Third-Rail EMU Photos

[phil_sutters]

They use selective door opening - but down trains at Newhaven Town park their back ends over the level crossing, while passengers alight from the front four coaches. Annoying, as there is already a long section from Southease for trains to travel before the crossing, which means the barriers close several minutes before the trains arrive.

[Colin parks]

They use selective door opening - but down trains at Newhaven Town park their back ends over the level crossing, while passengers alight from the front four coaches. Annoying, as there is already a long section from Southease for trains to travel before the crossing, which means the barriers close several minutes before the trains arrive.

Southern 377 404 blocking Newhaven Town level crossing 11 1 2014.jpg

Hi Phil,

 

Your excellent photo explains my football train question then.  Would such a move seem credible on a model railway layout at an exhibition?!

 

History is repeating itself at Newhaven to a degree with this strange arrangement of halting the train over the level crossing: occasionally, ballast trains used to trundle up through the town station and just when it seemed that the level crossing would open, the wagons would be shunted back into the sidings between the town and hrabour stations.  No wonder they built  flyover for the A 259, avoiding the tracks.

 

Anyway, my humble contribution to this thread is of a Class 377 at Seaford, which did feature rather obscurely in a kit-building thread some years back.  The date was not correctly set on my camera, but it was probably around 2006 or a bit later.

 

377 325 at Seaford station.

 

Some twenty minutes later, whilst taking photos of the infrastructure at Bishopstone station, this unit arrived.  Whether this was the unit seen at Seaford in the previous picture, en route to Brighton, or another unit en route to Seaford, I cannot remember.  Judging by the fact that some passengers appear to have left the train, it would have come from the Brighton direction (unless they had just caught the train at Seaford and travelled one stop up the line!)  Only caught the top of the vehicles, but interesting none the less:

 

377 ??? at Bishopstone station, looking towards Seaford station.

Edited May 3, 2017 by Colin parks

[phil_sutters]

Some twenty minutes later, whilst taking photos of the infrastructure at Bishopstone station, this unit arrived.  Whether this was the unit seen at Seaford in the previous picture, en route to Brighton, or another unit en route to Seaford, I cannot remember.  Judging by the fact that some passengers appear to have left the train, it would have come from the Brighton direction (unless they had just caught the train at Seaford and travelled one stop up the line!)  Only caught the top of the vehicles, but interesting none the less:

 

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377 ??? at Bishopstone station, looking towards Seaford station.

Should anyone be wondering why you should be interested in Bishopstone Station infrastructure, which looks very basic when viewed at platform level, this might go some way to explaining. The main station building is above and to the side of the redundant down platform. It is a listed art deco building, with the added delight of having a WW2 pill box hidden in its upper level, with good views over the approaches to the then strategic port of Newhaven.

(edit - some really nice looking apples grow along the cutting side, but beyond reach and my fence-climbing scrumping days are long gone) 

Edited May 3, 2017 by phil_sutters

[phil_sutters]

Finally an arty view incorporating that tower and a class 377 Electrostar at Portsmouth Harbour.  2010.

 

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I have already uploaded this elsewhere but it seems appropriate here

[Southernman46]

Brilliant !!

 

I can imagine there.s a fair degree of that goes at Gun wharf quays late on a Friday & Saturday nights

[Peter Kazmierczak]

Feltham is another station where long trains, eg x2 5-car Class 458s, can't fit into the platform without overhanging the level crossing.

 

Here we see Weybridge and Windsor services calling at the station last month, with the rear of the up Weybridge train blocking the crossing.

 

 

 

[Colin parks]

Should anyone be wondering why you should be interested in Bishopstone Station infrastructure, which looks very basic when viewed at platform level, this might go some way to explaining. The main station building is above and to the side of the redundant down platform. It is a listed art deco building, with the added delight of having a WW2 pill box hidden in its upper level, with good views over the approaches to the then strategic port of Newhaven.

