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When Go-Ahead took over local management were really expansionist and it was a big success, people would write to the local paper complaining about too many buses on the roads. Back in 2007/08 they even tried running 24/7 on their main routes which was pretty extraordinary.

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2 hours ago, Christopher125 said:

When Go-Ahead took over local management were really expansionist and it was a big success, people would write to the local paper complaining about too many buses on the roads. Back in 2007/08 they even tried running 24/7 on their main routes which was pretty extraordinary.

 

Well, that all changed in 2008 and 2009, when services were slashed and several routes cut, due to subsidy reductions. Also, no free pass holders (the majority of the Island's bus users, I understand) can use Vectis services in peak hours, which is very different to before 2005. Has anything improved since then?

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17 minutes ago, Mike Storey said:

 

Well, that all changed in 2008 and 2009, when services were slashed and several routes cut, due to subsidy reductions. Also, no free pass holders (the majority of the Island's bus users, I understand) can use Vectis services in peak hours, which is very different to before 2005. Has anything improved since then?

 

Mike, this relates to the English National Concessionary Travel Scheme (ENCTS), who set the rules for validity and use. ENCTS passes are not valid before 09:30, Monday to Friday, but there is no time restriction at weekends. Back in 1985/6, when I was driving for London Country Bus Services, passholders were known as "Twirlies". This is because they used to amble up to the bus at 9:15am and ask "Am I too early to use my pass?" It still happens now!

 

Southern Vectis are often criticised for their virtual monopoly, but the truth is that the Isle of Wight could not sustain large scale commercial competition for a variety of reasons. SV are far from perfect, but service levels are generally good. I have personally worked on Christmas Day for several years, providing services for residents and visitors, albeit on a fairly modest scale.

 

Anyway, back at the railway, my current abode is situated roughly between the former stations at Mill Hill and Cowes. There's rarely a time when I pass the site of Mill Hill and don't wish that I could jump on an electric train to Newport and Ryde. Even as a single track stub from Newport the line could have supported an half-hourly service.

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59 minutes ago, Trevellan said:

Even as a single track stub from Newport the line could have supported an half-hourly service.

But if the bus runs every 10 minutes, to how many people would use the train at lower frequency and with their origins and destinations probably further from the stations than they are a bus stop?

 

Certainly the bus provision on the island at present suggests that there's enough demand on the Ryde - Newport - Cowes routes that a train service might be well loaded, but with the fixed infrastructure costs and no other users to contribute to them it might not actually work out to be economically viable.

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1 hour ago, Zomboid said:

But if the bus runs every 10 minutes, to how many people would use the train at lower frequency and with their origins and destinations probably further from the stations than they are a bus stop?

 

Certainly the bus provision on the island at present suggests that there's enough demand on the Ryde - Newport - Cowes routes that a train service might be well loaded, but with the fixed infrastructure costs and no other users to contribute to them it might not actually work out to be economically viable.

One at least, according to the previous post...

 

Boom boom!

 

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1 hour ago, Zomboid said:

But if the bus runs every 10 minutes, to how many people would use the train at lower frequency and with their origins and destinations probably further from the stations than they are a bus stop?

 

Certainly the bus provision on the island at present suggests that there's enough demand on the Ryde - Newport - Cowes routes that a train service might be well loaded, but with the fixed infrastructure costs and no other users to contribute to them it might not actually work out to be economically viable.

 

I don't disagree with your thinking, but traffic levels between Cowes and Newport are horrendous at times. My "if only" comment was to wonder whether rail would have offered an alternative and viable public transport option in more recent times, but that's something we'll never know. As I've said before, it's no accident that the two busiest bus services on the island are those that parallel former rail routes.

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If you presented that formation on a layout at a show, you would be laughed out of the room!  But then you present your 'I think you will find...' card....

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16 hours ago, Christopher125 said:

Interesting video this showing a steam-hauled clearance run through Platform 2 at Brading, might be worth trying again at this rate...

 

 


Wow!  There’s quite a few photos of that test around but I had no idea there was actual moving footage!  Brilliant!

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17 hours ago, John M Upton said:

If you presented that formation on a layout at a show, you would be laughed out of the room!  But then you present your 'I think you will find...' card....


I don’t know if he’s on RMWeb but there’s a modeller called Mark Pretious who has modelled that very train.

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Brilliant footage! Many thanks. Going OT for a bit, it reminds me of when we were about to start running Mark IV's to Skipton, and ..... oops. We had to have three gangs out the previous weekend with angle grinders.

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8 hours ago, Chris116 said:

It says sold on 11 May 2021!

 

Any idea who the seller is? They don’t seem to have any other items. It looks like a scrapyard environment but I notice it says ‘restoration can be arranged at cost.’ So potentially another carriage is preserved? Edit: I thought 483002 had already been scrapped though?

 

In some ways 483002 may be a better basis for a static restoration to LU condition - static restoration would make the mechanical condition less relevant and the fact that it’s been a spares donor means some of the IoW-specific fittings may already have been removed. I’m sure there’s at least one preserved tube train carriage that’s been beautifully restored to mostly original condition but is now displayed in a private garden and used as a summerhouse so I suppose it could end up being used for something like that.

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18 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

A colour pic of the test train.

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The identity of the match wagon is not known.

I'm surprised the origin of van hasn't been identified as the horizontal boarding is quite distinctive.

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7 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

I'm surprised the origin of van hasn't been identified as the horizontal boarding is quite distinctive.

It was one of the LBSCR vans that were used for luggage on the Island. Most likely a D1433 or D1436. 

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3 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said:

Any idea who the seller is? They don’t seem to have any other items. It looks like a scrapyard environment but I notice it says ‘restoration can be arranged at cost.’ So potentially another carriage is preserved? Edit: I thought 483002 had already been scrapped though?

I suspect it was sold to a scrap yard and reported as scrapped by people who added 2 and 2 together and came to the wrong answer. The scrap yard have done a Barry with it and are even hoping to make some extra cash by helping with restoration. The other alternative is that it is a hoax!

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SWR were offering carriages free to a good home, so someone shelling out £32k for a rusted-through shell seems... unlikely.

 

Anyway, the temporary footbridge is now going up at Brading so the old one can be sorted out - quite why it's needed with a foot crossing and no trains for many months is hard to understand, but the views should great....

 

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Brading by Chris, on Flickr

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