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Hi Dapol Dave. Re :- Front end Cowl & Deflectors. Have a look at these pictures*. http://www.semgonlin...team/blp02.html You''ll notice that the cowl has a flatter top to it and doesn't follow the radius of the top of the boiler cladding. Also, the smoke deflectors did vary. When viewed head-on. they ranged from near flat, to the pronounced curvature shown in your Cadcam view. As noted elsewhere, there are, also, the differing lengths to contend with, depending on loco and era. *I'll have a look out for a decent frontal shot. If found, I'll edit in the link. Regards. * Edit :- One head-on shot found, can be seen be seen by scrolling down, approx / nearly 1/2 way, on this page of David Heys' excellent website.. http://www.davidheys....com/page13.htm. All the best, Frank.

References to hand, back up your dimensions, Gerry. 8' - 2" max. body width, at top of buffer beam level, with a slight turn-under to sole-bar. This is shown tapering to 7' -10 1/4" at cant rail level. Also shown, is, 8' - 8" over footsteps. So, a 'Nadger's' should be approx. 2mm. in OO, or 1mm. each side. Welsh 'Nadgers' look to be slightly larger than a Southern 'Gnat's Goolies', or is this, just wishful thinking ?. Regards, Frank.

Many thanks for those cad images Dave. It' s hard to tell, for sure, from the head on pic., but, I think the front / sides should have a very slight taper in, from solebar, to the the roof. Also, comparing with Godfrey Glyn's photo and a... (Ahem..Cough !) Lima 73, the bogie width & steps look to be decidedly chunky. I.e. Out of guage. I wouldn't like to see it riding up any platform ramp. Regards, Frank

Hi Shortliner. Now, there's a funny thing,... talk about coincidences. I used to deliver your proverbial 'Eastmans' package to an address in Carlton Road. Can't remember the number. Somewhere halfway along, on the RH side, from Southcote Rd. ISTR .And Saturday morning, at the Odeon...late 1940s... Yep, I was there.... Used to call in for my mate Geoff, in Portchester.Rd, through a cut, have a quick look over the Central's up side railings, then, along the Holdenhurst Rd and cut through, around the back of the fire station, over the bomb site*, across the Christchurch Rd., and join the queue. The main news feature, as I remember, was all 'Brumas the Bear' (The first Polar Bear cub to be born in London Zoo). I can still remember the sing-along..."B-R-U-M-A-S, That spells Brumas....."....follow the bouncing ball... Did you ever get presented with your 'Odeon' regulars badge ? Dear me. ..What days.... Thanks for the memories, Shortliner .*That must have been the bomb that hit the Metropole Hotel, in May 1943

A much delayed welcome to RMweb, Major's Batman. Please accept my apologies for not replying sooner. I must admit to getting somewhat confused regarding my descriptions of the buildings. Fading memories ? Many thanks for setting me straight with your extra information and photos. Duly noted and amended. Indeed, the building modelled is that of the Eldridge Pope depot. If viewed from the other side (using a mirror?) you'll see a hand painted headboard depicting 'Eldridge Pope, Huntsmsns Ales Members of the Group visited the Eldridge Pope warehouse in the late 1980s. In fact, the chap behind the desk, there, was, himself, a railway enthusiast. Maybe Dave Wells ?. They describe it as being constructed from pre-fabricated concrete. That's the impression I got from a passing train. The trackside facia and platform resembled that of a lengthened SR Provender store. The platform, itself, looked to be constructed from sections of those produced by SR's Exmouth Junction concrete works. Judging by maps and G.A. Pryer's & A.V. Paul's 'Track Layout Diagrams', the siding served two buildings. The other being 'Stonecrete' ? or 'Ferrocrete' ?. The layout diagram states 'Stonecrete'. I've checked in Kelly's, but neither are listed Your building date of 1948 ties in with this 1947 aerial photo, where the site looks to be under development. The two buildings are shown in this 2007 Google shot. Moving on to the 'Swifts' building, seen behind the trolleybus, in your photo (The Group have this pic. and plan to model this scene), I can remember the Green tiled top fascia of the frontage with it's Swift in the circular panel, but, can you remember the wording ? As a kid, I used to have a Saturday morning delivery job at 'Eastmans' the butchers, across the road, in the late 1950s. X marks the non-existent spot in this 1983 shot. 'Eastmans' were part of the Dewhurst chain and they also had a large cold store, in the jumble of buildings behind the shop. I recall a rep. (from Swifts ?) visiting the shop to check / maintain the scales. Were Swifts part of the American company ?, British 'Swift & Swallow' ? or 'Weddal Swift' ? A parting aerial shot of the station, pre-1928 extension, showing the Bournemouth 'A' box and both down-side bays. Again, many thanks Majors Batman and sorry for the late reply. Cheers, Frank.