(edit - some really nice looking apples grow along the cutting side, but beyond reach and my fence-climbing scrumping days are long gone) 

Southern 313203 Bishopstone Station 13 8 2010.jpg

Hi Phil,

 

Now you mention it, those pill boxes become apparent in the picture.   Bishopstone station and its environs have always had an appeal, perhaps maybe more for the art-deco building which expresses the speculative optimism of the Southern Railway than the surrounding sprawl of genteel houses, which came much later.

 

Colin  

[Peter Kazmierczak]

Southern and SWT units in the outskirts of Southampton earlier today.

 

[jonny777]

A bit of a cheat here, because one of these is not an EMU; but it is still on the third rail section at this point.

 

 

 

1002 and 7874 cross at Sevenoaks in the mid-70s.

[jonny777]

 

 

508013 and 5768 at Waterloo on 14th Sept 1982.

 

I have trouble believing this was 35 years ago...

 

[Colin parks]

Southern and SWT units in the outskirts of Southampton earlier today.

 

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Great photo Peter.

 

Is there not a hint of 4 COR about those Class 377 cab fronts?!  (Perhaps I should get out more..)

 

Colin

[phil_sutters]

I am beginning to lose track, but I don't think that I have uploaded these from 2011 before

St. Leonard's Warrior Square is sandwiched between two tunnels. These two trains are shown leaving one tunnel and heading into the second. In the upper shot one can see the light at the end of the tunnel. If one is at platform level on the up platform you can see the trains leaving Hastings station.

Edited May 6, 2017 by phil_sutters

[bingley hall]

2-EPB (Class 416/1) unit 5661 Norbury c1981

 

near London Bridge c1977

 

Banstead July 1983

Edited May 8, 2017 by bingley hall

[bingley hall]

Clapham Junction May 1983

Edited May 9, 2017 by bingley hall

[jonny777]

I loved SUBs/EPBs; mind you, I didn't have to commute in them.

[jonny777]

4656 at Clapham Junction

 

[Colin parks]

 

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2-EPB (Class 416/1) unit 5661 Norbury c1981

 

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near London Bridge c1977

 

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Banstead July 1983

 

Great shots of Bulleid EPB stock.  The first photo rather reminds me that I was going to build a model of a 2EPB (and still might!).  It is interesting to note that the two vehicles of unit 5661 are apparently slightly out of line horizontally.  Could it be worn suspension I wonder?  

 

The following two vehicles of what appears to be a Bulleid-designed 4 EPB, exhibit a similar variation, so it does not look like an effect that could be caused by the train entering a section of super-elevated track.

 

Colin 

[Colin parks]

I am beginning to lose track, but I don't think that I have uploaded these from 2011 before

313 205 at Shoreham 27 6 2011 4net.jpg

377 410 Hove 27 6 2011.jpg

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Brighton arrivals 319 216 et al 26 7 2011.jpg

St. Leonard's Warrior Square is sandwiched between two tunnels. These two trains are shown leaving one tunnel and heading into the second. In the upper shot one can see the light at the end of the tunnel. If one is at platform level on the up platform you can see the trains leaving Hastings station.

Southeastern 375 919 & 630 St Leonard's W Sq 11 3 2011.jpg

Southern 377 422 St Leonard's 11 3 2011.jpg

Hi Phil,

 

The presentation of your photos is very impressive!  The 'Brighton Arrivals' shot shows the station as being very clean and tidy in comparison to my memories of the place in the late sixties/ early seventies.  Also, can someone explain the reason why the track serving platform eight has boarded-over sleepers?

 

Colin

Edited May 9, 2017 by Colin parks

[phil-b259]

Great shots of Bulleid EPB stock.

 

The seemingly blank WF38 signal  (or signal displaying a 'black' aspect) is what caught my eye

[eastwestdivide]

Great shots of Bulleid EPB stock.  The first photo rather reminds me that I was going to build a model of a 2EPB (and still might!).  It is interesting to note that the two vehicles of unit 5661 are apparently slightly out of line horizontally.  Could it be worn suspension I wonder?  

 

The following two vehicles of what appears to be a Bulleid-designed 4 EPB, exhibit a similar variation, so it does not look like an effect that could be caused by the train entering a section of super-elevated track.

