning the pictures in for the third of my books today, this is the Eastern Region. This will give me some breathing space as it doesn’t need to be with the publishers until November. About 150 out of 190 captions written too.

To think slightly laterally, what route would a North West to South East and return train take around London? (Assuming of course that is what it is).

I only know how the Sheffield to SR trains such as Merrymakers did it, from the back of Clapham Junction to somewhere on one of the main lines depending upon the eventual destination.

Maybe if the posssible route can be identified then the station might be easier to find?

 

Mike.

I’ve tried that approach but I might have missed something.

The cross London routes are

Kensington Olympia, no intermediate stations until the last few years...and not electrified until later. from Longhedge Jct routes on to all three SR divisions.

Brent to Barnes and also Reading to Clapham Jct via Ascot.

You could include the North London Line to Richmond.

Have I missed anything?

I'm not at all convinced but it *might* be Eltham before the station was rebuilt and the A20 dual carriageway was built.

 

Eltham came up on my list fairly early on but the curve behind the station doesn’t exist. New Eltham had a CLASP building. The A20 may well have affected the track layout.

Just another thought.  There used to be a cross-country working that started (on Saturdays at least) at Reading and went to Dover in order to feed into the day's x-country working pattern.  I recall using this on I think the 2nd Network Day where you could go anywhere on NSE for a fiver (?).  Services were ram-packed on the early Network days but this effectively went against the flow, and then late morning coming back from Dover was after the main crush of people in Kent getting on the trains.  Having said that, this location doesn't seem to fit either!

The Reading to Dover train ran MX when it started from Portsmouth & Southsea, it’s booked route was via Slough and Olympia.

 

Well spotted Ian with the speed restriction sign looks like 25mph to me.

Just another thought.  There used to be a cross-country working that started (on Saturdays at least) at Reading and went to Dover in order to feed into the day's x-country working pattern.  I recall using this on I think the 2nd Network Day where you could go anywhere on NSE for a fiver (?).  Services were ram-packed on the early Network days but this effectively went against the flow, and then late morning coming back from Dover was after the main crush of people in Kent getting on the trains.  Having said that, this location doesn't seem to fit either!

The Reading to Dover train ran MX when it started from Portsmouth & Southsea it’s booked route was via Slough and Olympia.

There is definitely a tight right hand curve past the station.

Yes it could be an excursion, they didn’t often run with a buffet but not unknown. Early Mk2s were still front line stock in 1984 but again not unknown on excursions as I have a photo I took of a Gt Yarmouth to Brighton merrymaker class 37 and a full East Anglia set of early Mk2s.

Thanks Ian, much appreciated.

 

Don’t let that stop any other suggestions, guesses or bullseye!

There is every possibility it could be Southern.

CD allocated engines turned up all the time on workings from Bristol and Cardiff (Though its not a pompey cardiff train)      The line west of Bournemouth hadn't been electrified by then, so there's no point looking there.

 

Could it be in Kent?  boat train?

Indeed they did, I think it’s a Southern location and I think this is probably one of the Brighton cross country services, Kent didn’t start until May 1986 by which time the trains were mainly air conditioned Mk2s. It’s cerainly not Brighton mainline or diversionary routes, Crystal Palace, Tulse Hill etc. They did get diverted on occasion via Ascot but I can’t find a SWD location that’s similar.

The location cabinet does read C5/3.

 

Class47.co.uk is one of my most regularly used websites, I've been through the railtours on sixbellsjunction and pictures on Flickr etc, Railgenarchieve, The Bashing years etc......no joy.

Hi Andy,

 

Might not be too much of a help, but if you can zoom in and read the details on the equipment cabinet opposite the loco cab this might help to narrow down to a station and identify a possible location - the info usually relates to mileage.

 

Regards, Ian.

It is readable I’ll check, funnily I did think of listing that with the description. Off the top of my head it was C5/3 but I’ll confirm.

Help requested for this purchased Medium Format negative which is driving me nuts!

 

Its 47471 in third rail territory. The picture shows a station in the background that could be a CLASP type building with a modern footbridge. There is the hint of a rail over road bridge between the station and train and the track curves sharply right past the station with the track curving left by the photographer. 8 or 9 car Mk2 rake with what looks like a Mk1 RMB.

 

I can narrow the dates a bit as 47471 was named Nov 1982 got its headlight around Spring 1984 and then Intercity livery by August 1987. So 4/84 to 6/87ish.

 

A lot has changed in 30+ years but this is quite a distinctive location. I've spent ages on Google Maps following railway lines around. This looks SR to me but I've had some North London line suggestions too which haven't panned out. I don't think this is Merseyside.  Any suggestions gratefully received.

 

Email today to say the Cargowaggons are on the high seas....not long to wait now.

My tankers arrived last week, superb job. Looking forward to the Sturgeons.

Facelifted Volvo 240 series now available from RailNscale

https://railnscale.com/2018/09/01/volvo-240-series/

The 4TC after a quick squirt of Rail grey.....doesn't match the Farish paintwork very well. Looks like some work still required on the quarterlights.

 

 

 

 

 

The NEM bar couplers in place. It'll be interesting to see how this propels now.

Well UPS delivered a box from Shapeways safely today.

 

A pair of RailNscale Range Rovers.

 

 

A RailNscale Bedford Chevanne and a Reliant Robin from another maker.

 

Some NEM bar couplers for the 4TC.....I've fitted the middle length ones at present

 

Some buffers for the DTS coaches of the 4TC set. The Farish ones are too short with the cab end added and a little lightweight.

 

Finally some chimney pots in a couple of styles.

About 90% in colour (slides) plus some B&W ( medium format negatives).