danstercivicman Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) Looks like 4680! has run into Birmingham Hope St from Worcester Shrub Hill. A rare working but not unheard of in these late days of steam on BR.. What a beautiful loco! Ready for for the eventual start on Swansea Victoria Edited June 22, 2017 by danstercivicman 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) After realising I didn't have the Red Dragon Book for BR period photo's around Swansea, though it's some 40+ years after my dates of interests (LNWR).A nice, clean copy arrived today, £20 incl. p&p.... There are some silly prices out there, so beware, but £28 seems the norm.. It's a great book if you like loads of 3/4 front views of GWR engines and plenty of details of the individual engines too. There are some useful detail shots of parts of the loco's....... However if you are looking for any descriptions of rolling stock, then 'get over it'.I think I've picked up 2 photo's that mention the stock specifically, 3 lime wagons at Pontardulais and a ex. GWR clerestory coach at Paxton Street loco shed. For those that have this book .. 'The Red Dragon & Other Old Friends Around Swansea- A Glimpse of Post War Steam', then the very light colouring of the coaches in Plate 145, might be worth a comment, presumably washed-out Crimson. In Plate 142, the full brake is a ex. LNWR 50' top-light, (LNWR Dia. 375), a 4mm kit of this is/was available from 'Stevenson Carriages'. And now one of the reasons I wanted to get hold of the book was to check the caption to I think it's plate 167, mentioned in Post #103 on page 5 of this topic, the 74xx as working the 2.40pm from Shrewsbury. The photo caption is not clear, though the caption does mention elsewhere within it about small engines working south of Pantyffynnon. The Panniers did not work all the way through. Plate 167 also mentions the connection of the coal siding through to the Mumbles Railway, behind the Mumbles Road Signal Box, this was presumably also the route the Clyne Valley Colliery connected via the LNWR into the Docks, the connection is a bit convoluted, running back underneath the Mumbles Road track, and forward into the Coal sidings etc., as can be seen here. I've never seen any reference to the Clyne Valley wagons running all the way along the Mumbles Railway into Swansea. There was no direct connection from the Colliery to the LNWR just south of Killay, that was the Rhydydefed Sidings leading to the Clyne Valley Brick & Tile Co., (I have copies of the LNWR South Wales Private Sidings Diagrams), there's no mention though in the portfolio of an agreement between the Mumbles Railway and the LNWR, where the coal yard siding goes through the gate onto the road. Edited June 23, 2017 by Penlan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Re. 'The Red Dragon & Other Old Friends Around Swansea- A Glimpse of Post War Steam', There's hardly a mention of the Midland / N&B line into Swansea St. Thomas, John Miles of this Forum and 'The Icon' will be disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Mention is made earlier of a lack of views of the Goods Shed... Correct, There's a minuscular view of the shed on a Aerofilms view here http://www.coflein.gov.uk/en/archive/6201643/details/504 left hand edge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon47603 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Did someone mention the Swansea Vale? Luckily a new book has just been published: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Swansea-Vale-Railway-John-Miles/dp/1911038192/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498229424&sr=1-1&keywords=swansea+vale+railway The July issue of Steam World has an article of Super D's running on the Western Region. It includes Paxton Street Super D's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) Did someone mention the Swansea Vale? Luckily a new book has just been published: Unfortunately Amazon only list John Miles as the Author, Karl Thomas and Tudor Watkins (The Icon) had a hand in it too. A very good book, some superb photo's. Edited June 23, 2017 by Penlan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 Mention is made earlier of a lack of views of the Goods Shed... Correct, There's a minuscular view of the shed on a Aerofilms view here http://www.coflein.gov.uk/en/archive/6201643/details/504 left hand edge. Which interestingly shows the goods shed to be quite substantial and to have an almost square section it's a useful photo It's also a good view as it shows the high level lines running on a viaduct The far platform in this view is also noticeably longer. I think now I've got the pannier super d's will be s lot further along the line... After the summer I will start on the boards then buy all the many points!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Which interestingly shows the goods shed to be quite substantial and to have an almost square section it's a useful photo It's also a good view as it shows the high level lines running on a viaduct The far platform in this view is also noticeably longer. I think now I've got the pannier super d's will be s lot further along the line... After the summer I will start on the boards then buy all the many points!! If the high level line curves to turn over the main lines into the station at all then you could model a tiny bit of it on a bridge or small viaduct that could act as a good scenic break. Dan, now that we've both got 4680 here's it's profile on BR Database. Handily for me its shed from 1957 until its withdrawal in 1966 (must have been one of the last Panniers around) was Worcester, about 20 miles give or take from Kinlet Exchange Sidings. Kidderminster was nearer however, so as a general question was it common for locos to spend a while 'on loan' to a different shed but without changing allocation? http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=S&id=4680&loco=4680 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clecklewyke Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Again I say, surely there is not enough space for any meaningful representation of either the goods shed or carriage shed at Swansea, they are just too large. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 If I squash them abit it will fit-honest 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 Did someone mention the Swansea Vale? Luckily a new book has just been published: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Swansea-Vale-Railway-John-Miles/dp/1911038192/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498229424&sr=1-1&keywords=swansea+vale+railway The July issue of Steam World has an article of Super D's running on the Western Region. It includes Paxton Street Super D's. Interesting stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 Again I say, surely there is not enough space for any meaningful representation of either the goods shed or carriage shed at Swansea, they are just too large. Ian Hello, I think looking at the plan there will be almost five carriage lengths of carriage shef. I think this will be more than enough to give the idea of s carriage shed. Also the good shed will be around 30-40cm long which is quite big. I think it will do? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted July 2, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 2, 2017 Going to keep my eyes on this thread. I've moved back to Swansea for the second time and I've always been fascinated by the LNWR and MR presence here. Oh, did other railways have a presence there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbowilts Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 If you go back to before the Big Four you had GWR, MR, LNWR, Rhonda & Swansea Bay, Taff Vale (through running on R&SB). Between them they had four termini, High Street, Victoria, St Thomas & Swansea East Dock Tim T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 I'm afraid due to health issues getting back to work is going to be my main priority over the next few months so unfortunately there will be no progress in the layout this side of Christmas... I will come back to it in the new year but trains are not really a priority ATM. Thanks for all the support with ideas and this will be my 2018 project . I'll keep gathering bits and bobs for it but can't undertake the construction yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I'm sorry to hear that Dan, hope you feel better soon. Don't worry, we can wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Cheers, it will happen but when I'm fully fixed Thanks for the support Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clecklewyke Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I hope all goes well for you and that you can return as quickly as possible to your model railway plans. It's such an interesting iconcept and if you want to mull over ideas I'm sure we will all be keen to chip in. Good luck! Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 Thanks very much- I haven't been on the forum much due to work and family stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2017 Oh, did other railways have a presence there? Apparently the GW turned up as well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2017 Your family and health are more important than the layout, but we will be interested to hear how you are getting on when you are ready to get back to it. And you can find more out in the meantime... All the best and hope you are fully sorted out soon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Apparently the GW turned up as well... and the Swansea & Mumbles Rly, Swansea Harbour Trust Rly, Rhonda & Swansea Bay Rly, Swansea Vale Rly (Midland Rly + Neath & Brecon Rly) , ... and as already mentioned, London & North Western Rly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) and the Swansea & Mumbles Rly, Swansea Harbour Trust Rly, Rhonda & Swansea Bay Rly, Swansea Vale Rly (Midland Rly + Neath & Brecon Rly) , ... and as already mentioned, London & North Western Rly. To be fair, you can't say the Swansea and Mumbles turned up, they were there first, by a good margin. The others 'turned up', the GW originally in the form of the South Wales. You may as well give Powlesland and Mason the benefit of the doubt and include them as well. Oh, yeah, and if we're counting the South Wales we need to include the Vale of Neath, which had a pub named after it! Edited September 6, 2017 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 I hope all goes well for you and that you can return as quickly as possible to your model railway plans. It's such an interesting iconcept and if you want to mull over ideas I'm sure we will all be keen to chip in. Good luck! Ian Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 Your family and health are more important than the layout, but we will be interested to hear how you are getting on when you are ready to get back to it. And you can find more out in the meantime... All the best and hope you are fully sorted out soon! Cheers, my health is getting there. I have now been a good two weeks without headaches. Basically I am pretty lucky to 1. be alive 2. not have brain damage... I had a subdural hemetoma from a boxing injury...back to work and what not. Downside is the DVLA take the licence for 6 months after head injuries.... I will come back to the layout plans next year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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