New Northern and Scottish Rep Limited Edition Scotrail Class 47

[GordonC]

701 is different as well it has flush cab at one end

 

I'm surprised the same tooling has been used for all the Scotrail 47/7s so far ... only 47461 has a flush front at either end

 

are there any boiler variations between 47708, 47710 and 47712?

[girlinb]

I'm surprised the same tooling has been used for all the Scotrail 47/7s so far ... only 47461 has a flush front at either end

 

are there any boiler variations between 47708, 47710 and 47712?

461 is flush no 1 end only as are 705 and 707. 701/2/3 are flush no2 end. That's in Scotrail colours rather than before or after

[adb968008]

Is 47461 a 47/7 ?

 

I thought it was just a 47/4 that ended up in Scotrail livery.

 

Every time I ever saw 47461 Charles Rennie Macintosh, it was never in Scotland.

Not my pics..

But it appears to have flush front at one end only..

 

http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0999020090000

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adogriff/6716752697

[girlinb]

Is 47461 a 47/7 ?

 

 

No its not just was in one of the replies

 

To answer the boiler ports 708/12 were Stone Vapor and 710 was Clayton

Edited March 8, 2018 by girlinb

[wirey33]

Is 47461 a 47/7 ?

 

 

Every time I ever saw 47461 Charles Rennie Macintosh, it was never in Scotland.

 

 

English Depot Manager : Morning Control. We've got a Scotrail 47 here. What do you want us to do with it?

 

Control : Send it to Cornwall. 

 

English Depot Manager : Shouldn't we be sending it North; back home?

 

Control : Nope. Definitely South. Actually, do we have rail access to Jersey and Guernsey........?

[Mike at C&M]

C&M Models in Carlisle also have a few available from their allocation.

[class37418stag]

Hello I have one of class 47/7

 

Bachmann scotrail livery

47710 Walter Scott with symbol castle based haymarket in Edinburgh

47708 Waverley with symbol castle

47712 lady Diana Spencer with symbol castle

 

GRRRR I and other members WANT class 47/7 scotrail livery WITH symbol westie terrier based Eastfield Glasgow

[class37418stag]

Is 47461 a 47/7 ?

I thought it was just a 47/4 that ended up in Scotrail livery.

Every time I ever saw 47461 Charles Rennie Macintosh, it was never in Scotland.

Not my pics..

But it appears to have flush front at one end only..

http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0999020090000

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adogriff/6716752697

Class 47461 been worked in Scotland and based Inverness depot then send to south and hauled trans pennie express from Newcastle to Liverpool then later by bad accident by shunted at Liverpool lime street station and hauled away to Crewe and BR decided class 47461 go cut up by scrap

Edited March 9, 2018 by class37418stag

[brushman47544]

Hello I have one of class 47/7

 

Bachmann scotrail livery

47710 Walter Scott with symbol castle based haymarket in Edinburgh

47708 Waverley with symbol castle

47712 lady Diana Spencer with symbol castle

 

GRRRR I and other members WANT class 47/7 scotrail livery WITH symbol westie terrier based Eastfield Glasgow

 

I agree that Bachmann does seem to have missed a trick here by doing all three version as HA allocated, rather than one when allocated to ED. Not difficult to change the transfer, but not everyone wants to change a pristine model.

 

Here's a Westie double-header with 47705 and 47708 https://goo.gl/images/pxNNo6

[Scottish-Exile]

not everyone wants to change a pristine model.

 

 

That's where I'm at. Need to develop my skill set in this regard. My gripe, is that Sir Walter Scott and Lady Diana Spencer have the longest names. I'd like one with a short nameplate that would facilitate an easy change to Dunedin & Lothian etc.

 

I do have Waverley, but it of course has the - correctly - misplaced BR arrow so rules out an easy conversion.

[tractor_37260]

I agree that Bachmann does seem to have missed a trick here by doing all three version as HA allocated, rather than one when allocated to ED. Not difficult to change the transfer, but not everyone wants to change a pristine model.

 

Here's a Westie double-header with 47705 and 47708 https://goo.gl/images/pxNNo6

 

AFAIK by the time the 47/7's were re-allocated to ED, most, if not all were fitted with cab roof aerials, which would require a different body tooling.

