RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted September 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2016 Hallo, These would have been MK2Cs, now there's an interesting proposition. Picture this: a manufacturer finally decides to produce MK2Cs......... hmmmmmm es grüßt pc Mk2c,s would be nice but the Mk2s I've seen on Motorail photos all appear to be from earlier series...such as this train.https://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/10021305963/in/pool-2259775@N23/ This is from the Motorail Flickr group https://www.flickr.com/groups/2259775@N23/pool/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Hallo, Thanks for the reply and the link to the site. I have a copy of an earlier edition of Rail Express which featured Motorail services and the MK2s which were referenced in the article were identified as MK2Cs es grüßt pc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Hallo, Thanks for the reply and the link to the site. I have a copy of an earlier edition of Rail Express which featured Motorail services and the MK2s which were referenced in the article were identified as MK2Cs es grüßt pc Well they might of been referenced as being Mk2cs but there is the slight problem in that Mk2cs were air braked and NG carflats were vac braked. While some of the later carflats were air braked I don't think that any were used on motorail services i.e. the RL94xxx series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Well they might of been referenced as being Mk2cs but there is the slight problem in that Mk2cs were air braked and NG carflats were vac braked. While some of the later carflats were air braked I don't think that any were used on motorail services i.e. the RL94xxx series. Not sure what you mean, BR had AB carflats - Tops code FVX, both air and vacuum braked. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmotorail/e124f4e5d Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) Not sure what you mean, BR had AB carflats - Tops code FVX, both air and vacuum braked. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmotorail/e124f4e5d Paul I very deliberately mentioned NG(V) not FVX. FVX are freight stock which is why I indicted I was not certain and I am happy for those who get interested in such things to expand on this. I have no idea what period the reference to Mk2c is in the Rail express which is why I did not say that it was impossible just that (for later years when restored to passenger stock) it would not be likely to be seen together. The statement that the Mk2s mentioned by acg5324 were Mk2cs was not fully accurate; the photo evidence linked by acg5324 supports this, but does not exclude the odd use of Mk2b or c. Stock allocation of MK2cs, even prior to sectorisation means that FKs used on Motorail stock were Mk1s, Mk2zs and MK2as. Edited September 2, 2016 by Bomag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I very deliberately mentioned NG(V) not FVX. FVX are freight stock which is why I indicted I was not certain and I am happy for those who get interested in such things to expand on this. I have no idea what period the reference to Mk2c is in the Rail express which is why I did not say that it was impossible just that (for later years when restored to passenger stock) it would not be likely to be seen together. The statement that the Mk2s mentioned by acg5324 were Mk2cs was not fully accurate; the photo evidence linked by acg5324 supports this, but does not exclude the odd use of Mk2b or c. Stock allocation of MK2cs, even prior to sectorisation means that FKs used on Motorail stock were Mk1s, Mk2zs and MK2as. You used the term CARFLAT. If you meant GUV - which is not what this topic is about, then there were airbraked Motorail lettered ones, NXA such as http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brnpccs/e2b492534 and NXX, with Motorail lettering http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brnpccs/eeb3bccb If you look at your Longworth you will see there were 96 of these renumbered ones, But there are others including a little batch rated to run at 110mph which had modified end doors. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I have no idea what period the reference to Mk2c is in the Rail express which is why I did not say that it was impossible just that (for later years when restored to passenger stock) it would not be likely to be seen together. The statement that the Mk2s mentioned by acg5324 were Mk2cs was not fully accurate; the photo evidence linked by acg5324 supports this, but does not exclude the odd use of Mk2b or c. Stock allocation of MK2cs, even prior to sectorisation means that FKs used on Motorail stock were Mk1s, Mk2zs and MK2as. Hallo again, here the services and dates referenced with MK2c stock: Olympia ->Perth 09.81 MK2C FK x5, BFK, Carflat x13 Olympia ->Perth 05.81 MK2c FK x4, MK1 RBR, MK2c FK, BFK, Carflat x12 All other "classic services" with carflats are referenced with MK1 Wonder if any of the RMWeb community can comment on the accuracy. I've always viewed Rail Express to provide reliable Information. es grüßt pc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 You used the term CARFLAT. If you meant GUV - which is not what this topic is about, then there were airbraked Motorail lettered ones, NXA such as http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brnpccs/e2b492534 and NXX, with Motorail lettering http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brnpccs/eeb3bccb If you look at your Longworth you will see there were 96 of these renumbered ones, But there are others including a little batch rated to run at 110mph which had modified end doors. Paul No I mean Carflats - NGVs 96250-96265 dia NG502 sector code IMRX (1989) based at EN. They were renumbered from wagons, apparently due to sectorisation, in 1985 until Carfalts were supplanted by an expanded fleet of NX GUVs (coupled with a reduction in traffic) in the late 1980s. You have a single picture of one on your website (B745645) which was not actually one of the renumbered vehicles (presumably it was condemned before it was renumbered). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Hallo again, here the services and dates referenced with MK2c stock: Olympia ->Perth 09.81 MK2C FK x5, BFK, Carflat x13 Olympia ->Perth 05.81 MK2c FK x4, MK1 RBR, MK2c FK, BFK, Carflat x12 es grüßt pc Was there a date indicated in the mag? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Was there a date indicated in the mag? There seem to be dates against both those formations:- 09,81 for the first and 05.81 for the second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted September 3, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3, 2016 I've always viewed Rail Express to provide reliable Information. es grüßt pc Yes, me too. I find R Ex to be the one mag I buy every month without bothering to browse first. Which issue is this information in? Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 There seem to be dates against both those formations:- 09,81 for the first and 05.81 for the second. May81 (05.81) September81 (09.81) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Yes, me too. I find R Ex to be the one mag I buy every month without bothering to browse first. Which issue is this information in? Cheers Ben A. June 2004 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Lovely picture in the recent modern locomotives illustrated of a blue Warship hauling 4 China clay wagons and 5 empty motor rail wagons. I'm sure there are other pictures out there, but If ever there was a reason to get these models, in my books, that picture is it. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtwo Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 and of course I cannot remember where exactly, but I have seen a photo in the net of the Brockenhurst portion of the Motorail Service to Stirling with 4 coaches, 2 sleepers, and 2 day coaches I've only just caught up on this thread, hence the late reply to this post. The book you saw the photo was "BR Blue No1, Southampton and the New Forest" by John Dedman. It was taken on 8th June 1980. There's the four coaches already mentioned of which the day coaches are an FK and a BFK. On the only carflat visible, incidentally fitted with B4 bogies, are a BMW 1602, Vauxhall Viva, Austin Allegro and what appears to be a VW Golf Mk1 partially obscured by a tree. Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I've only just caught up on this thread, hence the late reply to this post. The book you saw the photo was "BR Blue No1, Southampton and the New Forest" by John Dedman. It was taken on 8th June 1980. There's the four coaches already mentioned of which the day coaches are an FK and a BFK. On the only carflat visible, incidentally fitted with B4 bogies, are a BMW 1602, Vauxhall Viva, Austin Allegro and what appears to be a VW Golf Mk1 partially obscured by a tree. Regards David Hallo, Post Nr. 77 has the link to the flickr site where I saw the photos. Thanks for replying, must be the same photo es grüßt pc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted November 25, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2016 Hello all, Just in time for the Warley National Model Railway Exhibtion at the NEC Farish have sent through CADs of the forthcoming Carflat. These are not the finished article, and there are some details to correct, but they seem like a prett decent start to me. We are doing versions as originally built in the early 1960s with BR1 bogies and vacuum braked, and as later fitted with faster B4 bogies and air-braked. Some versions are dual braked with both vacuum and air. The bogies, braking, Motorail placards and buffing plates (which are being finessed) are details that vary from model to model. Cheers Ben A. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted November 25, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Looking good Ben.......the middle CAD image seems to have solid panels near the ends is that an optical illusion? Pleased to see that they have cracked the Kinetic coupler issue.....I had to remove them with my scratchbuilt versions and revert to Talgo bogie fitted couplers. Edited November 25, 2016 by acg5324 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted November 25, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2016 Looking good.....the middle CAD image seems to have solid panels near the ends is that an optical illusion? Hi Andy, Good spot. I think those panels are for the Railease variant. See photo of the prototype here: https://goo.gl/images/tf72Bj Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted November 25, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2016 Thanks Ben, so two different bodies, didn't realise that they had done more than add air brakes to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted November 25, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Hi Andy, In terms of the model I think those panels are fitted in manufacture, I don't think they will be moulding two different versions. Cheers Ben A. Edited November 25, 2016 by Ben A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Hi Andy, Good spot. I think those panels are for the Railease variant. See photo of the prototype here: https://goo.gl/images/tf72Bj Cheers Ben A. This is the correct link http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/raileasecarflat/h5FC99F34#h5fc99f34 This http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/raileasecarflat/e5fc9a872 shows the end board better. Carflats are a nightmare. Fortunately the basic info given in our BR wagon book seems to have held, and the origin of each of the BR ones is given in Longworth, Hugh (2013) B R Mark 1 and mark 2 coaching stock. Publ. OPC (Ian Allan) Herhsam Surrey ISBN 978 0 86093 650 3. Of course, the Privately owned ones just add to the complexity, not least the MAT ones which differed to all BR ones by using SR coach frames http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/matcarflat Paul Edited November 25, 2016 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu from EGDL Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Hi Gang, I'm assuming that much of the below sole bar detail is almost a direct read across from the Blue Riband coaches, so much of that detail should already be locked down. Of course the uppers will vary by era and lot number of modification, so careful study of available photographs will probably be needed for me to get the exact combination right for my requirements. The initial late blue with Motorail branding and B4 bogies may not stand up to close study, depending where to site them At the various ends of my modelling eras.... Later, Stu from EGDL. Edited November 29, 2016 by Stu from EGDL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted November 29, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2016 Hi Stu, I should add that these were early CADs sent over to show members the overall "look" of the thing; the Farish designer was very clear that at the moment they represent something of a chimaera of details and exact combinations of branding/braking/bogies etc are yet to be specified for each livery variant. But you're right about the commonality with the Mk 1s; I have no idea how the factory will handle them but I would assume they can use moulds they already have for parts like the trusses, brake parts, buffers etc. cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) I thought the Chinese factories liked to keep tooling for one project together. i.e. a new underframe tool will be made for the car-flat (as a copy and paste) that can then be kept with (or is part of) the rest of the tooling for the car-flat specific parts. That way the tooling required for a model isn't stored in another factory across town. For the car flat it would also mean that parts that aren't needed like battery boxes and dynamos don't have to be produced. Happy modelling. Steven B. Edited November 30, 2016 by Steven B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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