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Can any of you Class 22 followers help by letting me know which of the proposed Dapol models best suits the following class numbers for the 1961 - 1965 period: D6309, D6342 and D6348 Thank you

I was hoping that someone with more knowledge of the earlier period would pop along and add some detail - thanks. What i'd like to do at some stage is plot a time chart showing the periods that different set / coach types worked on the NCR.

Ian The shots of Wadebridge in the 70's, unloved and on it's last legs as a railhead, you almost brought me to tears....

The one*, the only, "An Illustrated History of the North Cornwall Railway" by David Wroe. There's a fair amount on coaches in the book if you dig through the detail. *Ok it's two really - the original and the later revised version i contributed to.

Hi Ian Era does have a role here and the 1930's is out of my normal comfort zone for the NCR. But according to Gould, King and Wroe... In the 1930s there was a cascade of LSWR elliptical roof stock to local services and after 1936 SR sets 7 to 21 were often seen on the NCR. These comprised of a 48' Brake Third and a 56' Brake Comp dating from 1912. In 1936 the 48' coaches were lengthened to 58'. Both were non-corridor. 10 Maunsell D2401 BCKs (6565-74) entered service in 1926 - these were for the ACE and would have been dropped off en-route with perhaps one of the new through coaches making it to Padstow or Bude. These added to the 45 LSWR wooden panelled corridor vehicles already on this duty. ie 18% of the coaches would have been new. Wroe notes that the summer 1930 10.24am (SO) w'loo to Bude was nearly all new Maunsell stock. 50 more Maunsell D2401 BCKs (6585-6604 / 6643-72) entered service in 1930 and these would have presumably replaced the older LSWR stock on the ACE type through services. Also in the 30's Maunsell 3 coach sets (BSK CK BSK) would have started to break through into the region. Sets 179/180/199/200 were formed in 1930 and were initially for the Swanage service but were later diverted on to the WoE services - including runs down the NCR. The LSWR 2-coach local sets were phased out in 1948 and replaced by the Maunsell versions (Sets 22-29 and the previous 1930 / 1935 sets). That a few snippets of what I've found out - hope it helps. For a definitive answer though you'd have to look at the Carriage Working Notices for the period.

Rod I decided to dump info here rather than loose it at home - hopefully some may be useful to others too. I'm in the middle of re-formatting the sheet i did for the NCR book (Appendix 2) which identifies which diagram of coach was in each set. I'm amending it to detail which Hornby coaches can be used - it will be added to the original posting above as a download-able file. You're bob on with the set numbers and all would have had a single vent BCK. The real shame is the lack of a D2113 BSK/BTK - 13 of the sets had these.....

Maunsell 2-set 'R' or 'P’ Compositions Maunsell two-coach local sets were the mainstay of local services on the Padstow, Bude and Bodmin branches and no layout based on these lines should be without at least two sets. The sets normally consisted of a six-compartment brake third (BSK) paired with a six compartment brake composite BCK). Both coaches were to Maunsell designs and, being brakes, were easily distinguished from the later Bulleid and BR MK1 coaches by the guard’s compartment being inset and slab-sided. Maunsell coaching stock was built from 1926 to 1936 and over this time the style and treatment of the doors and windows varied resulting in four distinct body styles or 'patterns'. A knock-on effect was that three diagram numbers were used for the brake thirds (D2102, D2110 and D2113) and two for the composite brakes (D2401 and D2403). Note that externally D2102 and D2110 were identical with only the internal door to the guard being different. The sets were introduced as follows: 1930: Sets 179, 180, 199 & 200 1935: Sets 168, 172, 178, 196, 197 & 198 1948: Sets 22 to 29 1962: Sets 30 & 31 Set 197 was lost to war action in 1941 and the remainder were withdrawn between 1960 and 1964. So far Hornby have produced the first (low window) and second (high window) body styles and I would doubt if they will go on to produce third and forth styles. This means it is not possible to create as RTR any of the sets that contained a D2113 BSK or a D2403 BCK - unfortunately this is all but 7 of them!

Presflos for Slate Dust traffic on the NCR Again supplied from Roger, some notes taken in 1964 of the Presflos used for the above traffic from Delabole. "There was usually one Presflo wagon in each up North Cornwall goods (reaching Halwill late afternoon) conveying slate dust from Delabole to Tonbridge. The white lettering on the side of the bauxite wagon body was as follows ( "/" denotes bodyside rib): / / PR / ES / FL / O / / - 1st row down - large letters D / E / L / A / F / I / L / A - top of 2nd row down S / LA / TE / PO / WD / ER / INB / ULK - bottom of 2nd row down 20T B87334 ................................ 12-18 EMPTY TO DELABOLE S.R." Great info again but 1 problem this time.... the wagon running number. I'm sure it should be a 6 digit number and in which case a digit is missing. The presumption, looking at running numbers in the Larkin books, is that it is the last number that is missing. That would make it part of the 1961 (lot 3361) batch of D1/272 wagons. Whatever the number there is a photo on pg 94 of the revised NCR book which shows 2 presflos passing behind Tower Hill stn in August 1961. These partial body shots support the lettering described above.