[tractor_37260]

That's where I'm at. Need to develop my skill set in this regard. My gripe, is that Sir Walter Scott and Lady Diana Spencer have the longest names. I'd like one with a short nameplate that would facilitate an easy change to Dunedin & Lothian etc.

 

I do have Waverley, but it of course has the - correctly - misplaced BR arrow so rules out an easy conversion.

 

47 705 had a flushed No 1 cab end  

 

47 711 easiest to change to - same oddly-placed arrow as 708 with a longer name.

[brushman47544]

AFAIK by the time the 47/7's were re-allocated to ED, most, if not all were fitted with cab roof aerials, which would require a different body tooling.

 

But Bachmann does have Class 47 cab tooling with radio aerial and jumper cables as per Kernow's 47701 in NSE and NRM/Locomotion Royal 47799 (RES 47745 and Royal 47798 were Crewe cut so incorrect).

[GD]

I agree that Bachmann does seem to have missed a trick here by doing all three version as HA allocated, rather than one when allocated to ED. Not difficult to change the transfer, but not everyone wants to change a pristine model.

 

Here's a Westie double-header with 47705 and 47708 https://goo.gl/images/pxNNo6

 

As far as am aware 47712 did not receive a westie and retained the Haymarket castle well into 1990 and possibly NSE days. It did get the aerial sometime in 1988 though. 

[Scottish-Exile]

Love it when a plan comes together   

 

3.25pm I get a call from Barry @ Widnes Model Centre that 47 712 is in stock. By 4pm, I'm in the store and the model is in my grubby little hands.

 

 

On show here are 47 708, 710, 712 & Heljan 715. My other 3 Scotrail 47's are in storage, awaiting a bigger layout to one day be built.

 

 

My first visit to Widnes Model Centre and won't be my last. A great little shop and with the new Mersey Crossing, is easilly convenient for me.

Edited March 9, 2018 by Scottish-Exile

[sjgardiner]

Not difficult to change the transfer, but not everyone wants to change a pristine model.

 

 

That's where I'm at. Need to develop my skill set in this regard. My gripe, is that Sir Walter Scott and Lady Diana Spencer have the longest names. I'd like one with a short nameplate that would facilitate an easy change to Dunedin & Lothian etc.

 

 

I converted a Walter Scott to Saint Mungo to match a photo of me as a child at Lenzie Station a couple of years ago.  I used nameplates and decals from Fox Transfers to re-name/number the locomotive and add the Eastfield logo.

 

47703 - Saint Mungo by Stephen Gardiner, on Flickr

 

As mine is a display case model, any little inaccuracies between the different Class 47/7's isn't as important to me.  It is nice though to see more of the Scotrail 47's coming out for those wanting them.

 

Cheers,

 

Stephen

[eric709]

That's where I'm at. Need to develop my skill set in this regard. My gripe, is that Sir Walter Scott and Lady Diana Spencer have the longest names. I'd like one with a short nameplate that would facilitate an easy change to Dunedin & Lothian etc.

 

I do have Waverley, but it of course has the - correctly - misplaced BR arrow so rules out an easy conversion.

The beauty of the Bachmann printing is that isn’t too difficult to remove so the longer name shouldn’t be too much of an issue....I did about 6 renumbers of 47710 a few months back and didn’t have any problems removing them with t-cut / cotton bud

[sawyermodels]

Arrived today. Just outside my modelling period of 1995 to present but a lovely model. Im tempted to have one and have it sat in the diesel maintenance depot waiting to take a rail tour.

[girlinb]

Ive seen a pic on ebay and it looks there the box has two labels on the end, one covering the old one (like the Tipplers for the Eastern Rep)

[brushman47544]

Ive seen a pic on ebay and it looks there the box has two labels on the end, one covering the old one (like the Tipplers for the Eastern Rep)

 

Well this loco was on display with Kernow MRC in their shop and at Warley, so maybe originally to be their limited edition? Will be interesting to see if 47625 and 47628 (other Rep L/Es) are the same.

 

EDIT: All is revealed.... The Chester Model Centre photos on ebay also include one of the accessories https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/162945430291?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3De976715bd72449298fc04ff3ff8bef82%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D27%26sd%3D323141868607%26itm%3D162945430291 and show the etched nameplate to fit separately marked as Kernow MRC.

Edited March 14, 2018 by brushman47544

[DavidM]

37-275SD for the eastern region shops also reveals a 37-275Z ‘limited for KMRC’ label after a couple of mins of peeling.

