RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2017 With 'proper' industrial types now becoming available RTR, I'm interested to know what types of former 'main line' steam locos (ie. those built for and used by any of the pre-Grouping or 'Big 4' companies, or indeed BR) that were sold into industrial or light railway service. Some are well-known, such as the ex-GW panniers sold to the NCB (57XX/8750,15XX) and London Underground (57XX). There was at lease one ex-LMS 'Jinty' sold to the (?NCB?) British Oak Disposal Point at Crigglestone in the West Riding (No. 47445). An ex-L&Y 'Pug' 0-4-0ST was soldto the Turner Paper Mill company at Rawcliffe Bridge, near Goole. There were also the two ex-LBSC 'P' class 0-6-0Ts sold to James Hodson (Millers) Ltd at Robertsbridge (loco was named 'Pride of Sussex) and that sold to Bowaters and named 'Pioneer' (both now being produced by Hattons in the near future). There was also an ex-LNER 0-6-0T (No. 1662) sold (via a dealer) to the steelworks at Cantley. If the search was to be widened to diesels, then clearly there is a plethora of diesel shunters sold out of BR service, but I find the steam loco side of it particularly interesting. There must have been many more examples, what do others know of, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
49395 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 A few NER 964 class locos were sold off into industry, including to the Seaham Harbour company https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/BRITISH-INDUSTRIAL-LOCOMOTIVES/INDUSTRIAL-DIESEL-AND-ELECTRIC/i-DpDSTCh Edit: 9 NER class H (LNER Y7) were sold into industry as well 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2017 Morning Kc One I can immediately think of is 813...port Talbot saddle tank, now on Severn Valley. Google Web site for further gen. Then there's the issue of how long you define usage....for example Worcester's pet 16xx with spark arrestor chimney 1661 was used as yard shunter for a while... Don't know exactly how long....by the scrappie at Briton ferry Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) LSWR Class 0330 0-6-0ST, KESR, East Kent Light Railway, possibly others. LSWR Class 282, "Ilfracombe Goods" 0-6-0, various Col. Stephens lines. LSWR B4 0-4-0T, Corrall's Southampton, Industrial. and (of course) LSWR Adams Radial tank, East Kent Light Railway. SECR 0-6-0s, Classes O and O1, East Kent Light Railway. John Edited October 26, 2017 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 26, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2017 A few NER 964 class locos were sold off into industry, including to the Seaham Harbour company https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/BRITISH-INDUSTRIAL-LOCOMOTIVES/INDUSTRIAL-DIESEL-AND-ELECTRIC/i-DpDSTCh Edit: 9 NER class H (LNER Y7) were sold into industry as well What a superb photo archive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 lest we forget the vast quantities of Hunslet 'austerities' that ended up in industrial use, as well as a number of panniers which ended up with the NCB And if we are extending it to diesels: -Class 17 sold to Ribble Cement -Class 14 sold to various contractors and were used to build HS1 among other operations -Class 20 still in industrial use today, also used to help construct HS1 -Class 08 often used as yard shunters for industrial complexes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Would you believe another ex GWR pannier tank, No 1956, at Sutton Manor colliery St Helens. Built in 1888 at Wolverhampton Photo & info on this fascinating site - scroll down a bit http://www.suttonbeauty.org.uk/suttonhistory/suttonmanorcolliery2/ Also at the nearby Haydock collieries was this ex London Chatam & Dover Rly 0-6-0, built in 1879, bought from the Southern Railway in 1940 Interesting stuff - I might find some more !!. Brit15 Edited October 26, 2017 by APOLLO 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2017 This is the book you want: http://lightmoor.co.uk/books/mainline-to-industry/L9020 The GWR sold off numerous absorbed locomotives after the grouping, and the Metropolitan 4-4-0Ts are well known but a couple of the more intriguing are: A Midland & South Western Junction mogul that went to the Cramlington Colliery Co Four M&GNJR 4-4-0Ts that were sold to the government in WWI, some of which ended up in Scottish collieries. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Ex-L&YR Pugs: 19 - J Mowlem Southampton, named Bassett, later (1933) United Glass, Charlton, name Prince 43 - Penmaenmawr Quarry, 1933, later (1940) Doughty Goole Ferilisers, Lincoln 75 - Cooke & Nuttall paper mill, Horwich 11936 226 - R Frazer & Son, London 1933, later (1934) Conway Stone Co. 399 - A.R. Adams 1934, later ICI Widnes, named Weston 402 - J.F. Wake, Darlington 1932 517 - J.F. Wake, Darlington 1934, then (Pawson Bros, named Hannah, the ROF, Chorley 1940 613 - Turner Paper Co., Goole 1934 614 - Holloway Bros 1937, various sites for contract work. The private railway for the mental hospital at Longridge, Preston bought a LBSCR 0-4-2 tank. Jinties sold to the the NCB numbered three, not one (I think 7383, preserved on the SVR, was one of them). Edited October 26, 2017 by LMS2968 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 A J15 was sold to Baird & Co in June 1938. It went to Scotland under it's own steam and remained in service until around 1960 according to The Green Book. Bernard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dave Searle Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2017 Hi, Some LB&SCR examples that I can think of: Terriers: No.36 Bramley sold to Pauling in 1902 No.39 Denmark sold to Pauling in 1902 No.43 Gipsyhill sold the the WC&PR in 1925 No.49 Bishopsgate sold to Pauling in 1902 No.52 Surrey sold to Pauling in 1902 No.57 Thames sold to Pauling in 1902 No.70 Poplar sold to K&ESR in 1901 No.71 Wapping sold to K&ESR in 1905 No.72 Fenchurch sold to Newhaven Harbour Co in 1913 No.73 Deptford sold to Edge Hill Light Railway in 1920 No.74 Shadwell sold to Edge Hill Light Railway in 1920 Craven 