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Picked mine up last week, first loco purchase of 2020 as spare £ very much now pointed in the direction of my fishing activities, plus new summer house and kitchen! Realistically very rare in the Bristol area, although around 1974 there was rumours of an unidentified Crewe based boxed 24/1 reaching Bristol on a Xmas parcels service. They may have been more frequent than this , but remember the 1975 cull very well, which put pay to all that.

Just looked at my 1975 spotting notes, first visit to Crewe on 3/4/75, saw 24 134/142/143, so maybe renumber to one of these after checking for liveries at the time. Oh for a time machine, I saw 11 active LMR based 24s that day.

Lovely model, but itching for a renumber and back date the 0O00 post 1976 headcodes. Must finish my other Bachmann 24/1 and 25/0 conversions based on brassmasters bits.

Neil 

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53 minutes ago, Downendian said:

Picked mine up last week, first loco purchase of 2020 as spare £ very much now pointed in the direction of my fishing activities, plus new summer house and kitchen! Realistically very rare in the Bristol area, although around 1974 there was rumours of an unidentified Crewe based boxed 24/1 reaching Bristol on a Xmas parcels service. They may have been more frequent than this , but remember the 1975 cull very well, which put pay to all that.

Just looked at my 1975 spotting notes, first visit to Crewe on 3/4/75, saw 24 134/142/143, so maybe renumber to one of these after checking for liveries at the time. Oh for a time machine, I saw 11 active LMR based 24s that day.

Lovely model, but itching for a renumber and back date the 0O00 post 1976 headcodes. Must finish my other Bachmann 24/1 and 25/0 conversions based on brassmasters bits.

Neil 


Fishing Neil? Whatever next? Here’s my modelling activity this afternoon ready for some social distancing tomorrow....

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6 hours ago, GRUNFOS said:

This is my version of 24 141, last original boxed version running in 1976. Unfortunately it was supplied with four vac pipes and only one white air pipe, so may I ask if there is anyone out there not going to use theirs and are willing to part with them to pm me please.

 

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Thanks Paul.

141 for my fleet too....

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Got the renumbering done this afternoon.

All finished for this one now!

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8 hours ago, Opelsi said:

Got the renumbering done this afternoon.

All finished for this one now!

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Looking very good.  What did you use for the replacement domino headcodes ? 

TIA

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Why thank you kindly.

 

I used 'Precision Decals' which are my favoured product for this application.

 

Please feel free to check out my hybrid Class 85 similarly treated in the Class 85 thread!

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And if anyone wants Precision dominos in 4mm drop me a PM - I buy loads of sheets but we predate dominos so never use them....

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I can't decide whether to purchase 24137 or wait for the SLW West highland one , i currently have a part converted Bachmann 24/0 with Brassmasters cab roofs but quite obviously it needs a lot more work to make it a 24/1 whereas 24137 would need little work 

 

Edit : considering what i have seen posted about turning these into early 25/0`s i am giving serious consideration to having a loco fleet cull so i can purchase a handful of them to turn into Highland 24/1's and a 25/0's

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Have been asked about converting this model to a 25/0

 

Looks to me as if boiler associated fittings are the main difference. On investigation it does look like the water tanks are a seperate moulding that might come away without further damage - has anyone tried this? Would then be the boiler compartment roof that required work - anything else I have missed?

 

Phil

 

 

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1 hour ago, Phil Bullock said:

Have been asked about converting this model to a 25/0

 

Looks to me as if boiler associated fittings are the main difference. On investigation it does look like the water tanks are a seperate moulding that might come away without further damage - has anyone tried this? Would then be the boiler compartment roof that required work - anything else I have missed?

 

Phil

 

 

Hi Phil

 

Class 25/0 needs the little odd shaped thing on the boiler compartment removing, and the boiler exhaust. the other two slightly raised panels need to stay where they are. The water tank needs removing, I haven't as yet checked to see what size fuel tank they had and if it is the same size as the one under the 24/1. And of course with all Sulzer Bo-Bos depending on your modelling time period the position of the engine exhaust.

 

Some thing else I need to check is the cant rail mounted water tank fillers, were class 25/1s fitted with them?

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On 23/03/2020 at 12:07, Phil Bullock said:

Am sure Bacchy would do their best to help Paul - drop them a message off their web site

They sure have Phil. In the post now. Thanks.

By the way I painted the side grills black on mine, it does make a difference. {see pics above}

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15 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

 

 

Some thing else I need to check is the cant rail mounted water tank fillers, were class 25/1s fitted with them?

 

Cheers Clive - hope all is good with you and yours...

 

Cant rail water fillers - most certainly fitted to 25/1s.... D5181 - 5232 .... but 25/0s were perverse! Why would they need them - no boiler - and as built not apparent. But later on in life . and often with access footsteps plated over - lo and behold there they are! Must have been faired over initially and had the fairings removed.....

 

Some good photos on Derby Sulzer

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said:

 

Cheers Clive - hope all is good with you and yours...

