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Kicking back in Gloucester

Posted by Mikkel , in Layout ideas 05 March 2013 · 2,993 views

GWR goods yard shunting
Kicking back in Gloucester Here's an idea for a potential future layout in the Farthing series. The idea is to show a small section of the yard and sidings at Farthing. The trackplan is based on a real-world prototype, namely an interesting ladder of kick-back sidings in Gloucester Old Yard, which served a variety of purposes.

By focussing on one end of the track ladder, the layout can feature a variety of stock movements in a limited space, while still following the prototype.




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Crown Copyright 1936

Above is an OS map showing Gloucester Old Yard (as of 1936, hence past the 50 year copyright date). Goods depot on the left, engine shed on the right, and lots of sidings in between. Lovely!



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Here is the map again, after I’ve been at it with my crayons! As you can see, the red headshunt in the middle served a variety of interesting facilities (is headhunt the right word in this case? Americans would call it the lead, I think). This included the coaling stage, and a yard where the loco department deposited ash and stored the occasional loco. The engineers also had some special vehicles in these sidings, including an inspection saloon with its own carriage shed. The sidings also served the Gloucester water works, and a private goods depot used by, among others, a biscuit company.



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Here’s a close-up, showing how all sidings to the right of the headshunt were effectively kick-back sidings. Consequently, trains had to be propelled/drawn almost to the end of the headshunt to access the sidings. Two locos worked the sidings: The yard pilot and the shed pilot.



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Looking at photos I also noticed that by the late 1940s an additional point had been provided linking the headshunt in question with the mileage sidings (not visible on this 1936 map, but drawn in here). This included the two sidings seen here in green, which led to an end-loading dock and seem to have featured a good variety of vans and mineral opens.



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So how does all that translate into a small layout? Well the idea is that the layout will feature just the extreme uppermost part of the yard, as indicated here with the green outline. The rest of the yard is represented by an off-scene fiddle yard.



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The plan above illustrates the variety of stock and moves that can be justified on the layout. For 1-5, trains are drawn back/propelled into the headhunt (and hence onto the layout) before being moved into the relevant siding (ie back off-scene). Movements of the Loco Coal wagons were especially interesting: They were exchanged between the yard pilot and the shed pilot. The two mileage sidings (6) provide for a bit of general shunting (edit: and coaching stock storage, see below). The small section of track (7) is a scenic indication of the rest of the mileage sidings.



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Apart from the shunting, there could be a few interchangeable cameos/dioramas to indicate the passing of the day in a yard. See the “flexible layout” idea. I am playing with the idea of setting the layout in 1947, which would be a departure from my normal Edwardian timeframe. EDIT: On reflection I have decided to stick with the Edwardian period. An OS map from 1902 suggests that the trackplan displayed above was largely similar around the turn of the century, give or take one or two sidings.

Note: Much of the inspiration for the layout comes from an article in GWRJ No. 45, which describes operations in Gloucester Old Yard. If I have misunderstood something (including terminology) please don’t hesitate to correct me.

Edit 1: I have found the following 1932 photo on the excellent "Britain from Above" site. The layout will focus on the busy sidings upper right, where the road bends. Registered members of the site can zoom in on the photo - and this reveals that the two mileage sidings that I intend to include on the layout are crammed with coaching stock! More stuff to run and model then :-)

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Edit 2: Since writing this post I have decided to stick with my Edwardian timeframe. The above post has therefore been lightly edited to avoid confusion.
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A very cunning plan Mikkel.I like the idea of it being set in 1947,so what locos and stock are you planning to use ?

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RobboPetes
Mar 05 2013 18:42

A clever and cunning idea! You could run it at almost any point in history, as I believe this still exists today. Good luck with it and I look forward to seeing more from you.

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Job's Modelling
Mar 05 2013 18:51

What a research. Nicely choice for your Farthing Sidings.

I the past I had also a look at the railways at Glouchester.

