davidw Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Bernard Lamb said: There seems to a question as to the position of the rivets as well as the size of them. They appear to be too far in from the front of the smoke box. As you say it needs seeing in the flesh to make a judgement. Bernard TBH its the position and size of the rivets I'm talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel_H Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I understand that the tender is fitted with spoked wheels, rather than the correct disc wheels. It’s not mentioned in reviews and I haven’t bought one to check. Can anyone confirm this? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, Mel_H said: I understand that the tender is fitted with spoked wheels, rather than the correct disc wheels. It’s not mentioned in reviews and I haven’t bought one to check. Can anyone confirm this? Only magazine review samples are about at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted October 29, 2021 Moderators Share Posted October 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, Mel_H said: I understand that the tender is fitted with spoked wheels, rather than the correct disc wheels. It’s not mentioned in reviews and I haven’t bought one to check. Can anyone confirm this? All retail models will have disc wheels. 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 On 26/10/2021 at 22:01, robmcg said: True I have used Hattons photos and manufacturers' photos and not asked, but for photos by individuals I do make a point of asking, or in some cases offering to remove. I see the same Hattons and Bachmann photos widely copied by commercial operations and this is presumably a breach of copyright, where in my case the only financial interest would be in your site's visitors, the pics I use enhance sales of products and engender enjoyable reading, or so I thought until now. I do appreciate you requiring control of your images. I don't recall stealing any images from anyone on RMweb without their consent, unless by quoting their post and photo it represents copying and theft. Don't bother putting me on moderator watch. I've had it with the ads and the tone of your post has finished my interest in contributing here. Spot on kid. Good luck. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandg Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Mel_H said: I understand that the tender is fitted with spoked wheels, rather than the correct disc wheels. It’s not mentioned in reviews and I haven’t bought one to check. Can anyone confirm this? I've just located my split chassis version of Green Arrow. The tender is fitted with disc wheels... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 5 hours ago, dandg said: I've just located my split chassis version of Green Arrow. The tender is fitted with disc wheels... The models have always had disc wheels. That is why it seemed odd that the samples of the new version had spoked wheels. Good to hear that this fault will be rectified. Bernard 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Timara Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) It's extremely rare for me to end up being the first modeller to weather a brand new model up, before it's even hit the shops. As such, I've had the opportunity to come to my own conclusions regarding the model, rather than just read what others have posted or indeed magazine reviews. I'll start with a trio of images, taken in natural (late afternoon) sunlight..... I must say; I do rather like the original factory finish of this, long before it was renumbered and weathered by me. This, by the way, was the review sample in the current issue of BRM. As you can see, the smokebox door has been significantly modified, given this is the main failing (IMHO) of the model; getting the "face" right of a loco, after all, is vital. The door, thankfully, pops off without much ado, making thinning down rather more straightforward. I use a Stanley knife for this job, since I can have greater control over the blade than I can with a scalpel, especially given I can "roll" the door along the knife blade in order to mark it out. I think I've taken about 0.6mm of the depth out of it, which I smoothed up with a decent file afterwards. The plug bit of the door is then too deep for the recess provided, so I took a "detail file" to the back of it until it sat happily in the hole. The original door dart was a casualty of this process, so that was just replaced with my usual pair of shoulderless handrail knobs soldered to a length of wire, trimming the handles to the desired length and blackening afterwards. However, what I haven't mentioned is that there is a diameter discrepancy between that of this V2 and the Hornby A3, given I do believe the smokeboxes were more or less identical? It's about 0.5mm, as I discovered when I popped an A3 door on the end to see if it improved the looks or not; the Hornby one being the smaller of the two..... This is why I went down the route of thinning the door instead. On 28/10/2021 at 18:38, davidw said: TBH its the position and size of the rivets I'm talking about Actually, David, they're not in the wrong place at all. The problem is the thickness of the smokebox door "plug" giving the optical illusion that they're set too far back. My photos above show that. On a personal note, that's the one area of the model which offended me the most, hence why I did something about it! On to the rest of it.... The cab windows, though ever so slightly undersized, can just about be lived with. Height-wise, they're about 0.3mm out and slightly less so in width. The mahogany window frame rather accentuates this, which is a pain. The gap between firebox and cab isn't quite so bad as it appears in photos; they can be awfully cruel when enlarged more than one would see in the flesh. Valve gear: again, this can be toned down once weathered. Yes, it's a little chunky.... Tender brake rigging.... What is not mentioned in the instruction leaflet is that if you fit this to the tender, the loco to tender coupling side-play is significantly restricted as it clouts the two little bars which mount inside the frames. I decided that it was easier to snip off what wasn't visible (just fore of the leading axle) and leave the rest as normal. The holes needed opening out a bit with a tapered broach too, which was unexpected. Thinking more about the coupling, I do have doubts about its durability and longevity, as although it's relatively straightforward to separate the loco and tender (either using the wedge supplied or a thin-bladed screwdriver), getting them coupled back up is rather less so. Only two (of four) pins are actually used in any case, because the speaker is in the loco and not (surprisingly these days) in the tender, where there is oodles of space. Finally, a cautionary tale for anyone who wishes to carry out various weathering techniques. The lining and decoration will come off at the slightest whiff of white spirit/T-Cut or anything else of that ilk. The overhead warning flashes and numbers came off easily with a fingernail and then tidied up with a tiniest bit of the aforementioned. I'd advise a coat of varnish of some kind before adding any weathering (if using non-water-based techniques), since replacement of said lining will be necessary. Cheers, Edited March 31, 2022 by Tim 12 1 4 6 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 What’s it look like underneath with regards possibly regauging to EM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timara Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, Michael Delamar said: What’s it look like underneath with regards possibly regauging to EM? You know, that's the one thing I forgot to check I think it's got 3mm driving axles, but until I see the next one (when they arrive!), I cannot be absolutely sure.... Sorting out the tender axles might be fun, as they have pickups on split (2mm) axles... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tim said: As you can see, the smokebox door has been significantly modified, given this is the main failing (IMHO) of the model; getting the "face" right of a loco, after all, is vital. The door, thankfully, pops off without much ado, making thinning down rather more straightforward. I use a Stanley knife for this job, since I can have greater control over the blade than I can with a scalpel, especially given I can "roll" the door along the knife blade in order to mark it out. I think I've taken about 0.6mm of the depth out of it, which I smoothed up with a decent file afterwards. The plug bit of the door is then too deep for the recess provided, so I took a "detail file" to the back of it until it sat happily in the hole. The original door dart was a casualty of this process, so that was just replaced with my usual pair of shoulderless handrail knobs soldered to a length of wire, trimming the handles to the desired length and blackening afterwards. Really useful post Tim , thanks. And a lovely job on the weathering. Did you take any pictures midway through the smokebox door trimming? Just interested in your technique to achieve such a flush-fitting result. Think I’m going to attempt removing the rearmost cabside windows when I get my hands on one, hopefully the adhesive there isn’t overly strong either. Cheers, Ollie Edited October 29, 2021 by OliverBytham 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timara Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, OliverBytham said: Really useful post Tim , thanks. And a lovely job on the weathering. Did you take any pictures midway through the smokebox door trimming? Just interested in your technique to achieve such a flush-fitting result. Think I’m going to attempt removing the rearmost cabside windows when I get my hands on one, hopefully the adhesive there isn’t overly strong either. Cheers, Ollie Hi Ollie, Thanks for your kind words! The rear cab windows pop out very easily, which I forgot to mention about. I'm kicking myself, though, for not photographing the back of the door post-modification. I think I was more concerned that I needed to get it to fit properly, rather than "oh hang on, this might be useful!". I'll try and remember to do it for the next one(s) though, whenever they do indeed arrive. Cheers, Tim 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) Is the bottom of the Boiler painted Black ? The join now looks very obvious along the legth of the Footplate. It would also look better if the lining was carried down underneath the Boiler by Bachmann as well. The Cab would look better with the front windows either removed or the "Teak paint" filed off , the empty rear Cab Window looks a much better size and shape. Edited October 30, 2021 by micklner 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, micklner said: Is the bottom of the Boiler painted Black ? The join now looks very obvious along the legth of the Footplate. It would also look better if the lining was carried down underneath the Boiler by Bachmann as well. The Cab would look better with the front windows either removed or the "Teak paint" filed off , the empty rear Cab Window looks a much better size and shape. Certainly looks better than it did. Agree with the above plus would add that the heavily rendered strip that forms the join between the firebox casing and the cab now looks worse (more prominent). I’d also add that having seen review photos the side on view is spoilt by the huge power connector to the tender which then ironically is used only for the tender pickups. The gap between the tender and the cab also appears unnecessarily large and appears unadjustable and now highlights the lack of tender dragbox detail or tender-cab buffers. The cab roof vents are molded on and open (so tough luck if your layout represents a winter scene!). All of these are retrograde features that have been better rendered on earlier steam models in the Bachmann range I’m very disappointed with this model and equally disappointed with the fact the none of the reviews published so far have made any mention of any of the obvious defects that have been covered on this thread. This model seems a retrograde step in quality and attention to detail from Bachmann that stands in stark contrast to the new diesels coming through from the same manufacturer. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted October 30, 2021 Moderators Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 minute ago, MikeParkin65 said: I’d also add that having seen review photos the side on view is spoilt by the huge power connector to the tender which then ironically is used only for the tender pickups. The gap between the tender and the cab also appears unnecessarily large and appears unadjustable The side elevation shots are taken against a white background and it's far less prominent when on a layout and viewed from normal angles. There is some adjustment, one thing that hinders movement far fmore are the cab doors, if fitted. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) I would be very happy if a V2 of that standard was put through the "Shrink Ray" and made into an N Gauge model, sure there seem to be a few small discrepancies on this 00 one but I guess things like the chunkier valve gear are more of a a necessity in N. Anyway, and not wishing to be flippant, just bring some perspective here, isn't the biggest discrepancy of all a gauge which is about a scale 7 ins too narrow? Just sayin'.... Roy Edited October 30, 2021 by Roy L S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 On 28/10/2021 at 10:12, 2750Papyrus said: I have just read the review in Model Rail, which states that the Bachmann manual for this loco recommends the use of a smoothed supply when using analogue control, and speculates on the possible fitting of a coreless motor (not mentioned in the BRM or RM reviews). My layout is an oval with hidden storage sidings, so has gradients at each end. I therefore use Gaugemaster feedback controllers to maintain reasonably constant speeds. I have had a V2 on order for many months and have not previously been aware of this potential problem. Please can anyone advise? Can any one confirm this has a coreless motor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, paul 27 said: Can any one confirm this has a coreless motor. I'm led to believe this is the case with all new steam outline Bachmann models recently released. Edited October 31, 2021 by Black 5 Bear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said: I'm led to believe this is the case with all new steam outline Bachmann models recently released. I hope not if this is the case. Edited October 31, 2021 by paul 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted October 31, 2021 Moderators Share Posted October 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said: I'm led to believe this is the case with all new steam outline Bachmann models recently released. In N maybe but certainly not OO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, AY Mod said: In N maybe but certainly not OO. It appears that I've been given incorrect information from a Bachmann outlet. I was told that from the release of the 94xx, all new steam locomotive releases going forward were to be fitted with coreless motors. Thank you for providing a definitive answer and apologies to Paul 27 for providing incorrect information. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium romley midland Posted October 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said: It appears that I've been given incorrect information from a Bachmann outlet. I was told that from the release of the 94xx, all new steam locomotive releases going forward were to be fitted with coreless motors. Thank you for providing a definitive answer and apologies to Paul 27 for providing incorrect information. It literally says on their website what motor is fitted https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/product/lner-v2-4791-lner-lined-green-(original)/35-200 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, romley midland said: It literally says on their website what motor is fitted https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/product/lner-v2-4791-lner-lined-green-(original)/35-200 FYI, the relevant Bachmann advertising states "Powerful 5 Pole Motor" nothing more nothing less. There is no mention of it being coreless or otherwise. Edited November 1, 2021 by Black 5 Bear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Could this be skew wound like what Hornby use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 01/11/2021 at 00:01, Black 5 Bear said: FYI, the relevant Bachmann advertising states "Powerful 5 Pole Motor" nothing more nothing less. There is no mention of it being coreless or otherwise. The review in last months Hornby mag says its a powerful 5 pole motor and perhaps more positively the photo of the chassis shows what looks like the traditional Bachmann style motor (although haven't they used 3 pole motors to date?). Regardless I've just gone and satisfied my V2 itch with a late version of the old model which flaws notwithstanding is now going for less than the cost of the new Oxford j27 on the auction sites. I think Bachmann may have inadvertently hit and exceeded my price/value for money/what is this bringing new to my layout ceiling with the new model. Likewise the last version of the Brush Type 4 is looking very much a bargain now. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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