 

Colin 

Standard SR-quality track I'd have thought? (ducking to avoid well-aimed insulator pot thrown by engineer of my acquaintance) 

[phil-b259]

Hi Phil,

 

The presentation of your photos is very impressive!  The 'Brighton Arrivals' shot shows the station as being very clean and tidy in comparison to my memories of the place in the late sixties/ early seventies.  Also, can someone explain the reason why the track serving platform eight has boarded-over sleepers?

 

Colin

 

Brighton station (and indeed the approaches to it are built into the side of a hill - The ground dropping away below platform 8 to roughly the same degree as the cliff face running alongside platform 1. The wooden section of platform 8 (and indeed the wooden base the track itself sits on) is thus high up above the streets below with arches bellow providing storage space. It would seem that the use of wood is to keep the weight of the platform area down until l the arches cease and the area beneath the platforms becomes made up ground.

 

Infuriatingly Google Streetview does not allow you to get a decent view of the structure

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8284937,-0.1400974,3a,75y,359.46h,97.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh25YqsAysqf-zmqccRoqKw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8299091,-0.1399477,3a,75y,218.82h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQgSED_jpCfcMlaL6qVxsqw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DQgSED_jpCfcMlaL6qVxsqw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D206.93883%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

[phil_sutters]

Brighton station (and indeed the approaches to it are built into the side of a hill - The ground dropping away below platform 8 to roughly the same degree as the cliff face running alongside platform 1. The wooden section of platform 8 (and indeed the wooden base the track itself sits on) is thus high up above the streets below with arches bellow providing storage space. It would seem that the use of wood is to keep the weight of the platform area down until l the arches cease and the area beneath the platforms becomes made up ground.

 

Infuriatingly Google Streetview does not allow you to get a decent view of the structure

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8284937,-0.1400974,3a,75y,359.46h,97.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh25YqsAysqf-zmqccRoqKw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.8299091,-0.1399477,3a,75y,218.82h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQgSED_jpCfcMlaL6qVxsqw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DQgSED_jpCfcMlaL6qVxsqw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D206.93883%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Thanks for that explanation. I hadn't noticed the boarded sleepers, but the wooden platform is a few inches lower than the usual platform height and my wife, for one, finds it difficult to get on and off trains there.

I like the way that the canopy over part of platform 8 has been very elegantly tacked on to the outside of the overall roof.

I am not sure how it relates to platform 8, but the excellent Brighton Toy and Model Museum is under the front of the station. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/album/4193-brighton-toy-and-model-museum/

 

Edit - I hadn't realized that the ground falls away in the way you describe, because, as you can see in the other photo of platform 8, that I posted afterwards, there is a car park alongside the station and I have seen buses turning there.

Edited May 10, 2017 by phil_sutters

[phil_sutters]

Hi Phil,

 

The presentation of your photos is very impressive!  The 'Brighton Arrivals' shot shows the station as being very clean and tidy in comparison to my memories of the place in the late sixties/ early seventies.  Also, can someone explain the reason why the track serving platform eight has boarded-over sleepers?

 

Colin

Thanks for the kind words. I use many of my photos on fund-raising greetings cards and although modern railway scenes aren't that popular with the general public some of my 'creativity?' crept into my railway photos for a time. Although I like to caption photos on the image, to make it easier for viewers to know what they are seeing, currently my style is simpler. Your query about the boarded sleepers has been answered already and I commented on platform 8's canopy in my response to that. This shows the 'add-on' canopy that is further down the platform. Sorry there's no emu in it folks!

 

[John M Upton]

If I recall correctly the boarded platform is over the location of the track bed of the old platform that was to the left, if you look at other platforms in the station you will see that the columns are in between the tracks which used to be the arrangement here until the early 1980's if I recall correctly.

[bingley hall]

The seemingly blank WF38 signal  (or signal displaying a 'black' aspect) is what caught my eye

 

Yes I noticed that after I scanned the image. No idea what was going on there.