Was interested in the railways around the docks.

For your general millage sidings I think you can find some useful information on this website: http://www.gloucesterdocks.me.uk

( noticed the link says page not found: click on home in that page and you will go to their home page)

 

Looking forward to your progress.

 

Regards,

Job

Thanks gents. It still exists? Amazing, I'll have to look into that. Might even be worth a trip if I get to go to the UK for work sometime this year.

 

I know some people might find this sort of thing contrived, or dull. But I enjoy the challenge of  identifying a micro that follows a prototypical trackplan and has a certain variety in stock and movement. Plus, it gives me something to do on the daily commute :-)

 

Yes, I reckon 1947 is just your cup of tea Rob! I love the pregrouping period but  also have a thing for the more mundane and austere latter-day GWR. With these little layouts I can have both.

 

As for stock I especially look forward to the Loco Coal wagons, there's a selection of kits available (see Jim Champ's very useful notes here) and I wouldn't mind trying my hand at scratchbuilding a body or two for the larger types. And a rebuilt 4-wheeler or two for the engineers dept, and some old run-down wagons for the ash sidings, and a couple of panniers scuttling about, and and... ahem, getting all carried away now :-)

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PaternosterRow
Mar 05 2013 19:13

Love the detailed research and well thought out proposal.  From the second plan, do you eventually intend to make the waterworks, loco dept and coaling stage as separate cameos too? There's a lot of scope here and the Farthings are turning into a detailed history project as much as anything else - I like the idea that the individual cameos come from different periods - perhaps you could even bring one of them right up to present day?  You could even incorporate the old Gloucester docks into another.  Anyway, I'd still love to see you do a broad and standard gauge mix layout sometime.  

 

At any rate, after all that hard research work I think you deserve a nice cup of tea and some Huntley and Palmers biscuits!!!

or your general millage sidings I think you can find some useful information on this website: http://www.gloucesterdocks.me.uk

Thanks for that link Job! Looks like there's some interesting info on goods and people of the area for inspiration. I can see why you were interested in the docks too, great setting for a layout. Maybe we can tempt you to do it after your "Urban Scene"?

From the second plan, do you eventually intend to make the waterworks, loco dept and coaling stage as separate cameos too? 

 

Hi Mike, well I'm afraid my pace is rather slower than yours, so don't hold your breath :-)  But the loco dept sidings would make a nice little layout in itself, I think.

 

Regarding the waterworks sidings, I haven't found out what kind of stock served them - photos seen so far don't show it well.

 

I should stress that my research has so far mostly consisted of reading the GWRJ articles and a few other sources.  So as usual we stand on the shoulders of the giants who did all the hard work for us.

PS: On the subject of Huntley & Palmers, one day someone simply has to model this:

 

http://www.huntleyan...e&s=Q97IVrxKZdE

 

(click large image in the menu for superb full screen view)

PS: On the subject of Huntley & Palmers, one day someone simply has to model this:

 

http://www.huntleyan...e&s=Q97IVrxKZdE

 

(click large image in the menu for superb full screen view)

What a fantastic photo!

Yes, the photo and setting is excellent. It's all there. Note also the guy in the window on the extreme left of the enlarged version.

 

I can see how you would like it, there's a bit of the Clevedon kind of atmosphere :-)  

 

Regarding Gloucester I have added an image to the main entry above. The close-up views of that photo show some interesting coaching stock in the sidings - and some of it isn't even GWR I think.

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Buckjumper
Mar 05 2013 21:58

I've been looking forward to seeing where you were taking this ever since you first proposed it.  I never knew Farthing was so big off stage - all these years I imagined it to be nice peaceful little hamlet (did you see what I did there?) but instead it's a walloping great market town saturated with steel rail.

 

And what a photo you've posted there with the Sou'Western sheeted open to the right and that lovely Sou'Eastern open to the left, that well-stacked pile of coal and the Pooley weighbridge. What on earth is that sheeted thing behind the loading gauge - it looks like a house made of boxes or baskets!

