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Retooled class 47 in 7mm scale

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Heljan have today announced a retooled class 47 will join there line up, release date of 2019 expected. Early and later variants to be catered for.

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I really hope they get the front right. If they do, I’m in for at least one

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I do like most of Heljan rtr but it’s got to be the jltrt 47 for me, not a fan of the 40 or the deltic either, all the rest are good and I have most of them.

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CAD shots now on Tower’s site. Face looks improved compared the the original tooling but still some work to do: their CAD person does seem to have a general dislike of curves!

 

http://www.tower-models.com/towermodels/ogauge/Heljan/locos/class47/index.htm

 

just took a gander at the CAD and that cab front looks rather flat

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just took a gander at the CAD and that cab front looks rather flat

 

.....and there was me thinking it looked pretty good!!

 

...hard to tell until you see the actual model.............

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.....and there was me thinking it looked pretty good!!

 

...hard to tell until you see the actual model.............

I hate to join the Heljan front end critics but I do agree the 47 front just looks wrong. Ben please sort this out it could be a good model.

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.....and there was me thinking it looked pretty good!!

 

...hard to tell until you see the actual model.............

Agree, it looks like a 47, more than the last, hopefully it will be slightly curved on the front rather than flat, but I will be buying just 1

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Given the issue with the original was the front, then there isn’t much point retooling if it isn’t right but totally agree that one image isn’t enough to tell much.

 

I’ll e mail their new chap on here and see if they are open to sharing clearer images for comment.

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Given the issue with the original was the front, then there isn’t much point retooling if it isn’t right but totally agree that one image isn’t enough to tell much.

I’ll e mail their new chap on here and see if they are open to sharing clearer images for comment.

That would be great. If right, I might get 2. I have a Depot to fill

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Given the issue with the original was the front, then there isn’t much point retooling if it isn’t right but totally agree that one image isn’t enough to tell much.

 

I’ll e mail their new chap on here and see if they are open to sharing clearer images for comment.

 

Having looked again at the CAD it does actually look too flat on the front where very subtle curves are needed.

It is obviously difficult to tell from the CAD but if comments can be raised with Heljan then hopefully it can be enhanced/corrected?

It is the difference between selling loads and taking over the market or just being average and not selling so many (hopefully the former)

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I did speak to Ben and CADs are still being worked on so to be fair, let’s wait and see how they end up.

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On Hattons the 47 is shown selling at a shade under £600 still £100 less than the ex JLTRT kit however in this case if the shape wasn’t right I would go through the pain of making the kit, don’t ask why, so I hope the 47 looks spot on face wise, the rest I’m not too bothered about.

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Just had an idea but not sure if this is legal. If I buy a new one, am I permitted to make a cast of the front for personal use, to graft onto the original?

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Just had an idea but not sure if this is legal. If I buy a new one, am I permitted to make a cast of the front for personal use, to graft onto the original?

Do what you like, just don’t sell recasts

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I wonder what the underslung tank options are. Would be good if they came with removable tanks as there were so many variations, and of course, the 2 I want are rather lacking in tanks underneath

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According to the Heljan Facebook page the new issue of Model Rail has a 2 page spread on a poll to decide which livery Model Rail will have done as an exclusive release.

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Cab mock up on Heljan’s Facebook page. You can’t read too much into one photo but looks promising.

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Agreed it’s a good start, going to be an expensive year 2020 if the 56 looks good to.

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In the interests of constructive criticism (and it is hard to tell fully from the Facebook photo due to shadowing) but isn’t there too wide a ‘shelf’ appearing under the front windows?? There of course should be a little ‘shelf’ but it just looks too wide/ie is too prominent in the photo. If that is the case then hopefully it can be corrected as otherwise there was little point in retooling it. What does everyone else think?

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2 hours ago, deltic17 said:

In the interests of constructive criticism (and it is hard to tell fully from the Facebook photo due to shadowing) but isn’t there too wide a ‘shelf’ appearing under the front windows?? There of course should be a little ‘shelf’ but it just looks too wide/ie is too prominent in the photo. If that is the case then hopefully it can be corrected as otherwise there was little point in retooling it. What does everyone else think?

Someone has pointed this out on the Facebook page and Heljan have responded the measurements have been checked and it may be exaggerated by the lighting. I'm sure better photos will emerge.

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1 hour ago, Hal Nail said:

Someone has pointed this out on the Facebook page and Heljan have responded the measurements have been checked and it may be exaggerated by the lighting. I'm sure better photos will emerge.

Thanks for your reply....

 

That is interesting that someone else has independently queried it too....oh no....??

 

I am somewhat worried because when you now look back at the CAD images earlier in the thread you can see this big bulge/wide shelf below the cab front windows.

 

Strange that Heljan say it correct?? as it certainly doesn't look correct to me and they have been good at shape issues in the past. I think we need to see some better side/corner shots. Did anyone take any? I must admit I didn't notice the small class 47 cab mock up at Telford on the Heljan stand - maybe I am going blind! or maybe I was distracted as I had my 2 children with me!!

 

Anyway the jury is out somewhat until we see a side/corner cab shot but I am somewhat concerned. We all just want a top notch 47 - then they will sell loads otherwise it is a wasted effort. If it is wrong I hope they have the sense to correct it.

 

Photos anyone?

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There is a reply from Heljan over on the 4mm class 47 equivalent hidden amongst a load of chat around not mixing up threads :)

 

Basically that isn’t the final shape.

 

 

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