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Talking to that person I would say not, as the bunker on the Rails model is smaller than the Hornby one (they have both, so hopefully a modified version will appear soon) No I don't know which one is the correct size, but I have my suspicions.

 

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Yes it is..

 

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it is much more pronounced on one side than the other..

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There is a good 1mm on one side, 0.5 on the other.

 

i note there are two screws under the tanks at opposite sides, ive loosened them to see if it releases the pressure..

 

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it does not, the body is glued to the chassis, and it is rigid, without a full dismantle, straightening it isnt going to be possible.

 

I suspect I have found the root cause however...

 

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the chassis has a neomagnet piece, wired to the blanking chip. I cannot figure its purpose, however it sits in a void specifically created on one tank side... to put the magnet in, requires placing it first, before reassembly of the chassis, however, being magnetic it instinctivly attracts to the motor top..., placing it in the side in itself is insufficient, it is not retained and its quite powerful... so it moves.

 

To add to the complexity, its wires, and the motor wires are quite tight around the shell... replacing the chassis, without snatching the wires and dislodging the magnet took several attempts... attempts which it is very much human nature to give it a squeeze... The only point that can happen is holding it on the boiler or cab roof, as theres lots of detail elsewhere. That squeeze would manifest the pressure exactly where the bow is in the frame... and opposite bow according to the tank screw positions at the end of the tanks, hence the distorted warp.


Sorry for the bad news ! I’d be interested to see if its just mine.

 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

Sorry for the bad news ! I’d be interested to see if its just mine.

 

The issue is now under investigation up at Rails.

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41 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

the chassis has a neomagnet piece, wired to the blanking chip. I cannot figure its purpose,

 

Yes, that's the pre-wired sound speaker which sits in the tank side.

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1 hour ago, adb968008 said:

Sorry for the bad news ! I’d be interested to see if its just mine.

Mine is similar, not quite so bad.

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1 hour ago, adb968008 said:

placing it in the side in itself is insufficient, it is not retained and its quite powerful... so it moves.

The speaker should be stuck to the inside of the tank by a black sticky O ring around it. This seal is important if you are using it for sound.

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1 hour ago, Nile said:

The speaker should be stuck to the inside of the tank by a black sticky O ring around it. This seal is important if you are using it for sound.

Nothing sticky on my ring, its just loose, but it attracts very strongly to the motor (its a neo magnet).


I was wondering if having such a strong magnet close to the armature would affect performance, or strain in the long term, but it runs fine
 

Starts up at 0.03a peaks at 0.1a in the range of its peers.

 

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if anything its improved it..
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The trick to assembly, is place the magnet first (yellow) , then pivot the edge of the DCC blank under the lip of the tank (red),  next ensure the flickr is free of the firebox (green), then the front drops in but make sure the wires are under the boiler(blue). Its not the easiest easy fit, but its not too hard.
 

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3 hours ago, BlueLightning said:

Talking to that person I would say not, as the bunker on the Rails model is smaller than the Hornby one (they have both, so hopefully a modified version will appear soon) No I don't know which one is the correct size, but I have my suspicions.

 

Gary

 

I got an update on this from someone that has both models, and drawings of the class, turns out the Rails version is too short, it's only 1mm out, but the whole loco is short by a scale 3"

 

LBSC Terrier length 23ft so 92mm in 4mm
Hornby Terrier 92mm
Rails Terrier 91mm

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4 minutes ago, scots region said:

Aww, dang it. 

 

I know, biggest error ever :jester:

 

I only mention it to update my comment about the coal rails for the Hornby model potentially not fitting the Rails / Dapol one

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2 minutes ago, BlueLightning said:

 

I know, biggest error ever :jester:

 

I only mention it to update my comment about the coal rails for the Hornby model potentially not fitting the Rails / Dapol one

 

The bent footplate is gonna be more of an issue though. Plus today my DP2 from eBay arrived and while the model is as described, its worth at least £40 less that what I spent on it. 

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4 minutes ago, scots region said:

Plus today my DP2 from eBay arrived and while the model is as described, its worth at least £40 less that what I spent on it

 

We don't need other irrelevancies in the topic.

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3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Nothing sticky on my ring, its just loose, but it attracts very strongly to the motor (its a neo magnet).


I was wondering if having such a strong magnet close to the armature would affect performance, or strain in the long term, but it runs fine
 

 

 

 

Thanks for the useful post, I had no idea it came with a pre-fitted speaker.  Of course, if the speaker is of no use, it can be snipped off and left in the loco's box. They are normally easy to re-solder again.

 

If it is, then as Nile says, it should be stuck into place. A loose speaker sounds like........ 

 

I have two coming to me now, one with sound, one without and I've seen a few photos with bent running plates. A little worried really but we'll see when they arrive. 

 

 

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My late BR one arrived today too. An absolutely adorable model IMHO despite a lot of the comments here. (No sign of any bowed footplate too.) The sole thing that disappointed me is the lack of sprung buffers, a feature the lack of which I know some don't mind. (I accept sprung buffers are purely a personal preference and I had assumed it would have them like the B4 from Dapol and the P from Hattons, though I now see the terriers were not advertised as such.)  I look forward to the remaining three I have on order. I may even order a fifth one though I am also keen on a couple of B4s too, so it could be an expensive time.

Jeremy

p.s. I had already pre-purchased a Dapol Imperium Next-18 chip for it - are there any differences between the settings on a separately bought chip versus the factory installed ones? I ask as the manual implies that the factory installed chip is factory programmed and locked to the factory settings.

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5 minutes ago, JeremyKarl said:

My late BR one arrived today too. An absolutely adorable model IMHO despite a lot of the comments here. (No sign of any bowed footplate too.) The sole thing that disappointed me is the lack of sprung buffers, a feature the lack of which I know some don't mind. (I accept sprung buffers are purely a personal preference and I had assumed it would have them like the B4 from Dapol and the P from Hattons, though I now see the terriers were not advertised as such.)  I look forward to the remaining three I have on order. I may even order a fifth one though I am also keen on a couple of B4s too, so it could be an expensive time.

Jeremy

p.s. I had already pre-purchased a Dapol Imperium Next-18 chip for it - are there any differences between the settings on a separately bought chip versus the factory installed ones? I ask as the manual implies that the factory installed chip is factory programmed and locked to the factory settings.

 

If it is a plain DCC chip, there should not be any difference. Only one is prefitted and the other requires you to pre-fit it. Both will have loco number set to 0003 by default for which the end user to change to the number of their desire.

 

Glad to see yours arrived in perfect ship shape.

 

Sprung buffers are probably hard/impossible on the terrier due to a major part of the buffer shank going above the running plate. 

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If it is a plain DCC chip, there should not be any difference. Only one is prefitted and the other requires you pre-fit it. Both will have loco number set to 0003 by default for which the end user to change to the number of their desire.

 

Glad to see yours arrived in perfect ship shape.

 

Sprung buffers are probably hard/impossible on the terrier due to a major part of the buffer shank going above the running plate. 

Thanks for the quick reply. I was surprised by the language of the manual as I had assumed no difference re chip settings too. I normally prefer to fit my own chips - it's an excuse to look inside if nothing else.

 

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