I suppose Farthing has grown a wee bit since I began ;-)  And I admit the bay platform and very attendant station master might give the wrong impression!

 

Let's just say it was like Newbury in 1907 - but had grown somewhat by 1947.

 

Anyway, I wonder if the odd sheeted thing is a pile of boxes full of... biscuits?

Evening Mikkel,

 

A brilliant idea and well executed planning too.  The historical side to this proposal is both interesting as well as informative.  Like others have said the maps and photos give a good idea of what you plan to achieve.

 

Also the move away from pre-grouping to the 1947 period will certainly be interesting. I'm looking forwards to seeing the locomotives and rolling stock you model which I guess will appear in a work weary state. A total contrast to the glamour of the pre-grouping times.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

Hi Mikkel, interesting thought provoking stuff as usual! I'm really looking forward to seeing this develop. That's a fantastic quality photo you've linked to, packed full of detail and atmosphere. I've just spent a very happy 10 minutes soaking it all up, thanks for sharing!

Dave

Yes, the photo and setting is excellent. It's all there. Note also the guy in the window on the extreme left of the enlarged version.

The weighbridge man had an important job. He would be keeping records (In-coming and outgoing) of every wagon / van over the Pooley deck. Details of wagon number, tare and net weights and date in and out. All these were needed to collate and check various charges from the rail companies and material suppliers. All done in a neat hand in large ledgers in those pre-computer days.

In 1947, the chances are that the weighbridge mechanism would be a manual "steel-yard" type, none of your fancy direct read-out dials!!

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Miss Prism
Mar 06 2013 11:55

If you're taking inspiration from that amazing Huntley & Palmers' shot, Mikkel, I think you ought to be sticking to c 1908... (I doubt the trackwork would have looked like that post WWII !). 

 

Btw, I suspect the pile of boxes are empties.

Superb research Mikkel; another wonderful prologue to what I'm sure will be another superb feast of modelling excellence. I also have to admit that your plan has got me thinking that there's so much more to micro layouts that once could easily imagine... and the planning and thoughts that go into all of this are giving me pause to reconsider plans myself... why aim fos something small when you could go fo just a small part of something bigger.

Thanks.... Jon

 A total contrast to the glamour of the pre-grouping times.

 

Mark, yes, I already feel a bit out of my pre-grouping comfort zone :-) Amazing how quickly we get locked in on particular periods. Fortunately there are lots of 1940s afficionados to help, including on here.

 

 

That's a fantastic quality photo you've linked to, packed full of detail and atmosphere.

 

Yes, pre-grouping lineside industries are still not much modelled I think. Here is a later one from their loading dock, just imagine all those biscuits! http://www.huntleyan...e&s=azzx18ABaF6

 

 

The weighbridge man had an important job.

Yes, I've always liked weighbridge buildings. In Gloucester I imagine there would have been one by the private goods depot alongside the "biscuit siding". Can't spot one in the photos though, but that part of the yard was not well photographed.

 

 

If you're taking inspiration from that amazing Huntley & Palmers' shot, Mikkel, I think you ought to be sticking to c 1908... (I doubt the trackwork would have looked like that post WWII !). 

 

Btw, I suspect the pile of boxes are empties.

I agree. I only linked to the photo becaue Huntley & Palmers were brought up. It deserves a model on its own, set in the right period. But the weighbridge etc could be used in a 1947 setting. Although the trackplan for "The sidings" comes from Gloucester, I think the buildings could be lifted from elsewhere. I have in mind also a stable block in the background, adapted to house motor lorries rather than horses...

 

Ah yes, those boxes in the photo might well be empties. I wonder what would have happened if there was a storm!

 

 

... and the planning and thoughts that go into all of this are giving me pause to reconsider plans myself... why aim fos something small when you could go fo just a small part of something bigger.

