RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2015 We are delighted to present this year's results for 00 and N in the now usual three formats (links below). Our grateful thanks go to all those of you who have voted or commented. We would also like to thank Phil Parker (MREmag) and Andy York for their constant support and commitment, and to David Baverstock (NGS Chairman), 'Fris' Friswell (LURS Modelling Secretary) and Simon Bendall for their assistance with certain elements. It looks like Hornby has made some announcements today, but it might take us a day or two to see how they relate to items in The Poll - and, I gather, there is more to come at Warley. Interesting times! All the best and enjoy your models! Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) 1. 2015 Most Wanted - 00.pdf 2. 2015 Results By Category - 00.pdf 3. 2015 Results Top-to-Bottom - 00.pdf 4. 2015 Most Wanted - N.pdf 5. 2015 Results By Category - N.pdf 6. 2015 Results Top-to-Bottom - N.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2015 Thanks to all involved. Nice to the see the SR U and Q classes ranking highly in the OO poll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Thanks very much for this. Fascinating, as always. I'm delighted to see the little GER E4 (the "proper" E4...!) polling so high - this must be the highest a 2-4-0 has ever scored? My heart sank when I saw how few votes the only M&GN loco scored, though my head jad kept telling me it was likely to be at or near the bottom. Pity: it's such a pretty engine. The other thing these results made me feel was how much BR(E)/LNER ex-GER has been produced RTR. There are relatively few "must-have" items still to be produced and, instead, there's a very widely dispersed group of "nice to have" things, each scoring a few votes. What a turnaround from a few years back. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Thanks for posting the results. Great to see the GWR Manor and Mogul high up on the list Also good to see the Standard 77xxx/78xxx/84xxx at the top too. Cheers, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 27, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hello Paul I think you're right that that's the highest a 2-4-0 has ever been. Below is how the loco has moved up the ranks of the LNER Locos category (but it must be seen in context that six other LNER locos that were polling higher have been announced and/or delivered, thereby changing 'the pecking order' year-by-year). 2012: Overall 15th position, with 105 votes. 2013: Overall 10th position, with 135 votes. 2014: Overall 13th position, with 161 votes. 2015: Overall 3rd position, with 196 votes. I'm no expert on the loco, the E4 tender does seem to have a lot in common with the J15. Perhaps someone could say? Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Slowly the desperately-needed SECR 4-4-0s are crawling up the list. The trouble is there are too many of them! The D never gets the publicity such a good-looker deserves. The L1 Hornby never seems to want to replace. The D1 & E1s are not well-enough known The L is a really interesting loco but never quite catches on. Oh well! Back to a realistic hope for the SECR H class tank in the forseeable future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Nice to see the Class 92 score high on the N gauge wishlist. I know it's not as good as others, but would love to see someone do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub45565 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 People never change - of the LMS locos how many people have a layout ready to use Big Bertha! With the continual topics about prices etc, surely this fits into the 'nice to have' category for most of those voters. Even those who do buy will only get 1 (or even 1 per club layout) while several options in the next few lines of the list would potentially sell in multiple numbers to the same person. There are several not currently available as kits too. I'm sure someone will make use of the lies, damn lies and statistics though ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 The post office vans in N gauge seem a no-brainer for Farish seeing as the 00 version has just been released and they are the highest polling item. I would definitely buy a couple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 . First, a really big "thank-you" to the Poll Team for all their efforts, I really appreciate it. Second, as an "00" Southern Region modeller, I am AMAZED at all the Southern items near the top. I agree that they are "necessary", but my wallet is really suffering from the recent releases, so I look forward to next year's announcements with trepidation. Two points ; - The 4-COR has slipped a bit relative to others, but STILL HAS A REASONABLY LARGE VOTE. - The "Walrus" did remarkably well, surely it must be released soon ? . P.S. Interesting to see the number of votes this year has dropped from 2409 in 2014 to 2178 in 2015 ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2015 Curious to find the SR "Lord Nelson" tied with the SR "Nelson" EMU on 223 votes apiece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 27, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hello Phil (#10) Although it has slightly slipped by number of votes, the 4 COR is still in The Top 50, as it was last year. The Walrus has been in The Top 50 for three years now and was 'high polling' in 2012. Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hi for a bit of fun (for a certain value of fun) and I hope the wishlist team don't mind, I thought it would be interesting to take the 2014 and 2015 results and do a comparison. Please see attached pdf. Any errors / transpositional typos solely down to me! As a starter, I've compared the GWR and LMS loco categories. My perception is that the LMS is less well served than the GWR, particularly pre-Stanier. Looking at the data it's interesting to note: 1) the LMS category voting is in aggregate higher, has a longer list but the spread of the results is much broader. e g no stand out like the Manor or Railmotor 2) the loco selected by not one but two RTR manufacturers, the King, polled surprisingly poorly in 2014. Manufacturers sales expectations differ from the wish listers rankings! Ditto LNWR Coal Tank 3) its noticeable how similar many locos poll from year to year, particularly the more obscure (eg Rhymney R, Cambrian Goods, HR Jones Goods, Fowler 7F) 4) LMS list changes are less dramatic than the GWR - partly a feature of more GWR releases. GWR increases eg Manor,Dean Goods, Moguls are really quite marked When I get time, I may look at the other categories and do some league table movement analysis, eg Manor up X places New Entrant etc David Poll analysis 2015 v 2014 GWR LMS.