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That is NRM's version of 'Electric Green', based on post-war 'Malachite'. IMO, It needs to be a tone or two darker and richer. BR(S) Emus carried this colour, or 'Malachite', until BR introduced their darker version in 1956/7/8. Being painted in this early BR Green, this unit would/should have had the early crest applied (the uni-cycling lion) to the DMBT, not the later roundel. Also, the 'S' prefix and suffix should be one space apart from the vehicle's number. Regards, Nit-Pickers Ltd. PLC.

I reckon Colin ought to re-name his workshop 'Newhaven Park Carriage and Wagon Works'. His output must be catching up with that of both Easleigh and Lancing, combined. p.s. I don't need m' coat, the sun's out !

Ah..., All is found ! I had a feeling I should have put my money on Dave's answer (post #86), Apologies Dave,....Top man. As a p.s., I've had a look for the missing photo(s) of 12795's u/f, but it's / they've gone AWOL....Next step...dig out the negatives. All the best, Frank.

I remember the question of the different trussing lengths / depths cropping up in Colin's previous builds. Making an educated guess, I would suggest that the different trussing on the motor coaches (longer Queen-posts, more closely spaced) vs. trailers was to compensate for the heavier equipment carried and the longer w/b motor bogies. All the best.

A few more u/frame pics, of dubious quality.(Eastleigh Works open days '88 & '93) All the best.

A pic showing the body skirt reinforcing strips on preserved unit 4732.

Hi Tigermoth, Er, I don't do glue! All the best, Colin Not after the Torrey Canyon / 4-COR disaster.

Hi Colin. If you go for the self-adhesive tape option, I found it easiest to cut thin strips when it was stuck down onto a sheet of thin steel / brass. Might be easier on a SUB, as no long strips are needed. All the best. Frank.

Re :- capping strips. I've tried to represent them on these (rather battered), Lam Models' Bulleid BCK, plasticard sides, by scribing a line approx 1mm. above the bottom edge. The vertical beading and horizontally, along the waist, covering the panel joints was done using 0.5mm. wide strips of brown, self-adhesive, parcel tape. Oops, I've just noticed it's the wrong roof !. By the way,the torpedo vents are from ABS. Cheers.

ISTR that any bridge over a highway with 16' - 6", or less, clearance, it was/is mandatory to have both advance road-side warning signs, and, on the bridge, the height restriction repeated, combined with the White limit lines (normally with a 10' spacing). Regards.

Beautiful modelling B&DB,......but,....that low bridge needs a 'Max. Headroom' warning. Cheers.

Many thanks JD. for your offer. Preferably, Colin can put these to better use, than I. I'm pretty sure that those are from Roxey Mouldings, IIRC. I know I've got, at least, a couple of these etches, somewhere ?. I was hoping to feature them on this topic....but. failed... They're also included in their 2-NOL & 3-SUB Kits, both in 4mm. & 7mm. scale. http://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/category/17/4mm-scale-sr-electric-units-/ http://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/category/61/7mm-scale-sr-electric-units/ Thanks again, All the best, Frank.

I agree,...a Roxey Mouldings' accessory*,...Always there when you need them. A Purveyor of expert, scale, reproductions of odd-ball models, including Southern electrics. * I've got a couple of these etches tucked away,...somewhere ?...ready to fit Hornby's 2-BILs...but, they're never there,... when I need them. Cheers, Frank.

Thanks for the plug and re-sizing tip Colin. Is that the photo-paper version of the headcode in post # 294's pic. ? I might alter the stencils' art(?)work webbing thickness to cater for the over-thickness when reduced to scale...Needs some experimentation ! Your mods / improvements to this model have, certainly, produced another 'Good looker', although I am surprised at how many inaccuracies it's shown up on the Hornby effort. They do seem to be finding it difficult to throw off their rush-job, toy-like approach (those battleship rivets !) to some models (Emus in particular). Thanks for sharing and showing how it's done. All the best, Frank.

Swathling. Ex-L&SWR. Built 1883. A Southampton suburban station, between St. Denys and Southampton Airport (Parkway). Like St. Denys the mainline, at this point, is paralleled, in the Up direction, by a main road and the station's footbridge provides access to both sides of the road and railway. ... A Grade 2 Listed station with one or two quirky features. Walking around the station's main building's RH side, to reach the Down platform. The Ticket Office is only open week-day mornings. Looking across the tracks, southwards, from the Up platform. Back to the Down platform, looking north. Approaching the Footbridge.....but,.. what is this ?,...betwixt platform and footbridge ?..... A theme after my own heart....A Wildlife Garden !... ....Does anyone remember Chris Bains ? On the footbridge and looking across to recent additions.....Which looks the longer lasting ?.....I wonder... Looking North, with 158888 on a Southampton - Salisbury all-stations. Looking across, from the footbridge. Now, this is where the quirkyness begins. You may have noticed from the photos that there is very little behind the Up platform's shelter, other than trees. so, where would these doors lead in to ?, and where would these windows look out of ? A false front ?, or a missing rear ? Back,... to the Down platform's shelter and the main building, which are connected by a short, covered passageway. The passageway's access to the platform. One might suppose, noting that the footbridge is set back, that this is was a left-over from an earlier down loop, but this L&SWR era photo proves otherwise. http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8046/8382082642_eb6da75c55.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertfish/8382082642/&h=323&w=500&sz=62&tbnid=1CCvIhVoGEV3LM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=139&zoom=1&usg=__qwf4ndqlkqZifTDTYxMMwyAhCJc=&docid=V3qAq6zNgIP6nM&itg=1&sa=X&ei=7vsHUpuKJav24QSfnYDoCw&sqi=2&ved=0CEEQ9QEwBQ&dur=466 Carrying on, around the south side of the main building,...more false ? windows, on the south facing wall. alongside another access to both platform and footbridge. And, on the front facade... With this parting shot, Gentlemen, I bid you Goodnight.

