'CHARD Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Stung into action by a mistaken belief - propagated by me - that I was unaware of Class 50s' early lives, I'm starting this resource to try and gather photos of all manner of early BFYE locos. Definition: eBFYE early blue full yellow end; characterised by use of non-standard elements, and placing of livery elements in non-standard positions. Examples: Brush Blue - double arrows on all four cabsides, numbers inboard of cab doors eg D1960 New Class 50s - double arrows crowded on all four cabsides along with numbers, depot sticker and data panel New-in blue Class 25s - double arrows on all four cabsides, numbers inboard of doors eg D7674 Early blue 37s, double arrows and numbers on all four cabsides, eg D6845 Serif numbers and tiny double arrows, eg D5115 Bear in mind that some classes went into what was effectively eBFYE, Class 22 for example, and never migrated beyond - we could conjecture how their livery may have evolved had they survived, but that's not my core purpose. I want short-lived early flourishes of eBFYE before the Corporate Paintbrush really went into standardization mode. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_03_2011/post-4697-0-24224100-1301144875_thumb.jpg http://farm4.static...._fb319cef49.jpg http://www.class47.c...%7C%7C%7C%7C%7C http://www.railbrit....35000/35965.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsv1000r Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I'll start it off then, all east anglian examples: 31's 5514, '70 5560, '72 5564, '69 5587, '72 5550, '70 5594, '72 5634, '73 5568, '73 5860, '73 5652, '72 all BFYE with four arrows & numbers, all numbers inboard of cab doors & no D prefix 37 D6753 '68 6819, '73 BFYE four arrows & numbers, these are photo dates by the way Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Slightly off topic, but in a way related, is there a list of loco's repainted in to blue with small yellow warning panels? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 Slightly off topic, but in a way related, is there a list of loco's repainted in to blue with small yellow warning panels? I'm not aware of one, but this sure looks like the place to create it. I expect certain contributors will have pieces of the jigsaw to hand, for example Downendian has recently published Class 22, and Russell Saxton - I think - has previously provided same for the Peaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50A55B Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Interesting topic, but it's not really correct to call some of these examples non-standard, as cab arrows was the standard for many classes in the mid - late 60s, although the switch to one bodyside arrow seemed to happen quicker on some classes than others (eg on 37s and 47s cab arrows were short lived, 31s and 50s had this style as standard for longer). Looking at it the other way, why did 33s keep cab arrows all through the BR Blue period when the design was eminantly suitable for one bodyside arrow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Well...where to begin?? "Brush Blue" was carried by D1953-D1961 from new - no other 47s carried this livery. Of these, 47260 (D1956) and 47514 (D1960) retained this livery into TOPS. There's a chance that D1957 carried its intended number 47261 for a short while, before regaining its pre-TOPS number. Several 47s carried "Early Blue", including D1531, D1532, D1536, D1547, D1550, D1662, D1684, D1712, D1718, D1723, D1725 & D1932. D1684 (47097) and D1712 (47123) made TOPS in this livery, but the pre-TOPS cabside numbers were painted out, as was the left-hand arrow on both sides, which was replaced with the TOPS number. D1932 (47493) also retained Early Blue, but still with all four arrows and bodyside numbers. I'm fairly sure, but with no hard evidence to prove it, that 47432 (D1547) carried this livery. Class 50 - All carried cabside numbers and arrows, with "D" prefixes and many lasted into TOPS like this - 50017 was the last and even carried its official name like it. Others into TOPS with four arrows were; 50003, 04, 06, 10-14, 17, 20-22, 29-32, 34, 35, 37-41, 45, 46, 49, 50. If anyone can prove any others, I'd be greatly interested. Class 37 - D6753, 97, D6812, 23, 24, 31, 35, 45, 70, D6945, 92 (possibly others...can't remember...working from memory...) had four cabside arrows and numbers. 