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On ‎30‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 11:37, Compound2632 said:

If it's pug-ugly 2-8-0s you're after, you can't find more hideous than LNWR classes E and F - Whale's addition of a leading axle to Webb's 4-cylinder compound Class B 0-8-0s, to relieve the weight on the leading coupled axle. I believe these were the only British 2-8-0s to have more than two cylinders? 

 

Looking through the 2-8-0s listed above, is one forced to the conclusion that the S&DJR 2-8-0s were the least successful? They were certainly found unsatisfactory for the long-distance Toton-Brent mineral trains on the Midland.

 

The Derby-emasculated Garratts that were considered satisfactory for the Toton-Brent traffic didn't turn out to be a whole lot better.

 

However, where almost everything else deemed non-standard by the LMS got turned into razor blades during the 1930s and replaced with Stanier 5s or 8s, the S&D 7Fs soldiered on long enough for most to carry the second BR emblem. 

 

Reason? They worked a heavily graded line with single-line sections that needed to be cleared quickly. For that they were almost perfectly suited; their extremely effective engine brakes ensuring that whatever they could pull uphill, they could control going down the other side at speeds that couldn't be countenanced with what should have been their logical replacement.   

 

Combining 8F haulage capacity, with 7F stopping power would have created something worth seeing, but that had didn't happen until locomotives with an extra pair of wheels came along in the 50s, though their abilities were initially needed elsewhere for much heavier work than the S&D offered.

 

John

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

 

The Derby-emasculated Garratts that were considered satisfactory for the Toton-Brent traffic didn't turn out to be a whole lot better.

 

However, where almost everything else deemed non-standard by the LMS got turned into razor blades during the 1930s and replaced with Stanier 5s or 8s, the S&D 7Fs soldiered on long enough for most to carry the second BR emblem. 

 

Reason? They worked a heavily graded line with single-line sections that needed to be cleared quickly. For that they were almost perfectly suited; their extremely effective engine brakes ensuring that whatever they could pull uphill, they could control going down the other side at speeds that couldn't be countenanced with what should have been their logical replacement.   

 

Combining 8F haulage capacity, with 7F stopping power would have created something worth seeing, but that had didn't happen until locomotives with an extra pair of wheels came along in the 50s, though their abilities were initially needed elsewhere for much heavier work than the S&D offered.

 

John

 

 

 

Talk to any ex S&D driver and they will tell you that the braking ability of the 9Fs was inferior to a 7F. Sustained steaming on passenger trains or running at anything approaching passenger speeds was a different matter.....!

 

Jerry

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6 hours ago, 31A said:

....... the "pull" includes a child spring .....

 

 

Bounces pestering kids into oblivion?  Great! Readily available in ball point pens too? Fantastic!

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3 hours ago, queensquare said:

 

Talk to any ex S&D driver and they will tell you that the braking ability of the 9Fs was inferior to a 7F. Sustained steaming on passenger trains or running at anything approaching passenger speeds was a different matter.....!

 

Jerry

 

I believe that the 7Fs had special Ferodo brake-blocks.

 

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John Isherwood.

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On 30/11/2019 at 17:31, TrevorP1 said:

 

All this talk of dangerous trolleys, the NEC staff should take a look at out local supermarket. As well as the normal hazards such as absent minded octogenarians and young mums on the phone pushing supermarket trolleys there are staff with stacker trucks loaded with racks or boxes...

 

Tony made the mistake of trying to leave the NEC before the Show closed. Their is a blanket ban on  people doing so with or without a trolley. As it happens after 5:30pm (show close time was 5pm), the NEC staff were informed that  people could leave the building with trolleys (I know because I was at the door when this message went out).

 

It had nothing to do with trolleys - it was to do with leaving the NEC  BEFORE the show closed.  He could, of course walked out through the front door of the Hall. So please, please stop harping on Tony.... This is really starting to grate with the  (up to the end of the show) the demo liaison officer of the  Show.

 

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Quiz question if I can to all who solder.

i have fired up my temperature controlled iron after a 6 month hiatus. It would not solder joins. Why?

i thought it was the heat setting, tried hotter and colder it did not affect it. 

I tried changing the tip

i changed the solder and tried low melt too.

i cleaned the brass with a file.

all it would do was melt the solder into small balls but the iron would not tin or pick it up. 

If I fed the solder on to the brass it struggled to flow. 

 

Any ideas what what am I doing wrong? 

Many thanks

Richard .

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3 hours ago, gr.king said:

 

Bounces pestering kids into oblivion?  Great! Readily available in ball point pens too? Fantastic!

 

Oops!  Apologies; I thought I typed "coil spring".  Good idea, though! :jester:

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43 minutes ago, richard i said:

Quiz question if I can to all who solder.

i have fired up my temperature controlled iron after a 6 month hiatus. It would not solder joins. Why?

i thought it was the heat setting, tried hotter and colder it did not affect it. 

I tried changing the tip

i changed the solder and tried low melt too.

i cleaned the brass with a file.

all it would do was melt the solder into small balls but the iron would not tin or pick it up. 

If I fed the solder on to the brass it struggled to flow. 

 

Any ideas what what am I doing wrong? 

Many thanks

Richard .

 

The only thing you haven't mentioned is flux...

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All I can think is that for some obscure reason the supply voltage to the unit is low. If you can do this safely check the input voltage. I had the same problem on Green Ayre when I put it up in France. It turned out that the French Elrctrician had left me with only 144 volts coming into the layout.