[tractor_37260]

Well this loco was on display with Kernow MRC in their shop and at Warley, so maybe originally to be their limited edition? Will be interesting to see if 47625 and 47628 (other Rep L/Es) are the same.

 

EDIT: All is revealed.... The Chester Model Centre photos on ebay also include one of the accessories https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/162945430291?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3De976715bd72449298fc04ff3ff8bef82%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D27%26sd%3D323141868607%26itm%3D162945430291 and show the etched nameplate to fit separately marked as Kernow MRC.

 

Well spotted re the nameplates.........good price also.......selling like hot-cakes,  very strange that Kernow "appear" to have backed out ?  Hattons now sold out - even at full RRP

Edited March 14, 2018 by tractor_37260

[girlinb]

When i asked they weren't aware of 47708 when the order was placed so they must have decided over 1000 LE Scotrails on the market would be a problem, you can't really blame them for that I guess

[brushman47544]

When i asked they weren't aware of 47708 when the order was placed so they must have decided over 1000 LE Scotrails on the market would be a problem, you can't really blame them for that I guess

 

Indeed. I imagine its much easier to sell a limited edition across a raft of separate retailers than one retailer, who many people won't know anything about, trying to sell them all. It also means that people who buy mostly from their local model shops when they see something they like will also get the chance to buy them.

 

But I do wonder if there are other limited editions that Kernow MRC have given up and I will have to source elsewhere, since they are my retailer of choice and are probably - geographically - one of the closest in the UK to me.

[adb968008]

Class 47461 been worked in Scotland and based Inverness depot then send to south and hauled trans pennie express from Newcastle to Liverpool then later by bad accident by shunted at Liverpool lime street station and hauled away to Crewe and BR decided class 47461 go cut up by scrap

It got way further south than transpenines..

 

South of Scotland

https://www.flickr.com/photos/52g_sunderland/32482092556

Preston

 

Further south of Pennines

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adogriff/6716752697

Crewe

 

South of the midlands

http://www.flickr.com/photos/131806380@N05/25343447470/

Coventry

 

Heading southwest

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52881866@N02/5116970545/

Banbury

 

A lot further south

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jawheeler/9274464945/in/photolist-9zQ9iK-9pC8AJ-9uNrav-drgSYn-j4vQ7C-ncVhZC-Reas3Y-nNkgmk-9FCKfC-nyTfEv-pKLWzc-bBDzaK-cQ8DJs-qdgfhS-dT8xDk-VfgUif-ncVi1j-oV5w4m-i9bvT6-bAZ9MM-fg3JRd-9FGPCM-b6g6pa-oh7Xsz-qbqt5j-RXw6Nn-7iieMi-dUKaFd-8ZiPCx-821NDZ-aE2TuV-Rukdsy-geHpZM-nHRn98-bfiaFt-bXjYYM-of67oY-pr4x5V-PakUQc-ncVhZY-9S66Q4-hsGHYQ-f8y4j2-dRvJ8k-ctJy1o-ehYcNJ-bhXcjX-9RFENq-9pz6PH-9GwcS2

Reading

 

Brunel country

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/news---latest-reports-and-photographs/previous/25

Bristol, Penzance and Plymouth are shown if you search this blog

 

Very south

https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishrail1980sand1990s/16395918610

Exeter

 

 

I saw 47461 many many times, just not in Scotland, I saw it often at Bolton on the GUS parcels.

47637 Springburn, 47541 The Queen Mother we’re harder slots down south but they too wandered, having Scotrail markings or Highland Stag, just red stripe. I know I rode behind 47541 from Stockport on more than one occasion.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/BR_Class_47_no._47541_%22The_Queen_Mother%2C%22_Cardiff_Central%2C_9_September_1986.jpg

47541 at Cardiff

 

http://www.philt.org.uk/keyword/47637

47637 At Paddington.

 

I think I recall seeing 47461 with a CD Crewe sticker, which would explain its wandering, CD 47/4’s were quite worldly. If anyone wants a Scotrail 47 for there late 80’s layout in any part of the UK 47461 would be appropriate.

 

That was the great thing about being an enthusiast in the 80/90’s... anything in any livery could show up anywhere (26/7/33/50’s excepted).

The 47/7’s were up there, then suddenly down there, and almost immediately became anonymous 47/7s.

Edited March 15, 2018 by adb968008