Aha, this sounds interesting. Will you be doing a superdetailed cross-section of a diesel next? :-)

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Miss Prism
Mar 06 2013 20:14
And here's the access from H&P straight into the mezzanine floor of the 'the Depot':

http://www.huntleyan...e&s=XvOCtd87J_E

And here's the access from H&P straight into the mezzanine floor of the 'the Depot':

http://www.huntleyan...e&s=XvOCtd87J_E

What a fascinating photo! A traverser, narrow gauge wheelbarrows, and some very unusual GWR wagons - note the inside-sprung W-irons and that wooden ended form of tilt wagon.  And just look at the sharp curve in the up and down wheelbarrow main line on the far right.You'll need some of these in the Depot as well.

 

Nick

That really is good stuff. It's all crying out to be modelled. Also a bit overwhelming, that place has the potential for 2-3 layouts in itself!

 

A wheelbarrow main line? Surely not?

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richbrummitt
Mar 06 2013 22:25

I fully expect that you will make the most of the 'cameo track' :good:

 

It seems that the fiddle yard will need to be very very(?) large for all the different stock you will be running back and forth on that one headshunt? 

That's a very good point Rich. It would be ridiculous to have a huge fiddle yard for a micro. I was thinking of having a separate cassette for each train (less the loco). I like hassle-free operation, but as the stock would not all be shunted at the same time of day, there would be different sessions, each with a couple of cassettes. Could that not work?

 

I should perhaps stay that the next step in the planning will be to "translate" the Gloucester setting into the one at Farthing. This includes scaling down the volume of things a bit.

Wonderful stuff Mikkel.

I must say, that I find researching a subject almost as compelling as building the actual model...always new things to discover and emerge.

I look forward to see how you tackle this one...
Hi Pete, I agree, the research for a layout is a big part of the fun. The only problem is that new layout options keep popping up the more you explore!

as I believe this still exists today

 

Thanks again RobboPetes, I found it in Google maps. A slightly sad sight:

 

http://maps.google.c....00283&t=h&z=19

 

"All that is solid melts into air..."

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richbrummitt
Mar 07 2013 18:02

That's a very good point Rich. It would be ridiculous to have a huge fiddle yard for a micro. I was thinking of having a separate cassette for each train (less the loco). I like hassle-free operation, but as the stock would not all be shunted at the same time of day, there would be different sessions, each with a couple of cassettes. Could that not work?

I don't know. this might be one of those what is acceptable to you kind of questions. Normally for a micro you would have various sidings and remove all the leads to a sector plate or cassette or whatever.

Most of the operational interest is probably in the mileage or carriage sidings with the head shunt to a world of sidings off scene a really good excuse to pull almost anything into the scene and push it away again (from where it came - but in the imagination a completely different siding - or out of the main (number 1 track) exit to the yard). It could work really well, especially with your imagination and masterful storytelling.

Thanks for these thoughts, Rich. What attracted me to this plan was - as you say - the variety of stock that can legitimately be moved on and off the layout (plus the scenic options, more on that later).

 

But in terms of interesting shunting moves it could become a little limited. My solution to this on The depot is to use the fiddle yard for a shunting puzzle. Maybe I could  do a sort of combination thing, where the fiddle yard has a couple of sidings for shunting, as well as a cassette siding. Plenty more to think about on the daily commute :-)  

You said you wanted a couple of panniers scuttling about.Well I've found you a 64xx that was allocated to Gloucester albeit a bit later than '47 but with modellers license etc.

 

http://www.colour-ra...px?ImgRef=11994

Many thanks Rob!

 

It is good to know that Bachmann are studying our projects closely and announcing stock to fit them ;-)

 

I can just see one of these working the sidings with a shunter's truck. I might remove the auto-gear and turn it into a 74xx, but let's see how it all plays out.

 

PS: The option to convert it into a 2021 is also quite exciting for the Edwardian period layouts (maybe even rebuild the entire body structure including saddle tanks out of plastikard?!).

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