RMweb Premium JDW Posted December 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 9, 2017 I can well imagine! Apologies if I'm a bit late to the party and you already have done, but have you thought about writing a magazine article(s) yourself with your memories and insight into the APT? I'm sure there would be lots of interest if you haven't already. (And if you have, where can we find them?!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I can well imagine! Apologies if I'm a bit late to the party and you already have done, but have you thought about writing a magazine article(s) yourself with your memories and insight into the APT? I'm sure there would be lots of interest if you haven't already. (And if you have, where can we find them?!) I sort of have already, but not for 'general circulation'. I wrote the first chunk of the book that came with the Rapido APT-E model, and an extended version of that is being serialised in the DEMU Updates, the first part of which is due out before much longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Piewalker Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I've expressed my interest for the 6 car... Eek... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutting42 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I have done a quick look through but cannot find the lengths of the various options for N gauge anywhere other than the full length in OO at 15 feet. I have a Nelevator which allows for a 6' train, will the 10 coach fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted December 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2017 15 feet for the OO one sounds a bit long to me, a Mk4 is around a foot long, APT vehicles are shorter. Assuming 15 feet in OO though, that would be around 7.5 feet in N for a full 14 car set. For the sake of easy maths, lets say 7 feet, which would mean each coach would be around 6 inches long. 10 coaches at 6 inches is 60 inches, or 5 feet Ok, that's a very simple generalisation, and I know some vehicles are different lengths, but I'd say that in N a 10 coach train would fit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted December 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2017 15 feet for the OO one sounds a bit long to me, a Mk4 is around a foot long, APT vehicles are shorter. Assuming 15 feet in OO though, that would be around 7.5 feet in N for a full 14 car set. For the sake of easy maths, lets say 7 feet, which would mean each coach would be around 6 inches long. 10 coaches at 6 inches is 60 inches, or 5 feet Ok, that's a very simple generalisation, and I know some vehicles are different lengths, but I'd say that in N a 10 coach train would fit. I work put the 00 version at just over 12.5 feet. Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutting42 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I work put the 00 version at just over 12.5 feet. Roy Hmm, that would be too long. Need more data. Are the prototype measurements out there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted December 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2017 Hmm, that would be too long. Need more data. Are the prototype measurements out there? But that's the 14 car OO version, so half that for an N version, around 6.25 feet, minus 4 coaches, still well under 6 feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted December 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Hmm, that would be too long. Need more data. Are the prototype measurements out there? Take a look at: https://web.archive.org/web/20080821122335/http://www.therailwaycentre.com/Recognition%20Tech%20Data%20EMU/EMU_370.html Was all I could find. Edit: Note that the figures quoted are for a half set (7 coaches). Roy Edited December 10, 2017 by Roy Langridge 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutting42 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 But that's the 14 car OO version, so half that for an N version, around 6.25 feet, minus 4 coaches, still well under 6 feet. Ah ok I thought you meant the 10 car version was 12.5. I understand now. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutting42 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Having thought about it some more, the 14 car set is the financial sweet spot and I can build my own configurations to fit the Nelevator or I can use the bypass tracks to store it. Time to commit I think. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aptp Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Was all I could find. metric lengths of each coach can be found here - http://www.apt-p.com/APTPVehicleSpec.htm Rob 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 metric lengths of each coach can be found here - http://www.apt-p.com/APTPVehicleSpec.htm Rob If anyone would know, you would Rob. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted December 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just looking at the diagrams found by clicking the individual vehicle types in Rob's link, I wondered (I know, I need to get a life!) why the TU has 2 aisle seats missing in the centre? The layout is similar to a TF but with those two and a further 2 end seats missing - the end two replaced with a space marked what looks like "Waster Point", whatever one of those might be...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aptp Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 "Waster Point", whatever one of those might be...? It is a "WAITER POINT" Sorry the scan isn't too clear. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aptp Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Whilst on the subject of seating layouts here is something that has been puzzling me for a while now - what is the meaning of the colours of the seats in the diagram attached (first, second, smoking / non, facing etc I tried them all) Thanks in advance Rob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted December 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2017 Hmmm, interesting, the first thing that comes to mind is something to do with groups if it's a demonstration run, maybe allocated seating for certain groups/organisations. That said, the date/time slot at the bottom suggest it was a regular (or at least on more than one occasion) occurrence. Something else to do with seat reservations, staff guidance on the order that seats should be reserved maybe? Red ones first, then yellow, etc...? Seems a bit of a stretch though. Maybe it was an early diagram of the colours of tartan to be used on each seat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Even weirder is that it's not symmetrical, most of the colour codes in one set are different to the matching vehicles in the other set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Could they be seats in the allocation of a particular reservation office i.e Glasgow Central, London Euston, and intermediate calling points? Say red for Glasgow, blue for Euston,etc. Remember that there was not a computerised reservation system so each reservation office needed specific seats to reserve. When the allocation was all used, it needed a phone call or teleprinter message to get seats released from another office’s allocation. Just a thought. Edited December 12, 2017 by mikeharvey22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted December 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2017 Even weirder is that it's not symmetrical, most of the colour codes in one set are different to the matching vehicles in the other set. In the main they are symmetrical, in that the blocks of colours are the same working in from each end, apart from the red in coaches G and H mirrors the yellow in E and F, and some of the solid colours in one set are mirrored by blue/white or green/white on the other (eg seats 17-20 in the driving cars). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Erm, that's what I meant about them not being symmetrical.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted December 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2017 I think we're saying the same thing in different ways! Say it is to do with reservations, I wondered if all the green zone seats for example are for one group/booking office, but the green and white ones are maybe "maybe's" or "priorities", "use first/last", "might not be needed" if its a group booking plan or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aptp Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) More evidence that it is something to do with the allocation of seats comes from the fact that the sheet appears in the 'Boarding Pass Kiosk' in the BTF's Round Trip to Glasgow film. See still here - http://www.apt-p.com/APTPBoardingPass.htm I have attached it too as my website seems to be offline again :-( Rob Edited December 13, 2017 by aptp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 The chart must have been developed after the inaugural run on 7th Dec 81 as there wasn't a ticket kiosk as such, just two BR inspectors checking tickets standing by the barrier. The tickets were different colours too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I think we're saying the same thing in different ways! Say it is to do with reservations, I wondered if all the green zone seats for example are for one group/booking office, but the green and white ones are maybe "maybe's" or "priorities", "use first/last", "might not be needed" if its a group booking plan or something. I think that the hatched blue and green ones are just another colour code. Easier than having say a pale blue or a pale green which could be less easy to discern in platform kiosk with 1970s tungsten lighting. Though I am not sure of the relevance of kiosk staff needing to know who was booked from where. Anyway maybe Glasgow = green, Motherwell = hatched green, and so on. When I worked with these charts on simpler trains they were copied black and white sheets coloured in with a crayon to show our allocation and marked with a large X for a seat booked from our allocation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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