Hello Jeff,.. I'm pleased to make your acquaintance. Now, to explain my position regarding the BCMRG's layout. I am merely the middle-man. I act, with their permission, to release up-dates onto this forum. I have nothing to do with the high standards of modelling displayed, although, I have kept in touch when times have demanded it. Recent phone calls have resulted in the following response regarding the layout's trees. Each tree is, individually, hand crafted, based on the Group's surveys of the area. Here's the gist...The basic method is to use telescopic brass tubing as the spine / trunk of the tree and adding / soldering the stripped wire core of an electric cable to the outside., leaving 2", or so, clear at it's base and where you need a branch sprouting. Once the shape has been sorted, the trunk / thick branches can be covered with tape (Masking, or somesuch) To give this armature support, and re moveability, a locating mount needs to be fabricated, depending on the trunk tube's diameter and where it's located, on the flat, or, on an embankment. This sketch might prove helpful. HTH Regards, Frank. P.S. The group may have to consider getting professional help with the 'Monkey Puzzle' trees. of which, there are quite a few in the area. Cheers

A belated Hello.... and my profound apologies to darren01, Physicsman and The Major's Batman, for not responding earlier. I try to put it down to my being easily distracted,... i.e...Easily Led (According to my school report\) Right...First things, first... Darren01, ..To model a station of this size, is one heck of a (long term) project. I gather you've got the space,.. but have you got the team, friends, back-up, to keep it progressing ?. i've still got my plans of a loft based layout, modelling the line, Westward, from the Central, including the Bourne Valley triangle's viaducts, into Bournemouth West. This was going to be a 'One Man Job'...But...as years went by, it sooner , or later...became clear that it was never going to happen. I've, since brought the B'm'th West section downstairs and that's what I'm working on. Let us know how you're getting on. Regards, Frank

The last remnants of the 1874 built, Bournemouth New Station's (West) Refreshment Room(s). Ex- Poole and Bournemouth Railway. This single storey frontage once faced the station. The eastern (LH) extremities were later incorporated into the Queens Hotel. (Now 'The Pig & Whistle') The western facade once had a gabled bay window, matching the entrance, with a semi-circular bow window on the end wall. As you can see, this section was rebuilt, some time later. The building contained, L to R, Bar / Bar Parlour / Dining Room / Refreshment Room. The two storey building, behind, the roof of which, can be just seen, is also part of the original structure. These rear views show the one-time Sitting Room / Kitchen / Scullery / Larder / Coal House / Yard & WC, with living accommodation upstairs. The view from the 'Pig and Whistle's Beer Garden. Some 1874 brickwork ? Edit....Oops....One pint, too many....Hic!.

Ian,...Keep Deb's, and Your key,.. in the ignition,.....Please. Don't know what else to say, Man... other than, .....Remember Her.

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Many Thanks for the link Rob F. Very soothing,... relaxing, even,... interspersed with moments of excitement ......Very much how I try to live my life. If the cam is in place for any length of time, I may well attempt to capture the screen for a desktop background / screensaver . Cheers, and thanks, again.

Adding to TomE's detailed comparisons, the angled , forward upward sweep of the firebox top, appears to be missing. This is, also, poorly represented on both the modified WC/BoB & MN, produced by Hornby, as is the width of top. ( End of Nitpickin') Cheers.

Quite so, Martin, Although, over the past months, several of my images / pics, posted on RMweb, only, have been hot-linked on to Google ?, with a link to this forum ? Can any one searching there, and downloading, say, EMU pics, access said image, without contacting RMweb, and asking for their permission ? I have noticed that Google, on here at least, are one of the most prominent members / users ?, judging by this forum's 'Users online'...... I'd be most interested to know, if Google have anything useful to contribute here, or are they merely trawling ? As you say, once anything is posted onto the wwweb, it is immediately 'common' knowledge, but, it would be good to get a little feedback from the outsiders,... occasionally. Cheers, Frank.

