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#1 Skinnylinny

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 13:34

In their 2018 new releases, Bachmann have announced four 009 quarry Hunslets (including open and closed cabs), a three-pack of slate wagons and two liveries of the ALR bogie coaches. Also reliveries of existing tooling including their 4-6-0 and WD bogie opens. I'm currently on my phone so can't include links, but more details are available in the Bachmann section of the Suppliers section at the top of the forum homepage. Exciting times!
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#2 Nile

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 14:34

A quick copy & paste from the Bachmann 2018 topic:

 

New Tooling – Bachmann Narrow Gauge (OO9 Scale)
Steam Locomotives
Quarry Hunslet 0-4-0STs
The Hunslet Engine Company of Leeds produced 21 of these light weight locomotives between 1886 and 1904 for use in the slate quarries of North Wales. Many locomotives remained in use at the quarries until their closure in the late 1960s. All 21 locomotives have been preserved and are now in use on heritage lines or in museums across the country. Locomotives from the same ‘family’ were used in a number of other industries the length of the country.

Photo by Julian Birley
391-050 Quarry Hunslet 0-4-0 'Alice' in Dinorwic Quarry Red livery
New tooling, open cab, dumb buffers. As built but also as preserved

Photo by Andrew Simmonds
391-051 Quarry Hunslet 0-4-0 'Britomart' in Pen-yr-Orsedd Quarry Blue livery
New tooling, Cab fitted, no buffers. Painted blue in 1966, remains in this condition in preservation
391-052 Quarry Hunslet 0-4-0 'Nesta' in Penrhyn Quarry Lined Black livery
New tooling, open cab, No buffers. Later Penrhyn quarry livery
391-053 Quarry Hunslet 0-4-0 'Dorothea' in Dorothea Quarry Lined Green livery
New tooling, Cab fitted, dumb buffers. As built but also as preserved
Coaches
Ashover Coach
The Ashover Light Railway ordered four coaches of this design from the Gloucester Railway Carriage and Wagon Company in 1924 for the operation of passenger services on its line in Derbyshire. They were built on recycled bogies from First World War wagons. They operated at Ashover until passenger services ceased in 1936. Two coaches later found further use with the Lincolnshire Coast Light railway then based in Cleethorpes. These coaches can still be seen today operating at the LCLR line which is now located in Skegness. A third coach that also survived is located at the Golden Valley Light Railway in Derbyshire.


Photo by Steve Purves
394-025 Bogie Coach in Ashover Railway Crimson livery
New Tooling, as built condition
394-026 Bogie Coach in Lincolnshire Coast Light Railway Blue & Cream livery
New Tooling. As used by the Lincolnshire Coast Light Railway from the 1960s to present day at both Cleethorpes (until 1985) and Skegness (since 2009)
Wagons
Slate wagon
These wagons are based on the Talyllyn Railway’s fleet of unbraked two-bar slate wagons and are typical of the type of wagons used for moving slate from quarry to interchange.

393-075 4 Wheel Slate Wagon (Pack of 3) - weathered Grey livery with slate load
New Tooling, as used on the Talyllynn Railway.
Other significant Branchline (OO9 Scale) introductions
391-025A Baldwin Class 10-12-D No. 542 WW1 in ROD Black livery
New Tooling combination, depicts the first batch of locos which had no spectacle plate shields or water pickup gear
391-028A Baldwin Class 10-12-D 'Bridget' in Ashover Railway Black livery
As first run by the Ashover Railway
391-029 Baldwin Class 10-12-D in Glyn Valley Tramway livery
New tooling combination, new cab back and no water pickup gear
393-027 Covered Goods Wagon in Lincolnshire Coast Light Railway Crimson livery
As used by the Lincolnshire Coast Light Railway in the 1960s to 1980s as a mobile ticket office
393-028 Covered Goods Wagon in SR Brown livery
Inspired by the wagons used on the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway
393-054 Open Bogie Wagon in SR Brown livery
Inspired by the wagons used on the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway
393-055 Open Bogie Wagon Ashover Railway Light Grey (Early) livery
Early livery as carried when the wagons were first acquired

 

 

the photos haven't been posted yet.


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#3 Killian keane

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 14:35

Very exciting! Hopefully Hornby announce some 009 stuff tomorrow, interesting to speculate whether the slate wagons will use the same tooling as the thomas ones which themselves are a decent representation of Talyllyn slate trucks

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 14:39

Very exciting! Hopefully Hornby announce some 009 stuff tomorrow, interesting to speculate whether the slate wagons will use the same tooling as the thomas ones which themselves are a decent representation of Talyllyn slate trucks

Bachmann can't use the exact same tooling as their Thomas slate wagons due to copyright reasoning. It would be an all new tooling. It's still a nice range, and I'm thoroughly looking forward to it. 


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 14:53

Quarry Hunslets are a great addition an ever growing range for 009 .Well done and I look forward to buying some .I do have a round y 009 layout thats just decently laid  ballasted track  on a sheet of foam .At present i use with Skarloey and Rheanas  and few wagons mainly to let the  young grandkids have a little train set when they visit .There is no scwenary as they make card buildings and put them on the layout ,great fun .The Thomas models are tough enough to survive so far  with a bit of management  especially Skarloey .At least they are being played with as designed.I might make another little roundy to use the Hunslets  to play on  with some scenary  .They are perfect .


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 15:04

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 15:59

2 of each Hunslet ordered here. I suspect from their titling that some work will be required on them to make them accurate. Britomart in 'Pen yr Orsedd blue' is a work of fiction, Blue only being applied in preservation. Alice equally has detail variances from quarry days, and I suspect we're going to get something rather basic which will need our own personalisation to truly reflect whatever name is printed on the tank, BUT! Lets not overlook what a monumental milestone this is - Quarry Hunslets are tiny, and there is really nowhere to put your electric propulsion gubbins in 4mm scale, so Bachmann are going to have done really well just to get it to market in the first place. 

