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This is how my triang repaint came out spraying Precision enamel paint.

 

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Here's a very small part of a print of a  C Hamilton Ellis painting - don't think I'm in breach of copyright with such a small area but I'll remove it if requested by a mod.

 

 

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This is preserved tri-composite brake at NRM York last year.  6474 is actually the Southern Railway number it carried from February 1926. It was originally 847 in LSWR days. When it was withdrawn in May 1948 it was repainted in LSWR livery to take part in celebrations for the centenary of Waterloo station along with the preserved T3 class.  The NRM have now restored the coach to exhibition state once more and obviously have kept the "Waterloo" SR number. Rather nice gesture, really. It is 56' and completed December 1903.

 

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Here it is displayed with M7 245 in Drummond livery.

 

 

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And from the other side from ground level in low light.

 

So depending on the light, this is a difficult colour to be sure about. C Hamilton Ellis wrote that ""The colour scheme was without parallel. While the upper panels were officially described as salmon, and were rather like tinned salmon when new, they weathered into a terracotta brown after about a week".

 

 

Having looked at the NRM pics again, I'm now  thinking that white roofs would look the part.  I was going to try a mid grey, on the assumption that white roofs just wouldn't stay white for long.

 

 

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Having looked at the NRM pics again, I'm now  thinking that white roofs would look the part.  I was going to try a mid grey, on the assumption that white roofs just wouldn't stay white for long.

Unless you want them to be in ex-works condition, then some shade of grey would be appropriate.  The longer they had been in service the darker (and 'sootier') the grey

 

Jim

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Re the ex triang Clerestories.  Next stage is the new  roofs.  I cut the centre clerestory section off one roof  with the intention of  fitting the  roof part into the middle of the main roof.   However, the profile doesn't quite match.  I was going to try that on one of the brakes to give a retro "this is what it would have looked like if Triang/Hornby had produced an LSWR coach" look. But I'll use the cut down roof section as a template for plasticard roofs instead.

The compartment coaches are  fairly close to the right shape.

 

Went to a local model railway exhibition today and one demonstration stand  had an O gauge  model of an Adams 0380 class 4-4-0. It was in a green Adams goods livery and the guy who'd built it said he'd used a paint made for yachts as it was the closest he could get to the colour he wanted.  Did look good, maybe as the prototype had 5' 7" driving wheels like the 415 tank,  modifying an Oxford or Hornby model might be worth another look?  It did have solid "steamroller" front bogie wheels. I thought that looked really unusual.. The builder pointed out that solid bogie wheels were something that didn't catch on it Britain, however if you looked at an American loco like a  Union Pacific Big Boy solid carrying wheels would be normal.

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A further R-T-R LSWR possibility.  Now found that  Hornby produced their Terrier in LSWR livery in 2011 as an exclusive club model. A friend on another forum gave me this link to a finished e-bay auction which does have a good picture of one. 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-R3046-LSWR-Terrier-Class-A1X-039-735-039-Collectors-Club-Special-Edition-/191989398867?nma=true&si=IaHFjs73snMB9OzVgwZKkexCCXE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

They must be fairly rare, hadn't come across one before. An option would be to find a cheaper Terrier and repaint it - h'mm.

 

One disadvantage is that they weren't actually LSWR locos, and only had very localised use, on the other hand 734 still survives as W8 Freshwater on the Isle of Wight and had quite a history.

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A further R-T-R LSWR possibility.  Now found that  Hornby produced their Terrier in LSWR livery in 2011 as an exclusive club model. A friend on another forum gave me this link to a finished e-bay auction which does have a good picture of one. 

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-R3046-LSWR-Terrier-Class-A1X-039-735-039-Collectors-Club-Special-Edition-/191989398867?nma=true&si=IaHFjs73snMB9OzVgwZKkexCCXE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

They must be fairly rare, hadn't come across one before. An option would be to find a cheaper Terrier and repaint it - h'mm.

 

One disadvantage is that they weren't actually LSWR locos, and only had very localised use, on the other hand 734 still survives as W8 Freshwater on the Isle of Wight and had quite a history.

 

Terriers were used on the Lyme Regis branch to May 1907, replaced by O2s, which in turn were replaced by Radials 1913-4, but O2s did assist on the branch thereafter.  That Triang cut n' shut conversion I posted will give you a 2-coach set for the branch  from c.1909.

 

So you can justify up to 3 Radials, and an O2, and do a cheapy conversion for coaches for the Lyme Regis branch or some fictional variant.  If a fictional variant, stretch reality to overlap a Terrier.

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We have one of the Terriers in the Ormesby fleet. The livery is very nicely applied, but we find it struggles on the hand made pointwork as Hornby have made the back to backs a bit tight. With outside brake rigging as well we're all a bit loath to start levering wheels backwards and forwards on axles, so it probably doesn't get the use it should. We were given two others with the railway, so we're not exactly underendowed with them.

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Thoughts on LSWR salmon. The starting point was probably slightly lighter than the NRM tri-comp. Then atmospheric pollutants would impact on the varnish, darkening the colour. Then sunlight would leach out the red pigment, so the coach would slowly lighten towards a cream colour.

 

Whatever we ay about Claude Hamilton Ellis as a historian, he did have excellent colour perception. There are two well known paintings by CHE of LSWR coaches. Very different pigment, but they are both correct.

 

Bill

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Kernow O2

 

Please excuse me if this post is slightly off-topic, but a group of LSWR modellers seemed just the place to ask; I model the LSWR in eatly Grouping days, and wondered if any of your ardent pre-grouping LSWR modellers had bought a Kernow O2 in 'Southern' livery, and were now thinking of disposing of it? If so, could you please send me a private message (PM)? I apoear to have missed-out on this version.

Many Thanks,

Andrew

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