roythebus1 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 On 10/05/2021 at 22:23, Christopher125 said: Interesting video this showing a steam-hauled clearance run through Platform 2 at Brading, might be worth trying again at this rate... I was there on that day, standing near the footbridge when the test train came in. the tube car sounded its whistle to signal to the drivers, and the doors open and closed as well! I'd run out of cine film and ordinary film by then and couldn't afford any more. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, roythebus1 said: Wheelchair accessibility is probably the answer. I'm not sure I follow? Neither footbridge will be PRM-compliant, anyone using a wheelchair will need to use the foot crossing at the other end which is being rebuilt with suitable ramps down to track level. 3 hours ago, Zomboid said: I think that if you proposed replacing a bridge with a level crossing you'd get laughed out of the safety review panel committee, or whatever body makes those decisions. You wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on at the hindsight reviews if something did go wrong and someone got hurt. Nothing's being replaced - there was, and still will be, a footpath crossing at the other end of the station which will also give access to the other platform. The footbridge is additional, and won't be needed until passenger trains start serving Platform 2... eventually. The bi-directional signalling could even delay that, if services start off hourly. Edited May 13, 2021 by Christopher125 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Christopher125 said: Nothing's being replaced - there was, and still will be, a footpath crossing at the other end of the station which will also give access to the other platform. The footbridge is additional, and won't be needed until passenger trains start serving Platform 2... eventually. The bi-directional Even temporarily the notion of replacing a bridge with a level crossing wouldn't fly. The old bridge is part of a public footpath isn't it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Zomboid said: Even temporarily the notion of replacing a bridge with a level crossing wouldn't fly. Perhaps, but it's all semantics - the foot crossing will be open and available regardless. Besides, with the stairs of this temp bridge located at the far Ryde end of the platform the foot crossing won't be much further to walk anyway. Quote The old bridge is part of a public footpath isn't it? Nope, the footpaths use foot crossings either side of the station. Edited May 13, 2021 by Christopher125 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Christopher125 said: Perhaps, but it's all semantics - the foot crossing will be open and available regardless. Besides, with the stairs of this temp bridge located at the far Ryde end of the platform the foot crossing won't be much further to walk anyway. Nope, the footpaths use foot crossings either side of the station. Officially, (according to info on another site) the foot crossing is controlled by permission given from the signaller at St Johns to the member of staff at Brading, on request, to use it, who then has to supervise its use. So, unless you turn up somewhat early for your train (which wheelchair and other such users tend to do) you won't be using the foot crossing, unless willing to pick up a fine. Of course, it is irrelevant in the off-peak season, when all trains will use P 1. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Mike Storey said: Officially, (according to info on another site) the foot crossing is controlled by permission given from the signaller at St Johns to the member of staff at Brading, on request, to use it, who then has to supervise its use. So, unless you turn up somewhat early for your train (which wheelchair and other such users tend to do) you won't be using the foot crossing, unless willing to pick up a fine. I've seen the suggestion that permission would be gained from the signalman but it's not clear how this would work - the station is unstaffed and the foot crossing carries a reasonably well used footpath. They could re-route it but I've seen nothing mentioned so far. Quote Of course, it is irrelevant in the off-peak season, when all trains will use P 1. Are you sure? I was expecting trains to pass at Brading all year round. Edited May 13, 2021 by Christopher125 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 15 hours ago, Mike Storey said: Officially, (according to info on another site) the foot crossing is controlled by permission given from the signaller at St Johns to the member of staff at Brading, on request, to use it, who then has to supervise its use. So, unless you turn up somewhat early for your train (which wheelchair and other such users tend to do) you won't be using the foot crossing, unless willing to pick up a fine. Of course, it is irrelevant in the off-peak season, when all trains will use P 1. If it is a Public Footpath as suggested in some of the above posts obstructing it (except perhaps during the actual passage of a train level crossing style, with appropriate legal status) is a criminal offence under Section 137 of the Highways Act 1980. Offenders can face a fine and criminal record. So any staff tasked with say locking a gate across the path between uses would be legally obliged to refuse to do it as an unlawful instruction, or obey and risk ending up in court. Members of the public also have a legal right to take the shortest reasonable route around an obstruction on a public right of way, which then opens up another can of worms. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted May 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Trog said: If it is a Public Footpath as suggested in some of the above posts obstructing it (except perhaps during the actual passage of a train level crossing style, with appropriate legal status) is a criminal offence under Section 137 of the Highways Act 1980. Offenders can face a fine and criminal record. So any staff tasked with say locking a gate across the path between uses would be legally obliged to refuse to do it as an unlawful instruction, or obey and risk ending up in court. Members of the public also have a legal right to take the shortest reasonable route around an obstruction on a public right of way, which then opens up another can of worms. However a lot of rights of way aren't actually rights of way at the point they cross railway land, they're just permissive. It depends on all sorts of complex factors often going right back to the original act of parliament authorizing the railway in the first place. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Nick C said: However a lot of rights of way aren't actually rights of way at the point they cross railway land, they're just permissive. It depends on all sorts of complex factors often going right back to the original act of parliament authorizing the railway in the first place. I think that is a bit doubtful as there are cases where the railway had to put up with bridges over stations etc. where they could not put up ticket barriers because of a right of way. Which as it was actively costing them money every day for ticket staff etc they would have been keen to change if they could. I also suspect that most of the public rights of way would already have been in existence before the railways were built, and changing a short section legally from Public right of way to Permissive right of way seems a bit pointless. As unless you are actively planning to close the right of way at the time there is no real gain, for the railway. Also the MP's scrutinising the bill would presumably ask why do you want to change the status of all the paths if you have no intention of closing them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted May 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, Trog said: I think that is a bit doubtful as there are cases where the railway had to put up with bridges over stations etc. where they could not put up ticket barriers because of a right of way. Which as it was actively costing them money every day for ticket staff etc they would have been keen to change if they could. I also suspect that most of the public rights of way would already have been in existence before the railways were built, and changing a short section legally from Public right of way to Permissive right of way seems a bit pointless. As unless you are actively planning to close the right of way at the time there is no real gain, for the railway. Also the MP's scrutinising the bill would presumably ask why do you want to change the status of all the paths if you have no intention of closing them. As I say, it depends on a lot of factors. I'm no expert, I just know that I've seen signs specifically pointing out that the crossings aren't a right of way and so can be closed at any time - there's one at Medsteand and Four Marks station on the MHR where the bridleway crosses - and the official rights of way map clearly shows the bridleway stopping before the railway. The IOW RoW map isn't clear enough to tell the status of the crossing in question unfortunately... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted May 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 14, 2021 And the presence of a right of way on an OS map is no longer definitive. There is a path across a field near here which the Council intended to make a right of way, even put up the posts for the signs, but no gates or stiles were ever installed and it never actually became a right of way - but it is on the map. There is another nearby which locals say has never been a right of way, but again is on the map. Jonathan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Progress, hopefully - 002 and 003 were back on the network last night doing more runs to Fareham so Network Rail must be happier, and they sound ok in Stuart's video below: https://www.facebook.com/groups/376349029705042/permalink/737316100274998/ Fingers crossed it went as hoped and there are more runs soon. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted May 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 14, 2021 22 hours ago, Christopher125 said: I've seen the suggestion that permission would be gained from the signalman but it's not clear how this would work - the station is unstaffed and the foot crossing carries a reasonably well used footpath. They could re-route it but I've seen nothing mentioned so far. Are you sure? I was expecting trains to pass at Brading all year round. It depends on the service being offered, If the frequency drops to hourly (or increases to every 20 mins) then the passing loop won't be needed. However its important to remember that the railway is not a tourist attraction - it has an important public transport function to full fill and as such I imagine the weekday winter timetable will remain half hourly, the reduction in frequency being in the evenings / weekends. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, phil-b259 said: It depends on the service being offered, If the frequency drops to hourly (or increases to every 20 mins) then the passing loop won't be needed. I was just remarking on the 'off peak season' - aside from Winter Sundays, evenings etc it's half-hourly all year round. Even when they aren't, without passenger information screens it would seem unwise to confuse people by putting Down trains in the Up platform. Edited May 14, 2021 by Christopher125 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 13 hours ago, Christopher125 said: without passenger information screens it would seem unwise to confuse people by putting Down trains in the Up platform. Is it not going to have them installed? Even the St. Albans Abbey branch stations have information screens now, as well as (perhaps even more surprisingly) Sugar Loaf on the Heart of Wales line: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Loaf_railway_station 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said: Is it not going to have them installed? Even the St. Albans Abbey branch stations have information screens now, as well as (perhaps even more surprisingly) Sugar Loaf on the Heart of Wales line: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Loaf_railway_station AIUI only Shanklin is gaining any screens (Pier Head and Esplanade already have them) - one appeared late last year under the canopy next to the taxi rank. 002+003 did another return trip to Fareham last night, that surely bodes well? Edited May 15, 2021 by Christopher125 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 484004 came over on the ferry yesterday, while today 007 was propelled at walking pace by a Unimog to Sandown - it's now being loaded ready for transport to Havenstreet: 483007 at Sandown by Chris, on Flickr 483007 and 484004 at Sandown by Chris, on Flickr 10 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Interesting photo of 004 being moved to Sandown - confirms both signals on the Up line at Smallbrook have disappeared, surplus to requirements? https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=4369870343023514&set=a.192468694097054 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 It seems most stations are now more-or-less complete, Brading being the exception unfortunately. Lake by Chris, on Flickr Shanklin by Chris, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted May 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2021 On 14/05/2021 at 11:57, corneliuslundie said: And the presence of a right of way on an OS map is no longer definitive. There is a path across a field near here which the Council intended to make a right of way, even put up the posts for the signs, but no gates or stiles were ever installed and it never actually became a right of way - but it is on the map. There is another nearby which locals say has never been a right of way, but again is on the map. Jonathan Which is why you should always use the council's official rights of way map if you need to know for sure... The Hampshire one is pretty good, interactive and showing information about each RoW. The island one doesn't seem to be... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, Christopher125 said: It seems most stations are now more-or-less complete, Brading being the exception unfortunately. Lake by Chris, on Flickr Shanklin by Chris, on Flickr My prediction of mid- June for completion of all works does not look so shabby. So, even if the trains had worked perfectly from the off, there would have had to be some significant temporary works, or workarounds, to allow them into service. In a way, Vivarail have let SWR off the hook slightly. But, no matter, the trains seem to be working better now, so we should not be far away from Island testing and driver training...... he says hopefully. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) On 29/05/2021 at 22:17, Mike Storey said: My prediction of mid- June for completion of all works does not look so shabby. So, even if the trains had worked perfectly from the off, there would have had to be some significant temporary works, or workarounds, to allow them into service. In a way, Vivarail have let SWR off the hook slightly. But, no matter, the trains seem to be working better now, so we should not be far away from Island testing and driver training...... he says hopefully. They are pretty much there now, still finishing off Brading but the ramps are nearly done and just needs lighting, fencing and surfacing to complete AFAICT. Anyway, big news today - 484001 has been towed through the tunnel by a unimog, both Up and Down lines apparently. Didn't venture onto the pier though. https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/509569960464053/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/509546340466415/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/355569249197459/permalink/509570217130694/ Edited June 10, 2021 by Christopher125 4 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Meanwhile in South Yorkshire: (camera poked through the hole in the gate at Booths scrapyard, Rotherham for a bit of ex-1938 stock) 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) It's been quite the palaver, but in the next few days the pedestrian structure at Skew Bridge near lake will be lifted back into place - the post below details the night it was removed. Safe to say the access point for the road-rail crane is not one you'd expect... anyone know why it couldn't just trundle along the railway from Sandown (or Shanklin)? https://www.facebook.com/beaverbridges/posts/10151383295919986 Quote This weeks task for the team trackside Isle Of Wight: - Enable access trackside - Remove existing pedestrian crossing - Supply and lay track mats - Construct temporary stone RRAP - Create crane pad trackside - Break out and free ends of the bridge structure - Lift out whole the bridge and transfer to staging point - Secure ends of bridge and RRAP to prevent unauthorised access - Split bridge into 3 sections - Load out for full off site refurbishment ‘It’s not the load you carry that weighs you down, it’s the way you carry it’ Edited June 16, 2021 by Christopher125 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 Just received these, Brading has progressed but completion doesn't look imminent unfortunately. Brading by Chris, on Flickr Brading by Chris, on Flickr 6 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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