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44806 carried BR Green also… flickr url / not mine. Black 5’s pretending to be jubilees. The OP was asking about LMS liveries though.

The OP is asking about LMS livery, In preservation ive only seen the above, 3, and 4767 in wartime black, so please share the other 26, 45212’s wallpaper livery doesnt count. most of them are BR lined black, 45337 ran plain BR black for a while. I rather like the idea of Caledonian livery, as suggested on another thread.

Bachmann shells are changeable with each other, but not interchangeable with Dapols, they are assembled very differently.

If it helps, aiui these are the ones that have been LMS livery in preservation (quite a lot actually).. 4767 - 1970’s 5000 - current, and at least 45 years. 5025 - current, >55 years. 5212 - smokebox only, carried 45212 on side, and kwvr logo on tender, early 1970’s. 5231 - 1970’s/1980’s 5305 - 1970’s-1990’s 5337 - M5337 in 1948 livery (occasionally in 90’s) 5407 - FR Red in the 1970’s, then LMS from 1980’s to 1997 5428 - current, and also 1970’s/1980’s subject to other info… Whilst its easy to think LMS lined black is all the same, theres been 3 distinct versions… 5305/5407/5428 with a block style GillSans font 5025 serif style with small LMS lettering 5000/5231 with a serif style lms font with wider large space LMS lettering (apologies I dont know exact font names).

How is it different to your local model shop taking payment for a preorder when it arrives ? I have been saying a while that I think some maybe over extended on pre-orders, and if the ship docks with a container for each manufacturer theres going to be some squeaky bum moments up and down this island. To that end, when I rooted the weeds from my garden in jan, I weeded the same from my preorders, to a level that if everything landed at once, I could afford. The rest i’ll take on merit, or top up my preorders as the list is delivered. Accurascale has by far the best payment terms, and if lump sum invoices are a concern they offer other options. But I will say its unfair to all retailers to wait until the ship docks, then go silent on them.

Not that i’m aware of. I think its always been BR in preservation. The engine went to Butterley for overhaul in the early 1980’s, emerged mid 1980’s in lined black with British Railways on the tender. Ran until the 90’s, I dont see anything after 1992. afaik that was it, until Carnforth bought it and it moved in November 2008, and was returned to steam in June 2010 in plain unnumbered black on test, then 1960’s there after.

I hate to say the modelling word, but options are limited at this point. Even Bachmann spares doesnt have any non-cdl tso bodies left. of the two evils, removing cdl is better then kluging an FO interior, when doing a respray, but its not the worst fakery. TSOs are cheap (£40 on Rails), but climbs to £70 with lights, but FOs with lights are (£50) cheaper. I wouldnt go the cheap BSO route, whilst you could do the chassis mods, a cdl one wouldnt have cdl at both ends on the lighting board, but a non cdl one wouldnt matter, and they are cheap as chips with lights, but… no bodies. Ive bought some cheap s/h drs/scotrail tsos yesterday £35 from Rails, with the May discount, as I had a bunch of IC tso bodies for £20 a while ago. I figured that was my best and last chance to make those bodies into something. I will dump the other bodies. For lighting i’ve bought a 12v led lighting strip and some rectifiers, I reckon it will be c£3 a coach, using wine bottle twine for pickups. I will share my outputs here, I will probably do a 6xxx downgrade too.

Only those with a product code ending DC however you can buy the lighting from Bachmann spares. There are a numver of different boards available.. FO/TSO with and without cdl, and BSO (also with/without), and DBSO which is 3 versions. There is a board for the buffet but dont know why its unique, as its effectively an FO with cdl. The buffet is also a good starting point for gatex stock (adding a window is easier than removing), and swap the seating for FO/TSO versions.., then get funky with the ends using Dapol 73 pipes.

you could always remove the cdl, fit it to your wcrc mk1’s to future proof them. mimicking reality,eventually. but this is exactly what I had in mind…

Cant you just buy a 2nd class interior, paint out the yellow stripe / 1st markings ? Given the oodles of Scotrail /DRS TSOs going cheap i’m surprised no resprays have emerged.

