Barnstaple Quay

[AdeMoore]

Thought I’d share the beginnings of a long term project.

A 00 gauge layout based on Barnstaple Town, I’m a relative new comer so all advice greatly received.

My topic here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/136536-estuary-coastal-layout-based-on-southern-railway-barnstaple/page-2 has sown the seeds.

Been a S&D fan for more years than I care to remember but more recent holidays to the Padstow and the Ilfracombe area have swung my interest to Southern, well more Southern than the S&D which was a fair bit Southern.

So as you’ll see from the above link I decided to go for it.

If you see my Wantage Tramway No. 5 topic you’ll see I was seriously ill in the beginning of the year and I took ownership of my sons extended oval 5ft x 3ft roughly on 2 boards. Just as an interest indoors to keep me ticking along and recovering. After a lapse of 18 years doing any modelling.

 

 

 

 

WTW no. 5 Jane scratch build was a big ask for a first build and I’m certainly struggling with it, so a change of focus to this will help I’m sure and I’ll return to it.

 

So the little oval track has always had running reliability problems, I’m rubbish at laying track!

So a 2 coach max 3 coach train was the limit.

Last Christmas Santa brought me this.

 

 

Good intentions to start on Masbury S&D with a nice Westcountry! The Jane build continued and spare time at a premium thoughts of a bigger layout were a long way off.

Then come the end of November a holiday at The Saunton Sands Hotel near Barnstaple finally set me off in pursuit of this layout.

I thought an N class would be a great asset based on this photo.

 

 

Then I needed some Southern stock as all I had was LMS so I put out a call which was answered, I had no idea but BR M1s was what I was after so I was informed.

So our favourite auction site was studied and soon some cheap triang headed my way they’ll do for now.

They’re pretty good for a fiver each including post. 2 restaurant coaches though unfortunately.

 

So a quick bigger layout to run on was my want over Christmas, very quick actually I wanted to get something together in a few hours. The only space was the garage so the car out I started it took probably 4 hours in two sessions. Take down and rebuild between each.

 

 

 

I thought ok split the boards of the oval and lay 2 x 8ft sheets in between! I had these spare for years after a shower build I did. It’s the waterproof ply faced on both sides, not ideal but free.

The 8 trestles I bought £4.99 each from Homebase. I snatched screenshots from a time lapse I did of the build.

 

 

Just iPhone photos so the white board is a bit much for it to deal with!

 

 

That was most pleasing to see the N and some green MK1s behind it. Though the radius of the curves and the curved points it didn’t like so those will be coming out and a FLEXI track curve installed.

 

Santa brought me the Station and signal box from Barnstaple Town thanks to son Jack.

http://lcut.co.uk/index.php?product=B%2000-04&title=B%2000-04 Closest I could find need to fettle the recess out to make a flat front.

The signal box on the end of the platform closest I could find was this https://www.inthegreenwoodlaser.co.uk/collections/oo-gauge-modelling/products/sb002-signal-box-type-2-oo-gauge-laser-cut-kit

These are the buildings today.

 

 

Archive from Bude_branch off my other topic and Google images.

 

Today started on the signal box need a brick panel where the cross is, any ideas best way to do that?

Another window needed crossing side. Steps wrong also debating changing or not. 3 arches to the locking room? One shown on the box and website, 2 on the prototype.

 

 

That’ll do for now.

Cheers

Edited March 17, 2021 by AdeMoore

[treggyman]

Hi

 

A good start....

Looking interesting so far...

Will follow with interest....

 

Cheers Bill

[AdeMoore]

On 30/12/2018 at 20:15, treggyman said:

Hi

 

A good start....

Looking interesting so far...

Will follow with interest....

 

Cheers Bill

Thanks Bill it’ll be a slow burner.

 

 

Made a start on the mortar and bricks painting.

Cheers

for ref. Added 16/02/2020 as couldn’t find it at first.

Newly found link on the Greenwood box 

Website £5.75 Here

 

Edited February 16, 2020 by AdeMoore

[AdeMoore]

So Christmas fun with my new N class and coaches done. Time to plan.

I’m gonna have to stretch history a bit as my period late fifties early sixties the track layout was just a single line. So for interest my track plan will be this.

 

 

 

From here http://www.trainweb.org/railwest/railco/sr/barn-town.html#Town to zoom and see it better reproduced.

 

This find is interesting the 1935 track layout above appears little changed from this ?1898? film

 

I’ve already researched the Taw viaduct, river Taw is 1756mm wide in 4mm scale 134m actual bank to bank. So my hope of even modelling the river to scale width is a none starter!

I would like to go from the Taw viaduct to Pottington signal box compression will be needed, a roll of lining paper will be coming out next to draw up a likeness.

 

1892 to 1914 OS those below still about the same as 1935.

 

Until next time.

Cheers

.

