Simon60 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Just missed a Hornby R6539 BR Siphon H on eBay If I do manage to find another, is it a good candidate for a repaint and renumber to a GWR Siphon H? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 It is the same body. With the same incorrect bogies. Here's a cheap one that doesn't need repainting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon60 Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 Thanks a) what bogies would be a good swap out b) how does Mainline stack up on accuracy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon60 Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 Thanks a) what bogies would be a good swap out b) how does Mainline stack up on accuracy sorry, just managed to open your first link which helps on bogies comments on Mainline still be good though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2019 I used Stafford Road Works/Shapeways 3D print 9' American bogies on mine; not cheap but very good and a straight plug in swap. They run very well with Bachmann wheels and have NEM pockets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Simon60 said: b) how does Mainline stack up on accuracy The body moulding is very good and is the same as the original Airfix (and now Hornby). The accuracy of the underframe depends on how far back into GW times you want to go, and if that obsesses you, you will need the books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon60 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 Thanks both That gives me a way forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon60 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 While we’re on ...how does Mainline stack in general terms v say today’s Hornby and Bachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon60 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 Sorry I wasn’t clear i meant a comparison across their whole range in general Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Impossible to generalise ...................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2019 Little wrong with the body moulding in terms of scale and detail, but a modern version would probably have more in the way of seperate handrails and proper lamp irons. The underframe is very crude by modern standards and, as has been said, has incorrect bogies. The model benefits from new bogies and better buffers for a quick and easy upgrade, with which it presents a reasonable representation of these very characterful vehicles; the underframe needs more serious work to bring it up to scratch. By and large the same comments apply to the ex Lima Siphon G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: Little wrong with the body moulding in terms of scale and detail, but a modern version would probably have more in the way of seperate handrails and proper lamp irons. The underframe is very crude by modern standards and, as has been said, has incorrect bogies. The model benefits from new bogies and better buffers for a quick and easy upgrade, with which it presents a reasonable representation of these very characterful vehicles; the underframe needs more serious work to bring it up to scratch. By and large the same comments apply to the ex Lima Siphon G. Indeed - the chassis of both are too wide and benefit from a hacksaw attack ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHertsGER Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On the subject of underframes, is there any source reference covering the ‘arrangements’ down there; battery boxes, vacuum cylinders, reservoirs, pipework.a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 try this 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Thank you Miss Prism, Nice bit of detail - it'll help me as I have become, of late, aware of the lack of detail at solebar level on a lot of models - very useful. Cheers, Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHertsGER Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Miss Prism said: try this ‘Good grief!’ twice over - once in astonishment that such a work is available and secondly that is the work of Jim Whittaker, whose work used to intimidate me as a young modeller. Thank you! Edited September 7, 2019 by EHertsGER Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, EHertsGER said: ‘Good grief!’ twice over - once in astonishment that such a work is available and secondly that is the work of Jim Whittaker, whose work used to intimidate me as a young modeller. Thank you! Was this the gentleman who built GWR stock out of cardboard (not that you'd know) ? If it was, then an article in Railway Modeller 40+ years ago inspired me to try building a Siphon G in plasticard. Those louvres were fun... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHertsGER Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) On 07/09/2019 at 06:50, Fat Controller said: Was this the gentleman who built GWR stock out of cardboard (not that you'd know) ? If it was, then an article in Railway Modeller 40+ years ago inspired me to try building a Siphon G in plasticard. Those louvres were fun... I cannot recall if Jim's material was card or plasticard (not to be confused with Teddy Francis, who did use plasticard extensively). Similarly, 40 years ago seems too recent, if you can imagine such a thing. My memory takes me to the late 60s/early 70s (and so may rightly be considered inaccurate) and the MRC. The feature that distinguished Jim from Teddy was the minute detail that I imagined to be impossible - but there it was! This is not to denigrate Teddy's beautiful work, but Jim's seemed 'beyond reach' whereas Teddy seemed to give us a fighting chance of reproducing it. I do recall the mention of such mysterious substances as Cerrobend (I still use it, though after 40+ years I have actually got to my third 1/4lb block, it lasts that long!) and Shellac, so, in the latter case, there may have been card involved somewhere (roofs?). Alas, a quick ferret through my magazines (a lot!) failed to turn up any of his articles. A pity, I was hoping to find some and read once again - they are very good! Edited September 10, 2019 by EHertsGER Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, EHertsGER said: I cannot recall if Jim's material was card or plasticard (not to be confused with Teddy Francis, who did use plasticard extensively). Similarly, 40 years ago seems too recent, if you can imagine such a thing. My memory takes me to the late 60s/early 70s (and so may rightly be considered inaccurate) and the MRC. The feature that distinguished Jim from Teddy was the minute detail that I imagined to be impossible - but there it was! This is not to denigrate Teddy's beautiful work, but Jim's seemed 'beyond reach' whereas Teddy seemed to give us a fighting chance of reproducing it. I do recall the mention of such mysterious substances as Cerrobend (I still use it, though after 40+ years I have actually got to my third 1/4lb block, it lasts that long!) and Shellac, so, in the latter case, there may have been card involved somewhere (roofs?). Alas, a quick ferret through my magazines (a lot!) failed to turn up any of his articles. A pity, I was hoping to find some and read once again - they are very good! It probably was the late 60s/ early 1970s; if so. then the relevant copy of Modeller was probably thrown out after I'd left for college. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 On 07/09/2019 at 03:56, EHertsGER said: On the subject of underframes, is there any source reference covering the ‘arrangements’ down there; battery boxes, vacuum cylinders, reservoirs, pipework.a Definitive source must be https://hmrs.org.uk/great-western-railway-siphons-an-account-of-vehicles-built-for-milk-traffic-on-the-gwr-150215.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, Wickham Green said: Definitive source must be https://hmrs.org.uk/great-western-railway-siphons-an-account-of-vehicles-built-for-milk-traffic-on-the-gwr-150215.html Try getting a copy though..... They are like hens teeth unless you want to pay well over the odds. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Probably time for a new edition then ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: Probably time for a new edition then ! I think a revised edition was first mooted ages ago, but have still not released it. A real shame as its a book I really need to add to my library (but I don't want to pay OTT for the original version if there will be an updated edition!) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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