WardRail Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Hi Folks Quick question, in a couple of age old RM articles I've recently re-read, its stated that some of the Class 23 Baby Deltics made it into the new (at the time) rail blue livery and that a couple actually made it into TOPS coding of the 23 0xx variety. I don't doubt some members of the class did make it into Rail Blue, albeit with Dxx style numbers, however verifying the TOPS coded examples has proven more than slightly annoying... Can anybody confirm the Tops coding and if so, the actual numbers carried by the (presumably low number of examples) under TOPS ? Longtime Baby Deltic fan here, having converted 3 from the Monty Wells articles in RM over the years and looking forward to getting my grotty mitts on a Rail Blue Heljan example after xmas Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) None received TOPS numbers, and only 5909 from memory went BFYE http://www.railphotoprints.co.uk/index/detail/11034/D5909-Y-Stratford-0573-RPC164.jpg.html One of the others got a double-arrow on TTG - 5908 http://www.railphotoprints.co.uk/index/detail/1809/D5908-FinsburyPark-0769-RP274.jpg.html. Check in the Transition Diesel Liveries Group, topic "Diesels that didn't Transition" for a full expose on the Class 23s! Also the Heljan BD thread here: http://www.rmweb.co....__fromsearch__1 EDIT: thanks to Downendian for the correction! Plenty of stuff on the net to be honest, no excuse for me giving out duff gen. Edited December 11, 2011 by 'CHARD 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted December 11, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) Although I've posted before always worth another look - one of my collection. D5909 in the company of D5905 scrapped at Stratford, 1971. If you lose a buffer on your Heljan model....its prototypical Neil Edited December 11, 2011 by Downendian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WardRail Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 Thanks for the replies folks ! None actually recieved TOPS codings in real life eh ? Hmmmm.... Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Although they languished at Stratford for a while, D5905 and D5909 were actually cut up at Cohen's, Kettering in 1973. There is a photo of D5909 at Kettering with half of one side missing, taken 1973, in Pilot Scheme Fleet Survey Book, by Brian Haresnape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Thanks for the replies folks ! None actually recieved TOPS codings in real life eh ? Hmmmm.... Best Matthew No class 23 locomotives ever received five digit 23XXX numbers. Some had the blue data panels, but that's about it. Even if D5901 had been renumbered under TOPS during its life at the RTC, it would have probably been numbered as a class 97/2 in the 972XX number series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Interesting to note D5909 actually got the correct 'Rail Alphabet' typeface on the numbers; this wasn't always the case with earlier blue repaints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Interesting to note D5909 actually got the correct 'Rail Alphabet' typeface on the numbers; this wasn't always the case with earlier blue repaints. I didn't really like the rail blue sans-seriff style alphabet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark alden Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Transition Diesel Liveries Group?? Can we have a link to the site please?? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark alden Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Oh... found it. !! dooooooh,,,,,,,,, ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Interesting to note D5909 actually got the correct 'Rail Alphabet' typeface on the numbers; this wasn't always the case with earlier blue repaints. Derby, Doncaster and Crewe Works were pretty good at conforming to laid down instructions regarding the use and application of the then new 'Rail Alphabet'. Swindon could never seem to make up is mind with blue repaints although I'm given to understand that Newton Abbott actually did repaint a few fire damaged locos, so these may have been the victims of incorrect typeface. St.Rollox also had a problem with shortages of the correct stock of transfers and paint. I remember during a visit there in August 1970 that 5335,5355 and 5370 were receiving complete repaints in un lined green with LYE because, as the guide told me, they were using up old stocks as there was insufficient blue paint for them to use. There were also other instances of 'depot' repaints carried out at Toton, Stratford and even, I remember, Finsbury Park where a green Brush Type 2 was having a complete repaint in green without, it seemed, little preparation for the new coat of paint. They used to repaint a lot of the roofs grey as well just to smarten things up, but this all seemed to end when the blue era arrived. Brush Traction at Loughborough also carried out some early repaints on 24's,25's and 45's and kept the small yellow panels as well as signwriting over the old style numbers to complete the job. I was definately these early livery variations which gave me the impetus to take the photos I did at the time without a doubt and it would be quite boring for us modellers if things had been more formal! Whilst I am replying to the 'Baby Deltic' topic I feel that my reply may well be more suited to the 'Transistion Diesel Liveries' thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 D5909-D5905 Stratford MPD 1972 by George Woods 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 An ex-Stratford Fitter who I work with, told me the pair of Baby Deltics were used for re-railing exercises, I trust his knowledge, he does not make things up, I'll ask for more details when I have a shift with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Pandora said: An ex-Stratford Fitter who I work with, told me the pair of Baby Deltics were used for re-railing exercises, I trust his knowledge, he does not make things up, I'll ask for more details when I have a shift with him You want to know how he derailed them in the first place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_the_v8man Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 On 14/09/2021 at 12:10, Michael Hodgson said: You want to know how he derailed them in the first place? Do you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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