[chris p bacon]

WTW no. 5 Jane scratch build was a big ask for a first build and I’m certainly struggling with it, so a change of focus to this will help I’m sure and I’ll return to it.

 

 

A big ask...that's an understatement, You've done really well to get as far as you have. Have a break from it and come back to it at a later date, after all the best way to eat an Elephant is one bite at a time. . .with brown sauce of course.

[AdeMoore]

A big ask...that's an understatement, You've done really well to get as far as you have. Have a break from it and come back to it at a later date, after all the best way to eat an Elephant is one bite at a time. . .with brown sauce of course.

Dave as it happens I do love brown sauce! Trouble is I’m to eager to see something finished and it all takes far to long for someone as impatient as me! Once I’ve got the station buildings done I’ll mount them on the first board once I've built it! Then I’ll decide which way I’ll head with it east or west. Looking forward to building the curved viaduct though.

Cheers

Ade

[RailWest]

So Christmas fun with my new N class and coaches done. Time to plan.

I’m gonna have to stretch history a bit as my period late fifties early sixties the track layout was just a single line. So for interest my track plan will be this.

 

ECC50D75-BEBD-492E-A407-4689C42FF73F.jpeg

 

 

From here http://www.trainweb.org/railwest/railco/sr/barn-town.html#Town to zoom and see it better reproduced.

 

This find is interesting the 1935 track layout above appears little changed from this ?1898? film

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Ah, I see you've found my notes on B Town :-) One of my New year resolutions is to try and write up more of the missing detail, but we all know what happens to NYRs.......

[AdeMoore]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for looking in, excellent resource you have put together there, most of it Witchcraft to me talking signaling, obviously a pet subject of yours.

Hope you didn’t mind me sharing it? I’ve now only zoomed in and seen the ©️At the bottom of the page and your email address. Which I would guess was a means to gain permission to share.

The advertising on the page threw me a bit, it didn’t give the feel of a copyrighted website, but no excuses I didn’t really look that hard.

So apologies for sharing without asking.

Until next time

Cheers

[RailWest]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for looking in, excellent resource you have put together there, most of it Witchcraft to me talking signaling, obviously a pet subject of yours.

Hope you didn’t mind me sharing it? I’ve now only zoomed in and seen the ©️At the bottom of the page and your email address. Which I would guess was a means to gain permission to share.

The advertising on the page threw me a bit, it didn’t give the feel of a copyrighted website, but no excuses I didn’t really look that hard.

So apologies for sharing without asking.

Until next time

Cheers

No problem at all, that's the whole point of putting the stuff on the web so that the information can be shared with others who are interested. The © is merely against those naughty few who plagiarise the contents for their own (commercial) purposes.......

 

Yes, it's a pity about the advertising, especially as it doesn't always work as the web hosts intend, but it's a "necessary evil" in return for getting free hosting :-)

 

Although B Town (ignoring the L&B side) was rather limited in terms of what you could do with it as a model other than run trains through it, I always thought it was an ideal candidate for a 'shelf' layout - long but thin - tho' I would certainly not attempt any Taw viaduct myself !

[RailWest]

I've done a bit more updating to my B/Town web-page now, tho' probably nothing of relevance to your model.

 

A bit late now, I know, but reading back thru' the thread I would suggest that the SB kit which you've used is more akin to Furness Rly design - see https://signalbox.org/gallery/lm/greenroad.php - and possibly derived from an Easterbrook design. The 'nearest' equivalent to it in this part of the world was probably the first box at Portishead.  A more accurate match in terms of style would be the Kernow 'Bude' model, which was the correct L&SWR Type 4 style, albeit taller and with the door at the wrong end so it would need some butchery.

[AdeMoore]

Cheers Chris I’ll take a look tomorrow.

As for the box it’s on the back burner at the moment as I’m currently back on making the motion for Jane.

i looked at Mike Meg’s technique for making model bricks with Yorkshire Tea box card here https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/12664-hessle-haven/&do=findComment&comment=394354

I just couldn’t master the scribing after half a dozen attempts.

So Scale Model Scenery English Garden Wall Bond wrap I think I’ll try next.

Your link is pretty bang on, but I’m sure I can change it to match the Barnstaple Town Box.

Thanks for the post.

 Cheers 

Ade

[AdeMoore]

I posted this in James (Edwardian) Topic but worth keeping for info here.

Also of note Phil I think it was put me on to the Network Rail Media House where they hold a lot of archives, I’ve been in email contact with them as initially there was nothing they had uploaded of Barnstaple Town .

The kind people there found some plans and kindly uploaded them for me, well everyone as it’s a pay for service to get copies of said plans, link below.

https://nr.mediastorehouse.com/non-operational-railway/barnstaple-town-station

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/141481-barnstaple-town/&do=findComment&comment=3479217

 

[AdeMoore]

Not an update as such! But.