37245 & 37292 lasted into TOPS. Another, less-known variant, was with 6882 & 6883; these had four cabside arrows and bodyside numbers. Both gained TOPS numbers in this livery. A few 24s, 25s and dozens of 31s wore early blue, but not many lasted into TOPS. I can only think of 24076, 086, 112, 113 and "possibly" 24150, 25259, 25319, 31002, 006, 013, 115, 197, 217, 232, 258, 310, 408. If I come up with any more...... Cheers, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I've "had a little think" about 24s & 25s in Early Blue and came up with these; D5025, 27, 28, 34, 49, 50, 76, 80, 83, 84, 86, 99, 102, 106, 112, 113, 146, 148, 150. D5151, 59, 64, 65, 67, 68, 72, 223, 226, 283, 7562, 7572, 7609, 7643, 7660-7677. D7661 had SYP, D7660 was a real oddity; looking from the side, it had an arrow on the l/h cabside and a bodyside number, then the other number was on the r/h CABside. D5021, 26, D5218 were BSYP, with l/w emblem. D5021 gained FYE and TOPS number, being withdrawn in this livery in 1976. The other two went standard blue, c1971. Another "four arrow" variation, was with D5557 & D5561; these had four cabside arrows on GREEN livery; 5557 lasting until late 1973. Others as I find 'em. This list is NOT exhaustive, there will more than likely be others that I haven't seen / got photos of. Can I also add D1569, D1589 & D6889 to the list of 37/47s in my previous post? Also, 25222 (7572) was another e/bTOPS loco. Rgds, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Slightly off topic, but in a way related, is there a list of loco's repainted in to blue with small yellow warning panels? Off the top of my head; D602, D830, 831, D1017, 30, 37, 47, 57, D1733, D5021, D5026, D5218, D6300, D6303, D6314, D6327, D7660, D7661, also 20-or-so Class 45s and a bundle of Hymeks - numbers not to hand for these... As ever, this list is NOT exhaustive, there were probably others.... Cheers, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 I've got the Peaks listed somewhere, not sure on which laptop though, hold onto your hats.... EDIT: oh, this laptop. Peaks in BSYP: 47/50-2/5-9/61/4/71/9/91/2/101/5/9/13/4/6/33/5 (Total: 23) source, la Saxton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Don't forget D5389 blue syp, a model of which will be due out this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Ah yes - D5389 - that one had a similar number/arrow configuration to D7660. R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I've got the Peaks listed somewhere, not sure on which laptop though, hold onto your hats.... EDIT: oh, this laptop. Peaks in BSYP: 47/50-2/5-9/61/4/71/9/91/2/101/5/9/13/4/6/33/5 (Total: 23) source, la Saxton Isn't D83 in there? I believed that was Toton Blue as well. If that IS the definative list, then we have one more (making two in total) mega-rare pic of a GFYE Class 45 - there is a pic on page 23 of "Britain's Railways in Colour; BR Diesels in the 1960s and 1970s" of D83 in a plain livery with FYE. To be honest, it's difficult to be sure which colour it is - is COULD be green, or blue. I thought it was Toton Blue, as it doesn't have an emblem; none of the Toton Blue ones DID, but I've never seen a shot of a GREEN Peak with no emblem. If anyone's got this book, have a Butcher's and give us your thoughts... Either way, it's a rare one, GFYE or TBFYE. Cheers, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 D83 wasn't in the spreadsheet I have, unless I transcribed it wrong from Russell's original text. I shall add her to the mix. Sounds like there's a wee photo quest required on that loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Late reply but I published a list of all known BSYP locos in Railways Illustrated June 2011 http://www.railwaysillustrated.com/view_issue.asp?ID=4600 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I have looked around for the answer to this question and this seems the most relevant thread to ask on.How many 31's got TOPS numbers but still retained 4 Double Arrows on the cabs. I have photos of 31147 with cabside arrows and bodyside number and 31259 with cabside number and arrows. I have another photo of a loco with bodyside numbers and cabside arrows which I'm trying to identify. It looks like it's 31145, but I'm not 100% sure. It's not 31245 as it doesn't have the door tablet catcher cutouts. Could 31145 be right and what other locos in this configuration where there, if any. