Chubber Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Having lashed out a whole £5 at Chris's Crafts [Plymouth PL4 0NH T: 01752 665 007 ] I am now a Crocodile keeper. Made by Bachmann, it looks OK but the wheel sets and bearings are pretty antediluvian. Any suggestions as to the easiest/least expensive way of replacing wheels/coupling etc? I should prefer to keep it 'tension lock'. I have bought it to carry my 'Tugwell-Pushleys', the manufactory for such will be my 'industry' on my nascent trainset. It will gve an opportunity for a OO9/OO interchange. Douglas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) Replace those wheels with Bachmann metal discs ones Douglas. If it was mine I'd have sawn off those ghastly tensions and fitted three links. 5 sheets is a bargain. Edited June 26, 2019 by gwrrob wheels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Worth remembering the floor probably wasn't load bearing - you would have had a couple of stout wooden cross members between the main frames, onto which the loco frames would have sat (probably one under each bufferbeam) with the loco wheels in the air. Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traintresta Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Strewth! I have three of these that were surplus to my dads collection, had no idea they were called crocs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, jonhall said: Worth remembering the floor probably wasn't load bearing - you would have had a couple of stout wooden cross members between the main frames, onto which the loco frames would have sat (probably one under each bufferbeam) with the loco wheels in the air. Presumably classified more systematically as a Weltrol once under BR control? 2 hours ago, Chubber said: I have bought it to carry my 'Tugwell-Pushleys'... And there was me thinking 'that's a Slowley-Chugley'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted June 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27, 2019 IIRC Baccy will sell you the GW plate frame bogies for these, complete with new wheelsets and NEM couplings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Just wondering how the NG loco would have been loaded and more importantly unloaded? Dropped down between the frames a crane would have been needed but if it was loaded higher then maybe some subtle work with pry bars and packing could have served to unload it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 Hi Thanks to all for interest and suggestions to date, replies in due course. Have found my GWR wagons (appendix), will try to contact B'mann soonest. Douglas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 6 hours ago, DavidCBroad said: Just wondering how the NG loco would have been loaded and more importantly unloaded? Dropped down between the frames a crane would have been needed but if it was loaded higher then maybe some subtle work with pry bars and packing could have served to unload it. Craned in at a works. As already mentioned, the side members are the structure that have to take the load, (floor is just for convenience of those working the loading and unloading) so there would be steel or timber bearers supporting the loco frames bearing on the side members. (The Weltrol is overkill, a Lowmac will easily take this load, and is simpler to load and unload.) It is possible to unload at destination by building a 'crib', levering the load up and systematically inserting timbers. But bringing a crane in for the job would be much preferred... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 15 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: Presumably classified more systematically as a Weltrol once under BR control? omis WELTROL WH https://www.google.com/search?q=WELTROL+WH&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjEpMD1xYnjAhU1VRUIHXQoBssQsAR6BAgEEAE&biw=1304&bih=644 The bogies shouldn't have the lightening holes as these were 'heavy duty' wagons. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 5 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: Craned in at a works. As already mentioned, the side members are the structure that have to take the load, (floor is just for convenience of those working the loading and unloading) so there would be steel or timber bearers supporting the loco frames bearing on the side members. (The Weltrol is overkill, a Lowmac will easily take this load, and is simpler to load and unload.) It is possible to unload at destination by building a 'crib', levering the load up and systematically inserting timbers. But bringing a crane in for the job would be much preferred... Yes. I think they were mainly for moving boilers, but there are some photos of them with transformers on what look like pallets. You can see the superstructure on a different photo which I can't find, possibly in the book on GWR wagon loads. https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrgs2763.htm https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrhd2620.htm Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 The old Trix model* could be had loaded with a transformer, a boiler, a large cable drum or a block of 'granite'. The Mainline one, from which the Bachmann derives, could be obtained with a boiler. * Not bad for its age (apart from the bogies) but was stretched to accommodate the bogies. It tends to suffer from corrosion and the loads are acetate and usually warped. I fitted one with better bogies but scrapped it when the new model appeared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said: Yes. I think they were mainly for moving boilers, but there are some photos of them with transformers on what look like pallets. You can see the superstructure on a different photo which I can't find, possibly in the book on GWR wagon loads. https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrgs2763.htm https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrhd2620.htm Jason The Russell book on GWR wagons has them carrying all manner of things, including marine buoys. Paul Bartlett's site has some useful shots of interiors; try here ( I know these are BR ones, but the general pricples are the same) https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brspecials Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Fat Controller said: The Russell book on GWR wagons has them carrying all manner of things, including marine buoys. Paul Bartlett's site has some useful shots of interiors; try here ( I know these are BR ones, but the general pricples are the same) https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brspecials I also have a surprising number (to me at least) of Crocs. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrcrocodile Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted June 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 27/06/2019 at 12:45, Il Grifone said: The bogies shouldn't have the lightening holes as these were 'heavy duty' wagons. Apart from the ones that did have them... https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-3/p932111417-3.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Except that this is a 35 ton CROCODILE G not a 50 ton CROCODILE H. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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