Miss Prism

Thin parallel chimney would be normal for 1919/20.

I like the shade of grey for the post-1939 roofs. Would perhaps benefit from a very thin brown wash.

Have updated urls on gwr.org.uk.

Indeed, it seems that the inclusion of 'www' will not work. I think the browsers have perhaps not got their act together at the moment, and maybe we are entering an era where the inclusion of 'www' will be deprecated.

I'm getting "Please stand by while configuration is in progress."

Sounds logical, but all coaching stock, passenger-carrying or non-passenger-carrying, did not follow that principle.

That is true.

I don't think anyone knows. Looks a bit weird in all-over brown.

Thanks. I've only delved into this thread in the last day, so, sorry, I missed that earlier colour discussion. I'll go back and do a bit of homework.

Accurascale's stone colour (upper) feels too 'mustardy', to me. I'd prefer more of a biscuit shade, with less yellow component (lower). I have nothing to substantiate this subjective opinion.

Brown was standard for NPCCS up to 1912. After 1912, I have a 'posh' theory, i.e. the posh people went in crimson lake carriages, and their horses and carriages travelled in the same trains and were also crimson lake. Posh people didn't carry around with them fish, milk or cattle etc, so those remained in brown. However implausible the theory might be, it does sort of fit the facts.

Love the Southease pic - so much character.

A prototype passenger cattle wagon was produced in 1888. It had large wheels and clasp brakes. The bible says it "was one of the first goods wagons to be given passenger vehicle equipment yet remain in goods livery". The colour of that livery is not mentioned, and is indeterminate from its picture. It and the subsequent W4 vehicles (of 1898, but there is some uncertainty as to when the build commenced) were numbered in the goods series, and thus no different in principle to other goods stock fitted with large wheels and vacuum brakes, like some of the Iron Minks. The bible states they were (in 1898) in grey. When those cattle trucks were re-numbered into the passenger stock lists, long after red had been discontinued, they were repainted brown. Similarly, the W7s of 1909 onward were grey with goods numbers and became brown with passenger numbers in c 1927. So the bible concludes the early passenger-rated cattle wagons were in grey, but it would say that wouldn't it, because the bible believes grey was introduced in 1898.

Ah yes, I've got that. But I thought the enquiry was about pre-1898, or maybe I was confused.

It does imply that cattle vans classed as passenger vehicles were brown. What I don't know is which cattle van diagrams were classed as passenger vehicles (and when that happened).

http://www.gwr.org.uk/liverieswagonsiphon.html#:~:text=Up to 1912,vehicles during WWI. Is that ok?

Thanks Rob. Doesn't always work that way! I do sometimes link to a manufacturer's webpage in the formative stage of a project, so that people can see what is on offer in the type and livery range. Post availability, I like to carry a representative photo (generally I will chose a GWR version rather than a BR one). The problem with a link to a manufacturer's page is that sometimes they have a habit of disappearing/changing after the initial excitement and familiarisation has subsided.

I had not realised the stone livery didn't last too long.

Always a pleasure to be able to delete 'NYA' on gwr.org.uk, but these days, to reflect modern marketing methods, I wonder if I should introduce an 'ASO' for all sold out...

Let's be honest, the announcement came as a complete surprise to everyone. In the event, the surprise turned out to be a welcome one, and, more recently, made more welcome by the recognition of Dapol having done such an excellent job. Clerestory?

An extract from a bad picture, but it serves the purpose. A chocolate and cream set at Princes Risborough in 1947, behind Hall 6925. The coat of arms is in an unusual place (on a door), or it could just be a coat of arms size smudge on the negative.

It's logical when considering the build dates. 1924 was the cusp of the porthole era. Most of the 56xxs did get the seam weld on their tanks, but not all. There's an Ian Sixsmith book for the fans (I don't have it), who could provide a more accurate answer. Likewise, many of the 66xxs got seam welds. Here's 5614 at Banbury on 25 April 1962. It was withdrawn a year later, so very unlikely to have received significant further works attention. Note the shiny safety valve bonnet!

Last crimson lake pic I know of is c 1928 (a single large 70' toplight iirc). In the mid- to late-20s however, the GWR Board provided extra funds for coach repaints, in an effort (it seems to me) to make things look modern, which I think equates to getting rid of over-elaborate lining. So the normal repainting intervals were not observable in the way they had been before. Full lining had almost completely disappeared after 1930. I have posted pics of brown and cream repaints of this stock earlier in this thread (see here and here), but Dapol knows, as do all the manufacturers, they can produce liveries with impunity. Collectors will lap them up, even where there is no evidence of a particular prototype livery era being actually applied to prototype stock. If I was Dapol, I'd do a Hattons and produce them in all sorts of non-GWR liveries - they would still sell like hot cakes. I'm usually very critical of manufacturers (especially Hornby, who do tend to take liberties) applying fictional liveries to stock, but I guess I'm softening in my dotage.

That looks like it could haul a few wagons.

Set 1 - 1920-22 Set 2 - 1922-27 Set 3 - 1928-34 Set 4 - 1934-42 Set 5 - 1942-43 Set 6 - 1949-57 But as noted earlier in the thread, I doubt whether all these liveries were applied.