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  1. I'm pondering the 12 ton capacity. Evidently the volumetric capacity of this wagon is greater than that of contemporary standard gauge wagons by about 40%, just on the basis of the internal width being 9'9" (measuring off Prior's drawing) compared no more than 7'0" for a standard gauge wagon. On the other hand, were the journal sizes much bigger than on an 8 ton standard gauge wagon?


    Looking at Prior's drawing, I note the brake lever across the fixed end, in a style I'm more familiar with from 20th century NER hopper wagons. I think this may have been a typical early way of arranging the brake that simply survived in the North East by continuity from the primordial years!


    Does your wagon want to sit a bit lower on its wheelsets?

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  2. 3 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

    From what I can see, available publications showing GWR loco allocations include the three below. I have not yet come across compilations from earlier dates, more's the pity:


    The data must be out there, since Locomotives Illustrated No. 157 provides allocations for all the Gooch, Armstrong, and Dean 0-6-0 goods engines at January 1902 (te-he!).

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  3. The vows taken by Benedictine monks are not as is popularly supposed, obedience, chastity, and poverty, but obedience, stability, and conversion of life.


    We're seeing the last vow in action here but it's the second I am particularly interested in. To what extent were these locomotives moved around from shed to shed? Can your list of allocations for 1921 be taken as any sort of guide to allocations in, say, 1902? There were many Midland 0-6-0 goods engines that would have met with St Benedict's approval, remaining at the same shed for sixty years or more through successive rebuildings, ending their days as Venerable 3Fs.


    There is something about a steam shed that evokes the cloister or chapter house:




    [NRM DY 2743, embedded link.]


    ... with the Shed Foreman as Abbot?


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  4. 1 hour ago, MikeOxon said:

    Many thanks for the info.  Once I knew what it was, I found a good photo and description at:



    That's the photo in All About.


    1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said:

    Would that be within the loading gauge (with chimney stowed of course)?


    Don't be deceived; these early covered goods wagons weren't very tall. Here's another Leamington photo:




    [Embedded link to Warwickshire Railways photo ref. lnwrave4062a.]


    See how much shorter these iron minks are than the adjacent NE van; the early proto-iron minks were even shorter.

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  5. Just now, MikeOxon said:

    Any thoughts on the rather strange-looking covered van on the left of the photo?


    The photo appears in J.H. Lewis et al., All About GWR Iron Minks (HMRS, 1980) where it is identified as Compressor Van No. 14938. (Incidentally the photo is there dated 1907, which is a bit later than I though.) A December 1903 portrait of the vehicle itself, when newly turned-out, is also given. It started life in 1856 as a sort of primordial iron mink, with roof door (removed in 1879) and big 3'4.5" wheels; as such it was condemned in August 1903, at 47 years; in its rebuilt form it lasted until 1937. Another old van of the same type was converted to a Tunnel Whitewash Van in March 1903, withdrawn 1926. There don't seem to be any photos of tunnels being whitewashed...

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  6. 11 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

    The bridge also features (or rather is being replaced, I think?) in another scene that would make an equally interesting diorama: 


    The bridge being replaced in that photo is the massive skew bridge over High Street and Clement Street. (Still there, though the LNWR bridge on the left is long gone, only the approach viaducts remain.) I think the bridge in the photo with the poster hording is the smaller one over Lower Avenue, at the east end of the station. OS 25" map.


    Purely on the condition of the Dean Goods in each photo, the High Street bridge photo is a few years earlier than the Lower Avenue bridge photo!

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  7. 3 minutes ago, richbrummitt said:

    I spent a while considering where the sun might be and how shaded the side we are viewing was. 


    The photographer is standing in Caversham Road, which runs NNE - SSW at the western end of the yard; the camera is facing roughly SSE. The large building in the background is the GWR Signal Works.


    Here in Earley, the first occupant of the house we've lived in for the last 20 years, built in 1964, gave his occupation as "Signal Engineer".

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  8. 1 hour ago, richbrummitt said:

    One thought: Is it too late to change the colour of the fence to stone?  


    That Vastern Road fence looks too dark to be stone, to me. But it does show that @Mikkel's fence could do with a bit of bashing about - it needs to lean over in a few places.


    But I do find that this extra module gives the complete scene a magnetic personality.

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  9. I take it from the description "Match Wagon" these were intended as runners for overhanging loads? A 20th century innovation, perhaps, as the 1 and 2 plank wagons of the 1870s, that would have been used for the purpose, became life expired? The number on Dave's model is in the right neck of the woods for that.

  10. 13 minutes ago, rprodgers said:

    I am guessing it is an advertisement for a Ewbank carpet sweeper?