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRUNFOS Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I have looked around for the answer to this question and this seems the most relevant thread to ask on. How many 31's got TOPS numbers but still retained 4 Double Arrows on the cabs. I have photos of 31147 with cabside arrows and bodyside number and 31259 with cabside number and arrows. I have another photo of a loco with bodyside numbers and cabside arrows which I'm trying to identify. It looks like it's 31145, but I'm not 100% sure. It's not 31245 as it doesn't have the door tablet catcher cutouts. Could 31145 be right and what other locos in this configuration where there, if any. Paul J. 31 321 certainly was. Have a look at the one I've done in my "grunfos blue diesels" thread. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You can add the briefly carried 31140 too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Off the top of my head; D602, D830, 831, D1017, 30, 37, 47, 57, D1733, D5021, D5026, D5218, D6300, D6303, D6314, D6327, D7660, D7661, also 20-or-so Class 45s and a bundle of Hymeks - numbers not to hand for these... As ever, this list is NOT exhaustive, there were probably others.... Cheers, Ron. A (very) late reply from me too...! To those Hydraulics in BSYP you can add Westerns D1036 and D1043, as for the Hymeks, I can't remember all of them but the following were definitely in BSYP : D7004 (December 1966, at first with blue cab window surrounds, later painted off white), D7007 (December 1966, with blue cab window surrounds which it kept until withdrawal), D7010, D7012, D7027 (April 1967), D7034, D7036, D7040 (April 1967), D7046, D7048, D7051 (December 1966, with blue cab window surrounds, need to confirm if it was withdrawn in this condition), D7052, D7056, D7057, D7059 and D7064. D7027, D7040 and one or two others are seen freshly painted in BSYP in an HTV West news footage segement in the 'Western Legacy' DVD, which was filmed inside Swindon Works in April '67. Also in this footage we can see D600 being painted BFYE by an old boy wielding a very dodgy looking paintbrush! BFYE on the Hymeks may seem a simple affair compared to the other Hydraulics but the earliest members to carry this had a slightly different look to, as the dividing line between the yellow and blue at the cab corners had a much sharper radius to it at the top, these were D7033, D7035, D7042, D7058, D7061, D7063 and D7067. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 Some of those tight radius BFYEs had less wrap around up the nose corner too, unless I'm much mistaken, Nidge.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Yes mate you're spot on, and 7035 and 7067 in particular stood out. Pretty sure 7067 was the first and had some cracking official portraits done at the time in the usual spot outside the west end of 'A' Shop at Swindon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I recently acquired this original image - a livery variation that is pretty well known but this is the best colour image I have seen: E6018_Eastleigh_Bournemout-Wloo_1-7-67 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I recently acquired this original image - a livery variation that is pretty well known but this is the best colour image I have seen: E6018_Eastleigh_Bournemout-Wloo_1-7-67 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Another shot of this particular livery here. https://flic.kr/p/aUgKXx. It looks to have carried this livery from April 1966 at the earliest to Nov 1970 at the latest, if the dates on the photos I've come across are correct. Carrying on with class 73 liveries, (as I've just got one of the Dapol ones), which was the last one to carry BSYE in traffic. I can find 2 in photos that are dated 1971, E6044, BSYE in October 1971 but BFYE sometime in 1972, and E3048 in BSYE July 1971, and BFYE by December 1973. E6033, E6035 and E6039 all have photos in BSYE during 1970 but I don't know when they went to BFYE. All the above dates are dependent on the captions being correct! Has anyone any ideas on which of the above was the last in BSYE, or was it "none of the above"? Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Not the best of shots as the photographer was focusing on the demolition of the steam depot, but a 3D with wrap-round yellow: 3D_1319_Guildford_Apr-69 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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