0-6-0Ts No.228 & 229 sold to Alexandra Docks Railway in 1882 D1 No.357 Riddlesdown sold to the Whittingham Hospital Railway in 1947 E1 No.110 Burgundy sold to the Cannock & Rugeley Colliery in 1927 There were also the two ex-LBSC 'P' class 0-6-0Ts sold to James Hodson (Millers) Ltd at Robertsbridge (loco was named 'Pride of Sussex) and that sold to Bowaters and named 'Pioneer' (both now being produced by Hattons in the near future). I think the "P" class were SE&CR not LB&SCR. Cheers,Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 26, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) I think the "P" class were SE&CR not LB&SCR. Quite right, just testing! This is the book you want: http://lightmoor.co.uk/books/mainline-to-industry/L9020 The GWR sold off numerous absorbed locomotives after the grouping, and the Metropolitan 4-4-0Ts are well known but a couple of the more intriguing are: A Midland & South Western Junction mogul that went to the Cramlington Colliery Co Four M&GNJR 4-4-0Ts that were sold to the government in WWI, some of which ended up in Scottish collieries. I shall have to find a copy of that, Andy, many thanks for the reference, looks very interesting. I'm certainly expecting to find a reference to this J72, sold to the NCB in the early 1950s, which ended up at Camerton Colliery : Edited October 26, 2017 by Captain Kernow 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Great Western 0-4-0ST (Avonside SS Type) 1340 TROJAN which ended up at a paper mill near Tamworth and now preserved. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 What about those companies that bought surplus 'mainline' or B.R. locomotives and then hired them out to industrial concerns ? . Probably the best known company was A.R. Adams of Newport. . Adams purchased several redundant B.R. Class 03 shunters, a brace of Class 04s and one or two Class 11 shunters which they hired out to such companies as (i) Alcan,Rogerstone (ii) Monsanto, Newport (iii) Thomas Owen, Ely Paper Mill (iv) the N.C.B.O.E. (v) the N.C.B. . Many of these carried their full BR former livery whilst owned by Adams and hired out. . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2017 A bit tenuous as not really in industrial service, this isn't my photo but shows a Jinty in Germany... OKH-In 10, (presumably former) WD No. 8, photographed in RAW Tempelhof, West Berlin in October 1953. Apparently it had a brake overhaul on May 5th, 1944 at Cottbus I'll dig out my models later as I love ex-mainline locos in industrial service and am slowly collecting what I can. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) LSWR Class 0330 0-6-0ST, KESR, East Kent Light Railway, possibly others. LSWR Class 282, "Ilfracombe Goods" 0-6-0, various Col. Stephens lines. LSWR B4 0-4-0T, Corrall's Southampton, Industrial. and (of course) LSWR Adams Radial tank, East Kent Light Railway. SECR 0-6-0s, Classes O and O1, East Kent Light Railway. John The Colonel Stephens Museum site has lots of good info on ex-mainline locos in light railway service. TERRIERS LNWR COAL ENGINES ILFRACOMBE GOODS (EDIT) and of course the B4s in industrial service on that amazing smugmug site(not my pic, click for direct link) Edited October 26, 2017 by Corbs 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 A bit tenuous as not really in industrial service, this isn't my photo but shows a Jinty in Germany... Pose that alongside the new Dean Goods and you will get the experts really wound up. Stolen rather than sold for that one. Bernard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.A.T.Ford Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Three LNWR coal engines to col. Stephens for the S&M Cecil Raikes from the Wirrel to the coal board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Border Reiver Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 J94 68067 Ex WD to LNER Jul 1946. Sold to NCB Manvers Main Colliery 10 Feb 1963 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 A bit tenuous as not really in industrial service, this isn't my photo but shows a Jinty in Germany... OKH-In 10, (presumably former) WD No. 8, photographed in RAW Tempelhof, West Berlin in October 1953. Apparently it had a brake overhaul on May 5th, 1944 at Cottbus This one, OKH-In 10, (presumably former) WD No. 8, photographed in RAW Tempelhof, West Berlin in October 1953. Apparently it had a brake overhaul on May 5th, 1944 at Cottbus.jpg I'll dig out my models later as I love ex-mainline locos in industrial service and am slowly collecting what I can. I thought all five surviving WD Jinties were returned. Seems not. Further info here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD_ex-LMS_Fowler_Class_3F Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 This is the book you want: http://lightmoor.co.uk/books/mainline-to-industry/L9020 one of my favourites and a very silly price, I'm tempted to get a spare copy, and yes every known sale in there with superb photies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Devil Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 North Staffs L class to Walkden Collieries? http://preservedrailway.weebly.com/north-staffordshire-railway.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOCJACOB Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Further to earlier post LNER J15 7690 from 1885 was sold to Bairds + Scottish Steel 6/38 and scrapped 12/58 Also seen at Coltnesss Iron Works was ex Barry Railway 49 (GWR 712) acquired circa 3/33 And the odd J69 was to be found at Faslane too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narrow Gauge Jordan Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 ex LSWR G6 No 30237 was bought by Redbourne Ironworks in Scunhtorpe in 1949, withdrawn in 1960 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2017 I shall have to find a copy of that, Andy, many thanks for the reference, looks very interesting. You won't regret it. I find it endlessly fascinating - full of all kinds of oddities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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