    I couldn’t see that particular poster but here is an earlier version




    I hope Dave will forgive me; I only offer the following because when something is so close to perfection one wants to see it get even closer:


    It seems to me that the monochrome Ewbank poster is much more in the style of a newspaper or magazine advert rather than an advertising hoarding poster. It has too much writing. Posters designers had learnt by the Edwardian period to use bold images with the minimum of verbage; I'm pretty sure such posters would be in full colour. Unfortunately the earliest Ewbank poster I can find to illustrate this dates from the 1920s or 1930s.  


    I think the same goes for the Plantol Soap poster. Plantol Soap adverts come in an interesting variety some of which wouldn't pass muster today; others were tending to the risqué. This might be more the thing for station advertising; possibly not this or this.

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  11. By the way, note the difference in design of the height extensions or raves on the wagon on the tippler compared to the two caught in trains above. I wonder if the wagon next to the one on the tippler is also Bradwell Wood? - the raves look more like the ones on the wagons in the trains.


    Also, looking at the wagon on the tippler again, I see that the internal diagonals, where they come through onto the outside face of the solebar, are curved downwards, rather than straight in Gloucester fashion. Another detail that is very visible but I've never (yet) modelled is the catch for the bottom-door release - an RCH standard piece of kit of Midland design. (I think it first appeared with the high-sided side and bottom door wagons to drawing 550, aka D299, dating from 1882.)


    My guess at livery is black, white lettering shaded red, with red diamond bordered white.

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  12. 1 hour ago, airnimal said:

    The Getty photograph of Bradwell Wood wagon was featured in a book on the NLR  published jointly by the National Railway and Science Museums in 1979.


    It also features in G.F. Chadwick, North Staffordshire Wagons (Wild Swan, 1993) as an example of a PO wagon based on the Knotty.


    A very similar wagon from the same firm can be seen in the southbound goods and mineral train in this film shot at Bushey on the LNWR main line in 1897: https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-railway-traffic-on-the-lnwr-1897-online


    Screen shot:




    And another in this northbound goods train on the Midland main line passing the scene of the Wellingborough accident of 2 September 1898:




    So, one of the better-documented PO wagons of the late 1890s!

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  13. 1 hour ago, ChrisN said:

    plus one from, er Bracknell.


    I shall be interested in the rationale for that one! Bracknell is not famous for its collieries.


    2 hours ago, ChrisN said:

    I do have some 5&9 dumb buffered wagons, which I know are the wrong area but I am sure will fit in.


    The 5&9 wagons do very well as generic dumb buffer wagons - you can give them appropriate local / Wrexham / North Staffs liveries. Since there is very little photographic evidence for the exact appearance of specific dumb buffered wagons, the world is your dumb-buffered oyster.

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  14. 36 minutes ago, ChrisN said:



    I assume that wagon is far too late for us.  The Wrexham coalfields supplied coal to mid-Wales so I could get a free lunch as well.


    'Fraid so, it's an RCH 1923 specification standard design with such un-1895 profligacies as oil axleboxes and both-side brakes. Moreover, despite Oxford putting the livery of a 10 ton wagon on it, it's a 12 ton wagon. One of my bugbears. The really big lettering isn't quite the thing either. Have you got a copy of Mike Lloyd's Private Owners on the Cambrian (WRRC, 1998)? That shows that as well as the Wrexham coal field, a lot of coal coming onto the Cambrian was from the North Staffordshire coalfield.


    For 1895, you'll be wanting a goodly proportion of dumb buffer private owner wagons - you're only a quarter of a mineral wagon's lifetime after the introduction of the RCH 1887 specification which required sprung buffers for new construction.

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  15. 17 minutes ago, Siberian Snooper said:

    I used some Micro set and sol and then sprayed the sides with Dulcote.


    Micro set and sol are formulated to dissolve the carrier film on transfers that have such a thing, such as waterslide. I'd not thought of using them with dry rub-down transfers, as I couldn't see what benefit they would bring. So I'm interested to know what difference you find they make. I would always want to varnish over the transfers; when applying them myself I gloss varnish the surface first but I don't think POWSides do that themselves - that may be the root of the problems some report.

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  16. 3 hours ago, Mikkel said:

    That would be nice to see. If you are thinking of a pre-lettered one it might be good to pick it up at a shop or their exhibition stand, if that's practical. The lettering on mine was damaged/peeling here and there, so you could pick a good one. Or alternatively get the transfer.


    I can't say I've had a problem but it is a while since I've had a pre-lettered kit rather than transfers. But between you you and @jwealleans are tempting me to try some more pre-lettered kits. There is demand for anthracite in the West Midlands so some Swansea Vale collieries are on my list.

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