BR Std 4 4-6-0 75XXX's on the NCR First snippet(s) regard the short lived use of BR Std Cl 4 4-6-0s on the NCR just before the end of steam. Now i've always understood that the following locos were based at Exmouth Jct and that they saw occasional use on the NCR: 75005 3/64-5/65 75008 9/64-5/65 75022 4/64-2/65 & 3/65-5/65 75025 3/64-5/65 All but 75025 had double chimneys. All had the small BR2 tender with inset coal bunker. It's always troubled me though that photos and actual sightings of them on the NCR were next to non-existant. (I've only seen one so far - a shot of Wadebridge shed with what seems to be a 75XXX in the distance.) So an out of the blue message from a Mr Roger Whitehouse to the following effect was well received yesterday: "On Sunday I forgot to show you the two photos of 75xxx in my North Cornwall index. One is in Heritage Railway no. 61 May 2004, in colour, taken Peter Gray standing on the up platform at Halwill on 31/10/64. 75022 on the crossover approaching on 8.48 Padstow has class A headlamps rather than the SR disc code. A BR 4MT 2-6-4T waits at the down starters with 10.0 Okeh-Padstow (green BR BSK leading). There's a DMU viewed end on in the Torrington bay. The other is on the back cover of Joanes Publications set WC1 in black and white. 75025 pulls away from Cowley Bridge Junction with a train for Padstow on 27/11/64. Again class A headlamps: the train is a BR 3-set with a Southern 4-wheel utility van on the back. Preumably Roger Joanes was the photographer: ref 5732." Thanks to Roger for the note.

I'm going to use this thread as a depository for the more unusual info found out about the old NCR. It's a supplement to the excellent Irwell Press book "An Illustrated History of the North Cornwall Railway". Feel free to add snippets that you feel may be interesting....

Good to see you on here Mr Ross. Will 50021 and 50046 be joining you? You can help only after we've finished your layout, built John's and invested in some sandpaper!

Nice to see you getting in some modelling time - messing with servers must get dull at some point

Been there! Paint drying on a Cambrian Shark only to find Hornby were going to bring one out shortly....

Last week we had the proofs through from Mike Wild at Hornby Mag for the Treneglos article that will be appearing in their 2nd Year Book. He's done a nice job and found a few new photo angles on the old girl. Just had to submit some captions and a few minor corrections. Now all that's left is waiting for publication! October update: I've just spotted the first adverts for the 2nd Hornby Yearbookand it looks like Treneglos will be in pride of place on the cover. The blurb on the Ian Allan website says the book will be out in November. November Update: The Yearbook is now out in the shops and it's good to see the old layout on the front hardbound cover. The high quality paper and fantastic print quality inside really does the layout and Mike Wild's photography justice. Very pleased with the results although the layout plan graphic has the wrong layout dimensions on... December update: Thanks to Mike (and Katy) Wild I now have a CD with the layout photos from the photoshot used in the Yearbook. I have permission to use a small number in low res form on this forum. Watch the TG gallery over the Christmas period.

So how did Warley go Muz???

Good to see a spam with a good load behind it. Now what's all this silliness with those choc and cream coaches????? You're not turning to the dark WR side are you?

Is that 3-links I see?

A sample in a 4mm / 1ft scale pint glass wouldn't get you far :icon_lol:

The power of RMweb - albeit the previous version to be exact.... I asked this question yesterday.... Old site link and by this evening i have a whole series of photos and dimensions without having to waste a whole 500miles worth of fuel. Many thanks to Penlan for the assistance. Goes to show what this web thingy can achieve! A few of Penlan's photos: My sketches: Update 12/11/09 Building starts....

Ooops - I did actually mean to type 3' not 4'. The types of train this would hold include: Loco (Ivatt Tank / O2 / and SR 2 coach P Set Loco (45XX) and WR B Set Single unit (Class 121 / 122) Rail bus Beattie Well Tank and clays N Class and mixed freight Loco (57XX or Class 22) and mixed freight etc All these fit nicely within the 3' turntable length. The best bit is that i can probably run about 20 years worth of locos / stock on the layout ranging from the O2 to the Class 22.

Thanks Russ for the observations - was thinking about the 'seeing into the fiddle' issue myself a few weeks back and trying to work out if it bothered me enough to swap the mainline curve from convex to concave. I think I'll draw up another version in a while to see how it looks. From memory part of the reason for drawing it convex was to angle the lines going into the fiddle away from the viewing side and give a bit extra offset for the 4' turntables i was considering using.

I'm sure i've read this in one of my wagon books but don't recall the answer. I'd be interested in the answer too.

Hi Rich The buildings will be based upon Nanstallon station on the Bodmin - Wadebridge line down in Cornwall. So, LSWR cottage, stone based signal box, concrete platform and SR concrete or WR pagoda waiting room. Plus some small wooden / corrugated iron huts. No plans drawn up yet of the buildings as I'm currently building a pub, bridge and works for a friend's layout. I do however have all the bits needed to build the boards - just time required now.....