Seasonally in parts of the country they seem to be coming back in a natural way quite regularly.

Thing is its really only the blue grey tso people want. Plenty of Virgin, DRS, Scotrail and IC ones about, inc all types. Doing a run of solo blue grey tsos seems a bit of a waste of a production slot, plenty of better rev potential items they could do instead and let these soak up imo. Personally i’d like to see the preserved Riveria blue greys, so i’m in the same boat, but the others are bargains galore.

6100 was the same at Llangollen, couldnt even do a round trip without water top up. clearly a technical issue, but obviously solvable. But I suspect we will never know.

doh ! I must be getting too old… not only did I know that, ive already bought it too a few months back. But stock alert there.. 3 left dcc ready, 18 dcc sound left.

A Hudswell Clarke canal tank would be very nice. Theres 5 in preservation too. The canal tank made it to PLA docks too.

Maybe the thread needs a cold start in a shed…. 37403 would make a nice model too, just saying.

flickr url, not mine. I understand 46115 is also. Arent the tender wheels same size as the centre wheel of a class 31 ?

Hard sell there.

The whole shape, length and curvature of those noses look different to me. definitely a technical gap between those two. I wonder why they did that ?

If anyones keen, Hornby has 15% off the Black 5 this weekend. Topcashback gives you another 5% And you get points towards a future purchase.

I think thats false to assume the younger generation (10-25) are only interested in preserved railways. The number of sell out unit railtours, coming to End of Life has to be seen substantial… and whilst its often middle aged at the lineside with cameras, on the platforms and onboard its deceptively different.. I’m seeing women, minorities riding these.. it wasnt like that in my youth (trust me I was looking for the women). die hard images of my era really have changed, you can thank the internet for that. But giving an 18 year old a Hornby play-trains set, isnt the way to harvest their interest. As for 25/26/27… Ive only found 1 operational example within 200 miles of me, twice in a decade… and it was the same one both times at the GCR… If I had 500 class 313’s in 00 to sell in Brighton last year, I could have sold 1000, same too for 455’s, indeed just wait until SWR ends theirs, as I do predict a frenzy… its a different crowd of enthusiasts.. and that to me means market expansion potential… To just disregard them and assume they will buy anything old something thrown at them is rude, even if a few exist rotting in some siding erstwhile not seen in a few decades, but labelled as preserved. They’ll just ignore and goto minecraft instead.

Generically speaking… AI will become the help desk 1st line, and quite possibly 2nd and 3rd. Help desk is just ripe for AI. For example, That video could well be used by AI to interpret possible issues, and build its knowledge base on prior site and resolution of other issues. Not only that it could input its results to design of future changes/enhancements by recommending what to do / not to do. The best thing is it will already be categorised into groupings that suit, helpdesk humans often interpret in different ways, and hence falls in the cracks… so those “ omg will they ever fix it” things may start to dissapear. Theres a lot of rubbish out ther about AI, but Help Desk (and any other SKMS) operation is just fodder waiting to be harvested. the days of Help Desks in India, talking to you about last nights TV, trying to convince you they are in Milton Keynes are definitely numbered imo… But AI could convince you they are sitting next door easily enough when doing small talk.

Give it a coal rail tender in BR green 1950’s running as a class mate on Gresleys from King cross, would you still be unenthused ? 😀

Yes but why bother pre-ordering at all ? Theres no advantage, only potential to lose. its not as if were looking at hot cakes, and the oven is full of cakes, indeed the neighbours oven is too… theres hot cakes everywhere. All to often after a month or two they go cold. Wait and see, buy it on its merits.

Thats been true since Bluebell and Talyllyn railway opened. The hobby didnt stop in 1968. It didnt stop in 1997 either.