RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, Edwardian said: there is no virtue in offering the exception as the rule. Indeed it is a vice; moreover a vice the Hattons carriages seek to avoid. (Which of the two threads is this?) 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: (Which of the two threads is this?) I'm not the only one then? 9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi-go-a-go-go Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I got 5 from Derails as soon as they came out. I like them. But the light bleed on my examples is terrible especially the 6 wheel brake. I shall probably take them apart and paint them. In fact I was about to do this when I realised that R40127 and R40130 did not have any gas cylinders on the base. Anyone else missing gas cylinders? No sign of them in the detail pack either I shall probably contact derails later today about it. Cheerho all 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Edwardian said: For instance, by the time the GWR had a body panel style close to that of the generics, it (a) built them with end turn-unders (my earlier point), (b) built them with elliptical roof profiles and (c) had stopped building 6-wheelers.* Six wheeled coaches were banned from several GWR tertiary lines on which 4 wheelers were permitted. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Hornby have posted this video of the coaches on their YouTube channel Can't help but notice the colour of the lbsc livery coaches looks odd to me, compared to the prototype 1st 661 from the bluebell. Kernow also have a couple of then in stock and their photos also show the odd colour. Perhaps it's the thickness of the lining? Or the need for a coat of varnish maybe as all the others look great. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Edwardian said: To add to what m' Learned Friend has just said, the LB&SCR would be another arc-roof 4 and 6-wheel coach builder. As to the LSWR, we can place that company fully in the arc-roof camp so far as 4 and 6-wheel carriages are concerned; when bogie carriages were introduced by the SW in the '80s, they too were arc-roofed. The SW elliptical roofs didn't come in until about 1893, IIRC, on bogie carriages. Not quite right I'm afraid - there were definitely elliptical-roofed LSWR 6-wheelers, including the 30' passenger brake van (Fig. 4.17 in Weddell book 1) and the 24' 4-wheel luggage van of 1894. The 1900/01 6-wheel block trains also had elliptical roofs, as did (and I'm aware this is an obscure one!) the hearse vans used on the Necropolis trains. Edited January 22, 2021 by Skinnylinny 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Skinnylinny said: Not quite right - there were definitely elliptical-roofed LSWR 6-wheelers, including the 30' passenger brake van (Fig. 4.17 in Weddell book 1) and the 24' 4-wheel luggage van of 1894. The 1900/01 6-wheel block trains also had elliptical roofs, as did (and I'm aware this is an obscure one!) the hearse vans used on the Necropolis trains. Fair enough, I had overlooked the 20th century! 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Edwardian said: Fair enough, I had overlooked the 20th century! Best thing to do with it, all things considered. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, mi-go-a-go-go said: In fact I was about to do this when I realised that R40127 and R40130 did not have any gas cylinders on the base. Anyone else missing gas cylinders? Those coaches have oil lamps on the roof, so no need for gas tanks. It looks like the sample photos have them fitted by mistake. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Best thing to do with it, all things considered. Well, I only generally read and re-read two chapters of Weddell! 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi-go-a-go-go Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Yes thats correct they do indeed have the oil lamp fittings in the roof. So that makes sense. Hornby need to update their product pictures. The bottom looks very errrrr naked though. Mys eyes keep being drawn to its bareness.......lol Cheers for that Nile 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel_H Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, mi-go-a-go-go said: I got 5 from Derails as soon as they came out. I like them. But the light bleed on my examples is terrible especially the 6 wheel brake. I shall probably take them apart and paint them. In fact I was about to do this when I realised that R40127 and R40130 did not have any gas cylinders on the base. Anyone else missing gas cylinders? No sign of them in the detail pack either I shall probably contact derails later today about it. Cheerho all Has anyone tried fitting a resistor to reduce the LED output, given that oil lamps were presumably not very bright in real life (never seen a 1:1 in action)? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, mi-go-a-go-go said: The bottom looks very errrrr naked though. Mys eyes keep being drawn to its bareness.......lol Agreed, the 6-wheelers don't even have an air-brake cylinder to relieve the openness. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Well, after knowing they'd have completely un-GWR brake ends and having now seen them, I'll certainly be giving the GWR brakes a miss! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SR Chris Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) My missing Brake Third arrived yesterday to complete my BT-F-T-BT 4-set. Light bleed through the body side paintwork is definitely an issue in total darkness but not too noticeable in the lowest light I operate under. With a terminus to fiddle yard setup I find shunting three link fitted wagons too difficult in the dark! I may investigate reducing the brightness in a few days time but for now I'm having too much fun running them in my temporally challenged world! Edited January 22, 2021 by SR Chris Added another picture because I could! 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2021 As a work of acknowledged fiction those are smart and attractive vehicles. Only the knowledgeable would recognise their implausibility. 1 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 The pricing does seem quite good compared with ~£30-£35 for this. I think Hornby win just a little on the livery application, for a start. 1 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Not to be contrarian, but do lights really add that much? You can't really see them in the day and they wouldn't be on anyway. So unless you're running your layout exclusively at night or have a night themed. I struggle to see the exact benefit. Though please tell me if I'm wrong. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: As a work of acknowledged fiction those are smart and attractive vehicles. Only the knowledgeable would recognise their implausibility. I've always favoured plausibilty.....certainly lowers the stress levels... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, scots region said: Not to be contrarian, but do lights really add that much? You can't really see them in the day and they wouldn't be on anyway. So unless you're running your layout exclusively at night or have a night themed. I struggle to see the exact benefit. Though please tell me if I'm wrong. I find there's something quite enjoyable about seeing the lights of a train travelling through the "night". I've seen people object that you ought to have headlights for all the road vehicles that are supposed to be moving etc., but I reckon that if I can imagine a stationary car is actually moving I can also live with the lack of lights. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: As a work of acknowledged fiction those are smart and attractive vehicles. Only the knowledgeable would recognise their implausibility. Ah, but isn't it a good thing for more people to become more knowledgeable? Those footboards... 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Gilbert said: I've always favoured plausibilty.....certainly lowers the stress levels... I don't mind much if it's not obvious to me. Errors in - say - a Mk 3 sleeper stand out to me because I've spent so many nights on one. But something that I'd have to look up to find was wrong doesn't bother me very much. 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Coryton said: I don't mind much if it's not obvious to me. Errors in - say - a Mk 3 sleeper stand out to me because I've spent so many nights on one. But something that I'd have to look up to find was wrong doesn't bother me very much. Well, I suppose I'm in the opposite position: I'd have to have the faults in a Mk 3 sleeper pointed out to me. 3 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Well, I suppose I'm in the opposite position: I'd have to have the faults in a Mk 3 sleeper pointed out to me. Yes, but if I wanted to model the era in which a 'Mark 3 Sleeper'* existed - whatever one of those is - I'd care enough for it to be right. But, given that pre-Grouping is a burgeoning interest, with 1,000s of unfamiliar prototypes, something generic, yet representative, is not a bad place to start. * Is this one? 4 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 23, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Edwardian said: Fair enough, I had overlooked the 20th century! Two World wars, disasters, epedemics ('Spanish' Flu' killed more than the World War that preceeded it), death camps, ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity, mad dictators, poisonous ideals, repeated genocide, totalitarianism, terrorism; if you're going to overlook a century, this is probably the best one to overlook... 2 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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