Hi Colin. Just getting back on-stream here, and I might be somewhat late with these. I don't know whether you have seen these cab front shots of the preserved 2-BIL 2090 before ?. In comparison with views of some other Emus, the BIL's front end does appear slightly flatter I think Hornby's interpretation of the drain down-pipes add to this impression. See what you think. On loco-hauled Maunsell & Bulleid coaches the extent of the Bow-end, from Body corners to End panel would be 6". The BIL front ends have large radiused corners, Possibly, part of the 6" bow was taken from the mid-point of this radius.?.....As always, I could be wrong. All the same Colin, Great Modelling. Many, many thanks All the Best, Frank

As always, a great set of prints Dave. Many thanks.... I'm guessing here, but do these, show 2090 just after retirement from active service ?. After looking through Dave's, and other 2-BIL roof-top photos, it appears that the spacing of the vents (longitudinally) is more regular on the prototype, than on Hornby's model...... .....I could be wrong tho'. Cheers.

Hi Howard. This pic,, also by Robert Carroll, shows a later unit with the DTC, again, nearest camera. You can just about see the subtle difference These vents being on, or near, the roofs' centre line http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/5934429687/in/set-72157603648747922/ P.S. It looks like the southernrailway.net site has gone down. That is a shame, as there were some great b/w shots on there. All the best, Frank.

Hi Colin. In all the pics I've seen (very few), the tank filler pipes do follow a series of right angles at roof level, on both cars, as the Brighton / Flickr pic shows. Both Nick Campling's and Skinley drawings show only one filler pipe per car, as do the Phoenix kit's 2-BIL instruction sheets. The second pipe being a later mod, methinks. These side on pics may help. You may have also noticed that the lavs'. mushroom vents are missing from the Hornby model ! (Don't go in there !!) All the best, Frank.

Re :- Vents I've come to the conclusion that there were, at least, two different layouts used for different batches. I made an attempt to clarify my observations in post #302 of the Hornby 2-BIL thread. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/65633-Hornby-2-bil/page-13

Thanks Mike. New Street... Makes me wonder where else these got to, and where the public were invited in. I was, previously, under the impression that this set was for use by 'Staff Only', within the S.R. / S.Region. These pics show how wrong I can be. Cheers.

Many thanks for putting me right, Natalie , regarding the ex SR Cinema coach and Generating van Apologies for my jumping the gun. These pics, courtesy of model-railways-live / flickr, of the real mcoy, at Euston ?, show the pair in decidedly ? Blue / Grey with White dividing line. http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/userfiles/image/News/marc_models_cinema_coach_gen_van_1a.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/News/360/Marc_Models_launch_SR_and_BR_Cinema_Coach_and_Generator_Van&h=474&w=784&sz=110&tbnid=FrfXMTrtMgTIbM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=147&zoom=1&usg=__2EA7UoqxryNtB6IUlNHjkK3GLpk=&docid=cJbdC4EACG4l8M&sa=X&ei=Ez_RUZ7zB6Ow4QSDgIE4&ved=0CDQQ9QEwAQ&dur=456 https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/userfiles/image/News/marc_models_cinema_coach_gen_van_2.jpg

Looking at the photo of 34034, the first coach behind appears to be a Gresley, possibly a 'Full Brake' / BG ?. The colour, pictured, is reminiscent of 'Teak' but it must be Maroon or still (I doubt it) Crimson ?. I remember, on several occasions, that such a vehicle would be stabled in the Up bay at the western end of the station. Regards.

Hello John. Many thanks for the superb photos, and please express my gratitude to David, on behalf of the Group. The photo of 34034 is very evocative, with the crowd gathered on the footpath. It brings back, many, long remembered, mid 1960s departures, viewed from the same spot, At the time, we lived just a mile away and I used to take my Son, in his pushchair, to catch the last glimpses of real steam power. The sight and sound of such a 'monster', belching smoke and hissing steam, with wheels spinning and sparking like Catherine wheels, has stayed with him (and me) to this very day...... My son is now a Driver for SWT, so I reckon I didn't do him any harm. The panoramic shot of the Post Office Sorting Office building will prove to be very useful, as in the majority of photos it is either shrouded in loco exhaust or incomplete. David's photos are duly downloaded and e-mailed to the Group, with full acknowledgements / copyright status. Again, Many thanks and Best wishes to you both, Frank.

Many thanks Jon. As you can see, the group are trying to re-create those 'Blue, (or should it be Green ?) remembered, moments'. Work is progressing, and as soon as I receive more pictures and/or news, this will be my first port of call. Kindest regards, Frank.