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 27, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hello David The Team prepares a set of year-on-year comparison charts. Attached is the GWR including 2015 results - as you will see, the King was announced too late to be deleted from The Poll and that almost certainly had a downward effect (although we can't actually prove anything as we don't know!). The same happened with the 1361. Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) 2. GWR Locos.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 27, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hello again, David Here is the LMS one. You will see the note about the Coal Tank. I won't load any others yet as we want to wait until the Warley announcements are made. Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) 4. LMS Steam Locos.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Are there any plans to publish an official analysis and findings comments on the results figures? G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Thanks as ever to the survey team. I confess myself baffled by the demand for the RTP level crossing; surely an item which other than on a railway operating on a large unvarying billiard table of a landscape intersecting a grid iron road system must be so varied as to preclude a 'typical' example? The other thing these results made me feel was how much BR(E)/LNER ex-GER has been produced RTR. There are relatively few "must-have" items still to be produced... Very obvious hole now, one of the longlived Stratford designs of tank loco, the traction basis of their suburban service fame. I was surprised that Hornby went for the J50, rather than something of much the same size from the GER stable. (I am very grateful.) I'm no expert on the loco, the E4 tender does seem to have a lot in common with the J15. Perhaps someone could say? Stratford was very standardised. The E4 is in essence a higher geared J15 to make a mixed traffic loco, tender of the same basic design as that behind the J15. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 27, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hello Grahame I'm sorry to say no. We took the decision from 2012 that we would publish the results and let readers make what they make of them. The only 'concession' we make is the year-on-year charts (as you will see above) which help us understand whether things are going up, down or staying the same. Was there anything specific you wanted to know? Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 27, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2015 Thanks for the comments, 34C. I'm sure that must give hope for the E4 fans. In respect of 'the hole', I guess you mean the J69 or N7? (Speaking personally, I'd love an N7 with some Quint Arts!) Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hello again, David Here is the LMS one. You will see the note about the Coal Tank. I won't load any others yet as we want to wait until the Warley announcements are made. Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) Thanks Brian - I'd not seen that. Much appreciated. I guess it's rather unfortunate when a manufacturer announces mid poll! It's interesting to note the changes, or not, in relative popularity David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devo63 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hi Brian and all your fellow poll team members. Thanks for running this always interesting compilation of what everyone knows they need and what they desire - two very different things. I personally had hoped that the Bulldog would poll a bit higher than it did in the GWR section. With Bachmann having a suitable chassis already in existence I thought that a good showing in the poll might induce them to add the class to the 'to do' list fairly early. Cyril Freezer always used to say 'when in doubt, add a pannier'. That's fine for small branch lines and shunting work* but I've always thought that for an average sized GWR layout set between the wars there should be a good selection of mid level motive power such as the Dukes and Bulldogs and the various types with 2-6-0 wheels arrangements (including Aberdares) plus a few Dean Goods. Whenever I get the opportunity I add another outside framed 4-4-0 to my small collection currently consisting of a Bachmann Earl, K's Duke, Earl and Bulldog x2 and a brass Bulldog constucted sometime in the early 60's and finally remotored about 12 months ago. A nice RTR Bulldog would have me putting my hand in my pocket a lot more readily than some of the 4-6-0 classes. I could easily see myself purchasing at least three. * Slight exaggeration - I know they went everywhere and did practically everything. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2015 Very happy to see that there were another 54 people who wanted a Class AM2 (302) and 46 who think a AM7 (307) should be produced.....................may be one day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hmmm - industrial steam still doing well, slightly surprised industrial diesel didn't do a bit better (as those Hornby Sentinels are relatively-late prototypes). I suspect assessing the potential market may still remain hard to quantify. Metropolitan/LT Dreadnought coaches did extraordinarily well, without a lot of special pleading. An outlier, or a new trend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I'm sorry to say no. We took the decision from 2012 that we would publish the results and let readers make what they make of them. The only 'concession' we make is the year-on-year charts (as you will see above) which help us understand whether things are going up, down or staying the same. Was there anything specific you wanted to know? I was wondering if there was any official conclusions drawn by the organisers for reporting on (specifically about N gauge). But I can always carry out my own analysis and make some supporting comments if necessary. Cheers. G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 28, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2015 Hello again Grahame We simply let the voters vote and report the rankings in the three formats. Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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