RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted May 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 13, 2020 56 minutes ago, Barry Ten said: Not too long, if you just put on a relatively light coat - certainly not hours and hours. And not so long that the cream hardens up and pulls away when you remove the tape. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted May 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: And not so long that the cream hardens up and pulls away when you remove the tape. Are we still talking about masking tape and paint here? Otherwise this sounds painful! 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted May 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, St Enodoc said: And not so long that the cream hardens up and pulls away when you remove the tape. I use Tamiya low-tack masking tape but even then, I take off even more of the tack by peeling it on and off a (non-fluffy) fabric surface. That, plus a good primer, seems to have eliminated the problem of the cream lifting but I've certainly had my share of it. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted May 25, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 Here's trusty old workhorse Winslow Hall again, on a Plymouth-bound stopper. The third vehicle in the 4 coach M set is a C16 clerestory third, commissioned into service today. As with most coach conversions it took me about four weeks, two to build it and two to rescue and restore it from my errors, mishaps and other challenges. More photos of this coach currently in processing. John C. 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted May 26, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2020 'Official' pictures of C16 clerestory corridor third in late 1930s condition. with footboard and bogie steps removed, electric lighting installed, and painted in 1934 > livery with shirtbutton totem and no third markings on doors. Original donor vehicle Hornby, brass sides from Worsley Works (thanks to Mike @Coach bogie for heads up about this addition to their catalogue), replacement ends by Keen Systems with scissors gangway and floating endplates, replacement bogies (no footboards) from Shapeways (thanks to @gwrrob for info on these), transfers by Fox (thanks to Phil @Harlequin for number series). John C. 29 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted May 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2020 That's looking excellent John, Best, Alastair 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted May 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2020 15 hours ago, checkrail said: two to build it and two to rescue and restore it from my errors, mishaps and other challenges. You're not alone in that... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Lovely. Appreciate the effort that goes into coaches - so many things to go wrong - you think you are almost there and then something else crops up. But that looks wonderful. Assuming it was lightly loaded I always wonder how travellers back in those days picked what to ride in as the train pulled in - and walking through a train how to choose a carriage. The differences in interiors and contrasts as you passed through the gangways must have been interesting. And for the enthusiast: hard to choose sometimes. The Great Western never really managed to harmonise their carriage stock and there must have been many 'Do I go for the comfy old clerestory with the rather dodgy ride or the new but more utilitarian bow end stock?' I used to preference anything with opening windows [when that was a thing]. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted May 26, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2020 A few more closer views. (Brave of me I know!) Good to know one's not alone when addressing the challenges of coach building. I've also discovered that posting pics on RMweb on completion is part of the snagging process. For instance, the first pic below showed me that the nearest door T-handle had turned and needed securing. The second showed that the clerestory had sprung up at one end. The culprit was the springy clear inverted u-shape Hornby used for glazing, exerting downward pressure on the roof. The clerestory has been removed, and is now on the workbench while I cut two separate 4mm wide strips of clear plastic to re-glaze it with. (Hate glazing - can't see what I'm cutting! And my steel rule slides around all over it. Many a cut finger that way.) The third cruel close-up pic shows the very nice Shapeways Dean 10 ft bogies in their later guise without footboards. I bought the type that's a direct replacement for the Hornby item, with the same type of split spigot. However, on first fitting them not only did they ride a bit high but they careered off the track at every curve or bit of pointwork while the coach wobbled from side to side. They're made of a much more brittle material than Hornby's plastic so the inevitable happened. I had to use main force to pull them back out, breaking the spigots in the process. So at the moment the coach just rests on the cut down stumps of the spigots. This has solved the riding high issue as well, so the coach buffer level is right again, while a couple of bits of microstrip as stabilisers at the sides of the bogie stretchers has stopped the lateral wobble. This photo also shows the door hinges which had slightly intimidated me. In the end I used little pieces of microstrip, dipped in cyano and pushed through the hinge slots from the back. When set hard they were sliced off flush at the back, and not quite flush at the front (all before priming & painting of course!). The middle ones got in the way of waist lining a bit so I wouldn't bother with those in future, but the others do add something now I know they're there. But to be honest it's only since doing them that it's occurred to me that the Bettabitz/247 Developments D29 I made recently had no representation of door hinges at all and I hadn't even noticed. John C. 18 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2020 Don't beat yourself up too much John as I would say it looks ok to blind man on a galloping horse and something different to everyone else has on theirs. 