 

These were my last 2 009 Quarry Hunslets, Modified Chivers kits on Bachmann 0-4-0 chassis and wearing Delabole Quarry cabs.(vintage 2003)

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Comapred to my current 16mm Scale Red Damsel, there is some room for improvement which hopefully Bachmann will address!

 

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 16:05

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#9 Nile

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 17:35

Bachmann can't use the exact same tooling as their Thomas slate wagons due to copyright reasoning. It would be an all new tooling. It's still a nice range, and I'm thoroughly looking forward to it. 

 

I wouldn't be so sure that it would apply to these wagons. They sell Peco L&B wagons in their Thomas range, it doesn't stop Peco selling them here. The lack of faces on them may be a factor.



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 17:48

As I understand it any tooling created for the Bachmann US Thomas range can not be used for anything else as per the agreement between Bachmann US and the rights holders of Thomas. This leaves two options:

  1. It is different tooling to the Bachmann US Thomas range.
  2. It is a Bachmann UK tooling and agreement was reached with Bachmann US to use it. Despite Bachmann US announcing their release first.


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 17:48

According to the works report Andy Y posted, the slate wagons are already at the artwork stage.



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 17:49

Bachmann can't use the exact same tooling as their Thomas slate wagons due to copyright reasoning. It would be an all new tooling. It's still a nice range, and I'm thoroughly looking forward to it. 

That certainly applies to the locos because of the faces making a copyrightable identity so it applies to coaches with faces but probably not the trucks as they are modelled as the TR ones without any specific Thomas ID's

 

I wouldn't be so sure that it would apply to these wagons. They sell Peco L&B wagons in their Thomas range, it doesn't stop Peco selling them here. The lack of faces on them may be a factor.

Yep and as they buy them from Peco, Peco aren't going to be tied by any tooling licence to the Thomas brand ;)



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 18:01

 

As I understand it any tooling created for the Bachmann US Thomas range can not be used for anything else as per the agreement between Bachmann US and the rights holders of Thomas. This leaves two options:

  1. It is different tooling to the Bachmann US Thomas range.
  2. It is a Bachmann UK tooling and agreement was reached with Bachmann US to use it. Despite Bachmann US announcing their release first.

 

I'm pretty sure from what I was told some years ago it's the face that is the copyright issue because it is an identity which is why the TR can use a pink face and the Thomas Brand owner can't touch them as the locos shape is theirs ;) The faces are the issue and the associated tooling being locked into the agreement, remember Bachmann USA aren't going to argue the toss when they can see the stand alone Skarloey Rly models as profitable. I can't see how they can lock the tooling into such an agreement on the same basis.

The Junior range engines were foul of the agreement because they were modelled on the TV series locos, Skarloey and Rheneas are locked in as a tooling license as a complete model with the other unique attributes that differ from the real locos no doubt the catch all, cylinders on Skarloey and Chimney and cab on Rheneas.

Anyhoo the wagons look good and if they are the same as the Thomas range ones they run well too.



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 21:41

Oh No,These models are lovely, Can not start another gauge, Got voices in my head now,Why did i look at the pictures,


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 22:19

Oh No,These models are lovely, Can not start another gauge, Got voices in my head now,Why did i look at the pictures,

Well plenty of options for a micro layout with Peco set track, Minitrains feldbahn track or the Shinohara track, just to float a few ideas ;)

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 08:01

So when are the O16.5 versions coming out?  :angel:


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 08:32

So when are the O16.5 versions coming out?  :angel:

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I regularly meet a Bachmann employee when he calls at our Club and as you can imagine, I have mentioned this on more than one occasion ! !

 

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 15:01

Quarry Hunslets. I think a little wee just came out! Just what I’ve been waiting for. Definitely no excuse not to get on with my 009 layout now.
Oh n the wagons look exactly the same as the Thomas ones. I’d be surprised if they go to the bother of whole new tooling for the same model (though it could depend on who actually owns the tooling) Oh n they are a LOT cheaper. I was going to get some from Tootally but they are £55 for 3. The new ones are in Hattons I think for £38.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 22:39

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I regularly meet a Bachmann employee when he calls at our Club and as you can imagine, I have mentioned this on more than one occasion ! !

 

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Got to admit that if I had the money to finance any project ,a 16.5 quarry Hunslet would be it  would be the one I would go for .A nice straightforward project and at least 21 colour schemes  I think .Luvvly Jubbly .


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 21:55

Got to admit that if I had the money to finance any project ,a 16.5 quarry Hunslet would be it  would be the one I would go for .A nice straightforward project and at least 21 colour schemes  I think .Luvvly Jubbly .


A 0-16.5 Quarry Hunslet would be inaccurate in terms of the gauge. That's why we have 0-14. Of course it would be lovely to have a 7mm scale one in any gauge but not very likely....

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 22:21

Not modelled in OO9..,,yet. But a Quarry Hunslet may just swing it.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:17

A 0-16.5 Quarry Hunslet would be inaccurate in terms of the gauge. That's why we have 0-14. Of course it would be lovely to have a 7mm scale one in any gauge but not very likely....

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Just like 009! 


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#23 Titan

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:44

Was it not possible to regauge a Hunslet to 2'3" in real life?
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:55

I would have thought the frames would get in the way. The Talyllyn locos that were converted were generally inside framed locos to begin with.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:52

Hunslet could have built them to a different gauge from new, after all Hunslet built outside framed locos for 2' 6" and wider gauges, but conversion of an existing loco might be more difficult.