How can anything be annoying about modelling ?? Rants (I admit, I'm guilty),..re. rtr model discrepances,.. solid paint brushes,... blocked aerosol nozzles,...unfortunate paint finishes,...doubtful references / plans...differing opinions,...etc. It's all part of the fun,...Is it not ? As with anything you're involved with,... You've gotta play the cards you're dealt with.

For members of the SRLHCS forum, a comprehensive list of allocations for PP Sets 600-619, Nov.1959-Nov.1964, has been made available. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/SRLHCS/message/4817 Compiled by Brian Macdermott, (Of 2012 Wish-list poll fame) , Glen Woods and Chris Knowles-Thomas, it includes Section / Route allocations. Inaugural , transfer & withdrawal dates, plus photographic references. Well done, and many thanks to all concerned.

Chris H. Great photo. If it's Hornby, you didn't waste much time re-numbering the loco and adding the off-white corridor panels to the BCK. What number did you give the Set?. On the other hand......If it's......

More photographic referances to be found in :- Mike King's 'Illustrated History of Southern Coaches'. P116 - Sets 616 & 613 at Wareham, on the same day, also in Sept '64. Michael Welch's 'Southern Coaches in Colour'. Set 610 on a Railway Enthusiasts Club tour, at Sharnal Street (All Hallows branch), Kent, Sept.24th. 1960. Caption states that this set was based at Yeovil, for a time. Set 601 at Groombridge, Sussex, Nov. 11, 1961. Based at TWW. Set 613(Horns & Yellow stripe)+ P/P fitted SO, between Brockenhurst & Lymington Junc. 1964. Michael Harris's 'Southern Push-Pull Trains' chapter in 'Steam Days', Feb 2000. Set 610 at Westerham, Kent, May 27, 1961. Set 609 + P/P fitted SO, near Lymington Junc., July 27, 1963. Ivo Peters' 'Southern Steam Album' Set 604 at Bournemouth, April 1964. C. Hayward's drawings & scratch build article in MRC Nov. 1972. Set 608 at Yeovil Junc. 1961. There are, of course, numberous photos of these sets 'in action', but, in most cases, it's the loco that hogs the limelight, the set number being seldom shown. If I find any more, I'll add them to the list above. Regards.

But,... but,.. But.. (I'm butting in).... Mike D's pic. looks more like 'Scale 7'. All those locos have been, or are presently available, either in kit form, or in the growing 'O Guage' RTR market. Dunno 'bout those background buildings tho'

Aha !,..I'd'a though the P4 / EM Guys would have stepped in, afore now,.. but,.. as it 'appens,...yon, stewartingram is nearer the mark. 'Tis, in fact, 12" to 1', or P304.8. Here's the original. Cheers.

Re: 'Order cancelled' notifications I may be reading more into this, than I ought,...but... ....Is this Hornby's way of limiting supplies to the major 'box shifters' , and by doing so, guarantees the smaller retailer a fairer share of the market ?. Something along the lines of Bachmann's advice to retailers, earlier this year, with regard, not to discount more than 15% off RRP for a period of 8 weeks after their release of a new product. Reading between the lines, it appears, to me (only?), that the manufacturers are realising that they have to re-instore confidence among the small model shops... .Without which, we'll all have to shop at.......Hattons......Tescos.......Rails........Sainsburys.......?

For anybuddy in, or near, the Poole, Dorset area, Setchfields, 21-25 High Street, Poole, BH15 1AB, Tel. 01202 673300 had, at least two of each (R4534 / R3087) packs, yesterday. I don't think they offer mail-order service tho'. No e-mail or website either.

Certainly, a sad sight, jonhall,.. Even so,... many thanks for your photos. They do appear, though, to answer SRman's post #38, questioning the presence of inner-end buffers. The typical SR, oblong shanked, extendable, oval head type, are clearly shown. Mike King's 'Illustrated History of Southern Coaches' has these drawn as fitted, as does C. Hayward's modelled set, in the Nov.1972 MRC. To complement, here's this 1992 pic. of Maunsell SO No. S 1381 S, also at Swanage. Cheers.

Dog-clamps it is, I'm afraid. Looks like re-numbering could be in order ?

'OO', 'TT', 'N', 'Z' or 'T' ?

I've got a photo (somewhere) of an extra (Loose) SO, added to a Swanage Pull-Push set. As Graham has noted, the un-converted SOs were also used to augment various Restaurant Car sets. Regarding whistles, some, not all, had these replaced by cab-end, roof-mounted, air-horns. At about the same time, the BCKs had the Cream (Yellow ?) 1st.Class Designation stripe added.