 

 

Also Fathers Day present from Jack and Ada-Jane!

Oh yes, first flick through it’s pretty amazing the info between those covers.

 

 

So I think a bit of 009 will be making an appearance.

with that in mind,

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Heljan-Lynton-Barnstaple-Railway-760-Exe-/123797974607?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

tempted!

Although,

 

Do fancy a 3D printer been reading a lot in those pages.

Downloaded Any Rail today to have a play.

Potentially I have a space 2.58m x 2m for the layout so not huge more thoughts soon.

Also just up the line from Barnstaple Pete is building Ilfracombe worth a look and a follow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RailWest]

A word of caution - if you are thinking about buying a Heljan Manning Wardle, then I suggest that you read all the comments about them on the web first, as they are very much a bit of a mixed bunch in terms of running reliability. I don't suppose for a layout of B/Town it would travel very far, but some versions of them have proved temperamental on curves and pointwork :-(

[AdeMoore]

Hi Chris thanks for looking in and your advice.

I was abreast of things Link. Various modes turn up on eBay.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F283518378977

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273891870796

these two from the second batch still with problems though as reported in the topic I linked to.

Listings turn up daily so I imagine a lot are with problems the owners can’t solve or feel done after buying a lemon!

ill keep low bidding and searching options including the 3D option.

 Cheers 

All comments welcome.

 

[AdeMoore]

Had time to come back to this this evening.

I was using PVA glue as the instructions advised but sawing the steps off she disintegrated!

so seeing Larry”s method here Link contact adhesive and  UHU I followed that, apart from the stringy nature of the contact glue it works well. 

I found this interior photo on the net.

 

it shows the back internal wall to be painted brick.

So I rescued one of my better attempts with the Yorkshire Tea card scribed brick pieces and stuck that on the previously blank ply upper section. I do have an unprotypical step in the wall there but bringing it level would put it over the widow I previously cut out. But with the range etc it will be largely hidden and probably never seen through the windows anyway.

This maybe recapping but I’m not happy with the brick work especially the corners so have downloaded some Scalescenes stuff and going to try wrapping it in that, I’ll be looking at Kevin’s Little Muddle thread for tips on giving papers textures.

 

 

As ever all comments welcome 

Until next time 

Cheers 

[PeteN92]

Those laser cut kits are a bit of a pain with those comb joints on the corners, could you not use filler and then re-scribe the bricks if need be?

It seems a shame to lose the detail of the kit by wrapping it in brick paper but that's just me ?

 

Cheers

 

Pete 

[AdeMoore]

Pete I hear what you’re saying and I ought to give that a go.

It was that the locking room arches/windows are wrong also and the download comes with all the arch options to fix that, I’ve already paid my £2.50 but the colour looks very close!

Brown Brick

 

Below what I’m aiming for all be it this is in its renovated state.

 

 

More work required on my part a test side perhaps we’ll see.

 Cheers 

Ade

 

[AdeMoore]

I remember now why the brick paper! It’s written earlier if I’d checked I struggled forming any kind of brick panel between the windows rather than the cross!

Now toying with scribing in some sort of medium.

Tonights progress roof on but made removable and the front window section to complete the inside.

The supplied lever frame is vastly over scale anyone know for a decent small one as seen in photo above? 

 

 

until next time.

 Cheers 

[Jon4470]

Hi Ade

 

I think there are large and small white metal interior lever frame kits available. Think the supplier is Langley...might be wrong on that.

 

Jon

[AdeMoore]

Cheers Jon I’ll have search, just about to depart on holiday with some brass rod etc so may scratch one yet. Depending on the cost of Langley or whoever! 

Cheers

[AdeMoore]

https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/dart/L43.php

These perhaps Jon? Similar company to Langley.

[RailWest]

36 minutes ago, AdeMoore said:

https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/dart/L43.php

These perhaps Jon? Similar company to Langley.

IMHO they don't seem to be very suitable. Apart from Scale Signal Supply - who appear only to do 7mm and for some reason the Glasgow pattern - I'm not sure that anyone does a 4mm 'interior kit' suitable for a typical L&SWR Stevens & Sons frame. But maybe I'm wrong?

[AdeMoore]

1 hour ago, RailWest said:

IMHO they don't seem to be very suitable. Apart from Scale Signal Supply - who appear only to do 7mm and for some reason the Glasgow pattern - I'm not sure that anyone does a 4mm 'interior kit' suitable for a typical L&SWR Stevens & Sons frame. But maybe I'm wrong?

Thanks  Chris for looking in.

This is a card kit I know for Here now if it meets your prototype description above I’m afraid I wouldn't know?

I was hoping for something brassy!

 Cheers 

 

[Andrew P]

Hi Ade, Just had a catch up and I do like the long reverse curve between the ends, excellent work on the Box as well.