 

Cant rail water fillers - most certainly fitted to 25/1s.... D5181 - 5232 .... but 25/0s were perverse! Why would they need them - no boiler - and as built not apparent. But later on in life . and often with access footsteps plated over - lo and behold there they are! Must have been faired over initially and had the fairings removed.....

 

Some good photos on Derby Sulzer

 

 

 

Have you seen the roof detail photo of 25003 where it has fallen over. There is also one of the under bits and bobs.  I feel a conversion coming on, as well as my Hornby one I started about 2 years ago.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Have you seen the roof detail photo of 25003 where it has fallen over. There is also one of the under bits and bobs.  I feel a conversion coming on, as well as my Hornby one I started about 2 years ago.

 

 

 

Yes thats the master phot for 25/0 roof detail! Has 2 tone warning panel too.....

 

https://www.derbysulzers.com/25003.html for those who might not have seen it - scroll down the page

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1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Class 25/0 needs the little odd shaped thing on the boiler compartment removing,

 

You'll be meaning the boilers, air intake shroud.

 

48 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said:

Cant rail water fillers - most certainly fitted to 25/1s.... D5181 - 5232 .... but 25/0s were perverse! Why would they need them - no boiler

 

Coolant systems.

 

This any good?

 

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Why did Bachmann omit the additional bogie step or is it in an accessory pack? There doesn't appear to be any fixing holes in the bogie.

 

Good shot of 1st generation class 25 roof in original condition (but the hinged filler covers removed/lost) here:

 

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The roof panelling variations can be a nightmare once the works visits started and roof sections started getting swapped about from original. It's definitely one of those occasions that, if accuracy bothers you, you really need a top down phot of your prototype in the period you're modelling.

 

P

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1 hour ago, Porcy Mane said:

 

You'll be meaning the boilers, air intake shroud.

 

 

Coolant systems.

 

This any good?

 

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Why did Bachmann omit the additional bogie step or is it in an accessory pack? There doesn't appear to be any fixing holes in the bogie.

 

Good shot of 1st generation class 25 roof in original condition (but the hinged filler covers removed/lost) here:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITISH-RAIL-RAILWAY-DIESEL-PHOTO-1960S-SULZER-TYPE-2-D5153-DERAILED-AUG-1967/123835620334?hash=item1cd52d9bee:g:swgAAOSwfSldKz9h

 

The roof panelling variations can be a nightmare once the works visits started and roof sections started getting swapped about from original. It's definitely one of those occasions that, if accuracy bothers you, you really need a top down phot of your prototype in the period you're modelling.

 

P

Thanks. I am glad some knows what that odd shape thingy is.

 

There is a set of steps for the boiler filler hatch access in the detail pack.

 

 

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Sounds much better .... can I ask what you did with the speaker please Richard?

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1 hour ago, Phil Bullock said:

Sounds much better .... can I ask what you did with the speaker please Richard?

Thanks, if you look on my website threes a 26x11x4 speaker, I put one on top of the motor and one on top of the PCB in place of the original speaker. Both are wired in parallel

 

Richard 

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Posted (edited)

Having purchased one I find the body sits quite lower than my other 24s and 25s nobody has mentioned this,

does this mean Bachmann are scaling down there locos, it looks like its the body not the chassis that is

shorter in height, may be this new model has been scanned for accurate dimensions.

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Made a start today in stripping down my 24/1. It wasn't running as well as I'd like and I also wanted to the replace the headcodes with domino's that were very kindly supplied FOC by Phil Bullock.

Firstly noticed the bogie drive worms could use some lubricant they looked pretty dry. Also noticed that small caps were fitted across the motor leads, I always remove these (if fitted) when using DCC.

Cab light LED's are indeed fitted.  Bogies will also require stripping down as the contact strips are not always touching the wheel backs (when the axles are moved side to side.)

The speaker housing is tiny, and the full length circuit board does not leave a lot of space for a bigger speaker either. Interesting to compare just how SLW managed to design in space in their type 2's which as we all know sound excellent.

Due to the chassis design, the motor is smaller/slimmer than the standard Bachmann fitment. The original 24/25's mostly ran very sweetly straight out of the box, not so my 24/1 example.

Hopefully once competed it will run better on DC prior to fitting a decoder.

 

 

 

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On 20/03/2020 at 08:39, paul 27 said:

Advertised as having cab lighting yet nothing mentioned in the instruction sheet or does this only work on DCC.

 

Cab light LED's are fitted, assume they will only work on DCC ? although yet to try that.

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On 27/03/2020 at 12:06, Phil Bullock said:

has anyone tried this?

 

Got one this afternoon. 24 hr delivery from rails. Excellent job from them and Royal mail.

 

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Had to get behind the spigots to "punch" them out without damage. Same with the roof detail. First RTR model I've come across were an excess of adhesive has been used to secure individual components.

Nice touch is the motor bogie centres are now cast metal with the 2mm axles running in phosphor bronze horn blocks. Should make springing a cinch.

 

The motor is an 1830.

 

P

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