2 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Bear Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Very nice work, John 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 If it looks as good as this at that magnification then it is going to be fine in real life. The microstrip hinge trick sounds great. I have an etch of door hinges and I keep looking at them and thinking is it worth it... I'm working with Hornby Maunsells in lockdown. they have many of the same features: cream paint, lots of door handles and grab rails. Half way through the paint process I noticed the odd door hinge missing - was that missing on the factory moulding? - and then was reminded to check a door on another carriage which has hinges moulded on both sides of a door.. Yep - three hinges both sides... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted May 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2020 I like the idea of pushing the microstrip hinges in from inside. I made mine from little bits of microstrip but glued them on from the front: However getting them all into some sort of acceptable alignment is a real pain and they're vulnerable to being dislodged until the paint's on. 8 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted May 26, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2020 Last few of the M-set for now (though not necessarily of the C16!). The 'evening sunlight' effect in the second photo is unintentional - it's from a workbench-side lamp I didn't realise I'd left on. And if you think there's a bit of glazing in the first one falling inside the coach, so did I. Close examination and a prod with a cocktail stick revealed it to be just a shadow. Next stage with this M-set will be to replace the Collett bow-end compo with a Slater's E88 toplight, then this train's done. John C. 32 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2020 You have to say that's magnificent. 2 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold checkrail Posted May 26, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Barry Ten said: I like the idea of pushing the microstrip hinges in from inside. I made mine from little bits of microstrip but glued them on from the front: Lovely neat work there. What's the actual diagram of that one? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted May 26, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2020 6 hours ago, number6 said: Appreciate the effort that goes into coaches - so many things to go wrong - you think you are almost there and then something else crops up. Assuming it was lightly loaded I always wonder how travellers back in those days picked what to ride in as the train pulled in - and walking through a train how to choose a carriage. The differences in interiors and contrasts as you passed through the gangways must have been interesting. And for the enthusiast: hard to choose sometimes. The Great Western never really managed to harmonise their carriage stock and there must have been many 'Do I go for the comfy old clerestory with the rather dodgy ride or the new but more utilitarian bow end stock?' Yes, one wonders. So many books about the GWR talk of the innate conservatism of the travelling public and their resistance to innovations, e.g. lack of direct access to compartments from platform, corridor sides with only three doors, open plan seating. As for our generation I guess when we were younger we wanted to sit in the latest, snazziest carriage, but now, on a preserved railway, head for the oldest thing we can see, rather than some boring superannuated BR Mk 1. Yes, sometimes it seems that the GWR had one rule for coaches - never put two of the same together. An exaggeration of course, but the initial concepts of uniform suites of stock - S.Wales 70 footers, 1929 CRE stock, Collett bow-enders, even Centenary stock - never seemed to last longer than first contact with operational reality. We all have different modelling philosophies and priorities, but I'd rather have trains formed of a mixture of coach types - kit-built, converted, bodged - of varying quality of detail, rather than immaculate uniform rakes of Hornby or Bachmann Collett stock. I'm not too bothered if a battery box is in the wrong place, or the paintwork doesn't stand up to a magnifying glass, or even if a door is in the wrong place. For me it's always about impression, atmosphere, flavour across the piece. There are different kinds of accuracy. 23 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, checkrail said: There are different kinds of accuracy. I'm going to chalk that up over my workbench 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted May 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 26, 2020 8 hours ago, checkrail said: And my steel rule slides around all over it. A strip of masking tape on the back will help. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, number6 said: I'm going to chalk that up over my workbench Chalk, so that you can rub it out? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted May 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2020 21 hours ago, checkrail said: Lovely neat work there. What's the actual diagram of that one? It's the C46 Collett 70 foot corridor third, from the Comet kit. I also built a 70 foot brake and have a restaurant car to do. They are nice coaches but looooooonnng. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post checkrail Posted May 27, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 Everyone - well, most of us - like a Castle, so here's Tiverton Castle on an eastbound express. I did hint that the C16 clerestory might make a re-appearance. It's been pressed into service as a 'swinger' on this express, providing extra 3rd class accommodation for returning holiday-makers at a busy period. (Holidays? Busy periods? What were they?) John C. 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold checkrail Posted May 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) Lurking near the back of Tiverton Castle's train for some years has been another old Hornby clerestory. It's had a bit of titivation so far, but nothing drastic. This one will get the treatment in due course, though I may take a break from clerestories for the next coach project. John C. Edited May 28, 2020 by checkrail more info 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold checkrail Posted May 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2020 Now 5041 meets Aylburton Grange coming the other way with a west-bound parcels train. John C. 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinian Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Good to see such varied coaching stock including superb clerestory vehicles. If you want to save some effort remember from 1920s on clerestory glazing was often painted/plated over. 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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