 

Jamie

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7 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

 

Hello Tony

 

Some 'wagon observations' to consider...

 

Those packing cases in the wagon in the middle foreground look precarious. And the same goes for the load in what looks like a Lowfit behind a Shocvan in the crane dock to the far right.

 

Brian

Thanks Brian, but neither one is my work.

 

I'll have a word with the builders!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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1 hour ago, Barry O said:

 

Tony made the mistake of trying to leave the NEC before the Show closed. Their is a blanket ban on  people doing so with or without a trolley. As it happens after 5:30pm (show close time was 5pm), the NEC staff were informed that  people could leave the building with trolleys (I know because I was at the door when this message went out).

 

It had nothing to do with trolleys - it was to do with leaving the NEC  BEFORE the show closed.  He could, of course walked out through the front door of the Hall. So please, please stop harping on Tony.... This is really starting to grate with the  (up to the end of the show) the demo liaison officer of the  Show.

 

baz

Baz,

 

I haven't mentioned it for a while, though others have. 

 

I'll say no more.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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I've just spent a really wonderful afternoon in the company of members of the 2mm Scale Association, at one of their regular meetings at the home of Laurie Adams. 

 

I was the guest speaker, talking about Little Bytham. 

 

Thank all of you for being so generous with your praise of what I said and what I showed. It would appear I offended nobody (I must be slipping), and the whole thing went really well, with some very interesting questions and post-talk discussions.

 

Particular thanks to Laurie for the hospitality. 

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7 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

 

Hello Tony

 

Some 'wagon observations' to consider...

 

Those packing cases in the wagon in the middle foreground look precarious. And the same goes for the load in what looks like a Lowfit behind a Shocvan in the crane dock to the far right.

 

Brian

He's not the only one, I remember seeing a well-known exhibition layout which had been featured in modelling press where a train was running with a single Type A container on one end of a conflat wagon.

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5 minutes ago, TheSignalEngineer said:

He's not the only one, I remember seeing a well-known exhibition layout which had been featured in modelling press where a train was running with a single Type A container on one end of a conflat wagon.

The modeller of goods traffic isn't helped here by relatively few published photographs of such trains being taken from a higher vantage point (quite apart from almost all photographers concentrating on the locomotive).  While this doesn't excuse dodgy loads on a flat wagon, I often see mineral wagons - especially hoppers - so overloaded they would be dangerously unstable.  I have seen a wonderful shot somewhere of Middlesbrough Docks where the caption notes that while the hoppers only appear about 1/3rd full, they are actually loaded to capacity.

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1 hour ago, polybear said:

 

The only thing you haven't mentioned is flux...

I always use flux . I am doing my normal technique and it is just not responding as normal. I have never known a tip to refuse solder once it has melted it.

it has totally perplexed me. 

Richard

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4 minutes ago, richard i said:

I always use flux . I am doing my normal technique and it is just not responding as normal. I have never known a tip to refuse solder once it has melted it.

it has totally perplexed me. 

Richard

 

Is it a plated tip that has lost its plating?

 

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2 hours ago, richard i said:

Quiz question if I can to all who solder.

i have fired up my temperature controlled iron after a 6 month hiatus. It would not solder joins. Why?

i thought it was the heat setting, tried hotter and colder it did not affect it. 

I tried changing the tip

i changed the solder and tried low melt too.

i cleaned the brass with a file.

all it would do was melt the solder into small balls but the iron would not tin or pick it up. 

If I fed the solder on to the brass it struggled to flow. 

 

Any ideas what what am I doing wrong? 

Many thanks

Richard .

Its odd that it is happening on different tips ?

 

I had this with one of my tips and I managed to sort it by using Powerflow flux. First I put the tip into the powerflow and let it sizzle for a while. I then put a decent blob onto the solder itself and melted the solder through the flux and this seemed to do the trick allowing me to re tin the tip. .... might be worth a try.

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1 minute ago, 31A said:

 

Is it a plated tip that has lost its plating?

 

I thought that might be it, so I changed the tip and changed the solder after it still did it.  Problem continued.

richard

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Back in the summer I posted some pictures of my under-construction SE&CR E1 class. The loco has now moved through the paint shop (Railmatch light olive) and awaits only lining, lettering, and final details:

 

E1.jpg.9a5e389dd2524f5571cd20a7c6f5ae36.jpg

 

Al

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18 minutes ago, richard i said:

I thought that might be it, so I changed the tip and changed the solder after it still did it.  Problem continued.

richard

Hi Richard

 

Take it down the club on Monday night I am sure Jim will fix it.

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2 hours ago, richard i said:

Quiz question if I can to all who solder.

i have fired up my temperature controlled iron after a 6 month hiatus. It would not solder joins. Why?

i thought it was the heat setting, tried hotter and colder it did not affect it. 

I tried changing the tip

i changed the solder and tried low melt too.

i cleaned the brass with a file.

all it would do was melt the solder into small balls but the iron would not tin or pick it up. 

If I fed the solder on to the brass it struggled to flow. 

 

Any ideas what what am I doing wrong? 

Many thanks

Richard .

 

Silly question Richard, since all of the sensible ones have been asked:  Is your unit set to 110V US or 220V EU?

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1 hour ago, Lecorbusier said:

 (I have built an etched wagon and etched 3 wheel coach prior to this).

 

The latter sounds interesting :jester:

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