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Congratulations on achieving 1000 pages! All very interesting and thank you for sharing Peterborough North and yourself with us. 

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Many congratulations indeed, Gilbert. And it’s now 1001 pages. Well done.

 

Best regards,

 

 Rob.

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G'Day Folks

 

Congratulations are in order on 1,000 pages of excellence, so much hard work by Gilbert. Thank you.

 

Best looking streamliner, got to be an A4, But....The South Australian 520 class, based on the Pennsy T1, to me looks better than the T1. Here's one 50 years ago.

 

manna

520 class 526 at Aldgate 1969.jpg

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The first of this evening's pictures is very striking .... 

 

In a good way (for avoidance of doubt!).

 

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A4 for the best. And that strange thing they did to the Schools class is the worst.

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4 hours ago, Market65 said:

Well, for myself the A4 is the best streamlined steam engine, with those Collet efforts of the GWR easily the worst.

 

Rob.

 

Amen to that, and you won't be alone.

 

Which brings us to the worst livery applied to steam up until say 1968?

 

I had thought the experimental blue of 1948-51 applied to five BR A4s was pretty dire until I bought the current Hornby version , being 60028 'Walter K. Whigham' which ran non-stop Edinburgh-King's Cross in August 1948 via the Waverley, and thus passed through Peterborough North, which renders it almost but not quite relevant to the thread.

 

Thankyou Gilbert for your beautiful model of the station and great photos.

 

photo below edited, I will restrain myself henceforth.

 

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Congratulations on the 1000 pages and over 25000 replies. Truly inspirational thread, and the daily photos of the model are superb.

Cheers David 

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15 minutes ago, robmcg said:

 

Amen to that, and you won't be alone.

 

Which brings us to the worst livery applied to steam up until say 1968?

 

I had thought the experimental blue of 1948-51 applied to five BR A4s was pretty dire until I bought the current Hornby version , being 60028 'Walter K. Whigham' which ran non-stop Edinburgh-King's Cross in August 1948 via the Waverley, and thus passed through Peterborough North, which renders it almost but not quite relevant to the thread.

 

Thankyou Gilbert for your beautiful model of the station and great photos.

 

photo below edited, I will restrain myself henceforth.

 

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It’s very pretty Rob, but is it the right colour? I thought BR blue was close to GER  blues which was close to Navy?

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47 minutes ago, bigwordsmith said:

It’s very pretty Rob, but is it the right colour? I thought BR blue was close to GER  blues which was close to Navy?

 

It's the early BR 'Experimental Blue' worn by 60024,7,8, and one or two others and sometimes called purple, until replaced by 'ordinary' BR Blue', or Brunswick Green c1950-on.  Hornby have modelled 60027 and 8 in 'experimental' blue which is not very pretty to most people and didn't last long in prototype service without fading and the deprecations of post-war maintenance.  I haven't changed the Hornby colour and used natural window light for my pic.

 

It's a bit off thread though and is no doubt discussed elsewhere as in a relevant Hornby product thread. 

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/154475-br-a4-experimental-blue-1948-51/

 

We must not veer from the Peterborough North c1958 subject too much!

 

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5 hours ago, manna said:

G'Day Folks

 

Congratulations are in order on 1,000 pages of excellence, so much hard work by Gilbert. Thank you.

 

Best looking streamliner, got to be an A4, But....The South Australian 520 class, based on the Pennsy T1, to me looks better than the T1. Here's one 50 years ago.

 

manna

520 class 526 at Aldgate 1969.jpg

I was going to vote for that too but decided that the original PRR T1 just edged it. Funny how we each see things different ways!

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Manna beat me to it. I love our South Australian Railways 520 Class. These are far better looking locos than the Pennsy T1 which is too bulky. The second series 520 (523-531) were better looking than the first three in the class (520-522) IMHO.

 

Here is 521 taken by my father in 1966.

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Here's 526 taken by Phil Butler in 1970 about 12 months before she was most unfortunately scrapped. We do still have two of these, 520 is currently being restored back to working order and 523 is in the National Railway Museum at Port Adelaide.

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But at the end of the day the A4 wins the streamlined category on looks in my view.

 

Congratulations Gilbert on 1000+ pages.

 

Andrew

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Poll result. Well I suppose given the ECML nature of this thread the fact that the A4 won with ease for good looks comes as no surprise. There was a closer race when it came to, shall we say er less harmonious efforts. That French loco with the huge nose got 5 votes, but the GWR's attempt at streamlining a King and a Castle got 8, and thus came out as the winner.

 

OK, first question now has to be - Do you want more polls, or have you had enough of them? I'll do one for today anyway, but then see what reaction there is to my question before setting up any more.

 

So, we have discussed the looks of various categories of locomotive, but so far ignored the things that really mattered when it comes to running a railway. It don't matter to the driver how nice the thing looks if it won't steam, and shakes his fillings out at anything over 50 mph.  Let us then turn our attention to the more mundane but vital aspects such as efficiency, all round usefulness, route availability , mixed traffic capability, longevity etc.

 

0.6.0s were the most numerous type in the UK, so let's start with them. The best all rounder I think is what we are looking for, the loco that the shed foreman could turn to for passenger freight or shunting work, and know that within its power classification, or maybe even a bit above, it would do the job well. Add to that how restricted its area of use was, and how long it was able to carry on doing the job. Go anywhere, do anything, and be easy to maintain and mechanically reliable. What was best at that?  Limited to steam though, I think, for the time being anyway.

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Morning all!

 

0-6-0s - well so many to choose from.  I think, based on what I've read and also appearance I'd go for the ex GE J15.  Long lived, Victorian engines that saw in the diesel age, reliable and well regarded as far as I know, and able to shift big load when called upon (albeit probably not very fast).

 

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I think I'll jump on the J15 bandwagon there too. One of my favorite classes of loco.

 

I do think though that the vast majority of 0-6-0 types would fit the 'all rounder' category. 

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Today's poll has caused me a bit of s dilemma, which do I say a Deeley/Fowler class 3 0-6-0 goods or a Deeley/Fowler class 3 0-6-0 goods. That is the 5ft 3 ins wheeled variety the 4ft 11ins ones were best at mineral working.

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8 minutes ago, LNERandBR said:

I think I'll jump on the J15 bandwagon there too. One of my favorite classes of loco.

 

I do think though that the vast majority of 0-6-0 types would fit the 'all rounder' category. 

I agree that they should, unless they were designed for a specific purpose, such as shifting coal. That's what a J27 for example was designed to do, and it did it manfully for very many years. Which was most versatile and perhaps for longest is what we are looking for.

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J11, Pom Pom, call it what you will, a superb all-rounder. Although some of their later work was not taxing, in their prime they tackled heavy freight, passenger etc.  and were fitted with water scoop tenders for work on long distance jobs. 1901 - 1962. 

 

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I think, as much as I’d like to vote for an LNER engine, the most versatile 0-6-0 would have to be the LMS 4F. They were very widespread, working in as far away places as East Anglia and Somerset for several decades.

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Another vote for the LMS 4F.

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1 hour ago, great northern said:

OK, first question now has to be - Do you want more polls, or have you had enough of them?

See, I was right! Now we've got past 1000 he's not interested in the post count any more...

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SR Q (not the Q1).

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