Dave F more photos added 21 June from 1947 to 1955ish

[DaveF]

Once again this afternoon we are mainly in the Nottingham area with a quick trip to both the Lincolnshire coast and Rugby.

 

For those who are not too sure of the railway geography of the area you may need some maps.

 

Nottingham Victoria B1 61376 station pilot le 1953 JVol3070

 

Sutton on Sea K2 61746 pass Boston to Grimsby c1952 JVol3071

 

Bagthorpe Junction B1 ex pass Manchester to Marylebone c1952 JVol3072

 

Bottesford East Junction view towards south junction c1952 JVol3073

 

New Basford J39 down goods c1952 JVol3074

 

Rugby Central B1 ex pass Manchester to Marylebone c1953 JVol3075

 

Basford West Junction MR J6 is on GN Derby line bridge c1951 JVol3076

 

Daybrook WD down goods c1954 JVol3078

 

More to come later on again.

 

David

Edited April 22, 2013 by DaveF

[jwealleans]

JVol3076 - that J11 is a J6 (or similar), Dave.

[DaveF]

This evenings batch, starting in Daybrook and ending up in Spalding.  For those who don't know Nottingham Daybrook was on the "back line" built by the Great Northern which ran to the north of the city, forming part of two ovals, to the east of the station was the junction with the suburban line, the other line went to Gedling from which you could still reach Nottingham VIctoria or travel direct to Grantham.  Lines in the Nottingham area were quite complicated. 

 

Daybrook L1 Basford and Bulwell to Nottingham Victoria via the back line c1954 JVol3079

 

Daybrook wagons including ICI tanker in up goods c1954 JVol3080

 

Nottingham Midland D11 62667 Somme pass Nottingham to Lincoln c1953 JVol3082

 

Grantham Ivatt 4MT 43080 pass Grantham to Nottingham VIctoria c1952 JVol3083

 

Barkston A2 up ex pass c1959 JVol3084

There are a few photos in his albums taken around 1959, he hadn't a darkroom then so I don't know why he reverted to monochrome.  I remember the day out with him at Barkston as it was the first time I was allowed to use his camera to take a photo.

 

Sleaford J39 up special c1952 JVol3085

 

Sleaford K2 61771 up special c1952J Vol3086

 

Sleaford J39 up special c1952 JVol3087

 

David

Edited April 23, 2013 by DaveF

[andyrush]

Pedants corner...

Huntingdon East J15 5451 down pick up goods c1947 JVol3054

I reckon it is an up train and it looks as though the engine is about to pull forward to run round the train prior to backing onto the GN up goods line and then going head first through the south end ladder to gain access to the goods yard on the down side of the North station. I understand that propelling the whole train through the ladder was frowned on (although that happened in plenty of places on the GN in the London area). After shunting the GN yard, the return train would come back across one of the ladders with the engine on the south end, propel back into the East station and then run round again before heading back to Cambridge.

 

This scan of a 1954 Control Office diagram should make the moves clear.

[DaveF]

Pedants corner...

Huntingdon East J15 5451 down pick up goods c1947 JVol3054

I reckon it is an up train and it looks as though the engine is about to pull forward to run round the train prior to backing onto the GN up goods line and then going head first through the south end ladder to gain access to the goods yard on the down side of the North station. I understand that propelling the whole train through the ladder was frowned on (although that happened in plenty of places on the GN in the London area). After shunting the GN yard, the return train would come back across one of the ladders with the engine on the south end, propel back into the East station and then run round again before heading back to Cambridge.

 

This scan of a 1954 Control Office diagram should make the moves clear.

Huntingdon 1954 Op Dgm.jpg

 

Andy,

 

Many thanks for the plan and notes.  An up train would make a lot more sense.  Huntingdon is a place I never visited at all, apart from passing through it on the ECML so I was unable to check out Dad's caption.

 

Having now had  a look at the back of the print it is stated to be a "St Ives to Huntingdon pick up goods", which logically is an up train.  I've no idea why he wrote "down" in his catalogue for the album! 

 

David

Edited April 22, 2013 by DaveF

[Fat Controller]

A GW Siphon G has crept into Nottingham Midland alongside 62667; #3082.

There was a regular booked working for a Siphon G from Nottingham to Neyland with tobacco products during the 1950s- it is mentioned a few times in 'The Red Dragon and his friends'

[62613]

Are all those at Spalding 'Tulip Specials?'

[andyrush]

Are all those at Spalding 'Tulip Specials?'

They can't be Tulip Specials because they are not taken at Spalding! 

 

All three photos show eastbound trains at Sleaford East - see the signal box nameplate visible in one of the pictures (JVol3085 and JVol3087 look to be the same train). They are down trains bound for (probably) Skegness or Mablethorpe as they are taking the main line to Boston, rather than the curve to Sleaford South Junction

 

a view of the area can be found here: https://picasaweb.google.com/100714154953338576156/OldPicturesOfSleafordLincolnshireBennetPanton#5505966964752469666

 

Andy

[62613]

O.K. Andy, I was just going off the title of the photo as put up by Dave!

[DaveF]

They can't be Tulip Specials because they are not taken at Spalding! 

 

All three photos show eastbound trains at Sleaford East - see the signal box nameplate visible in one of the pictures (JVol3085 and JVol3087 look to be the same train). They are down trains bound for (probably) Skegness or Mablethorpe as they are taking the main line to Boston, rather than the curve to Sleaford South Junction

 

a view of the area can be found here: https://picasaweb.google.com/100714154953338576156/OldPicturesOfSleafordLincolnshireBennetPanton#5505966964752469666

 

Andy

 

Thanks for the correction.  Why is it the captions I check are always right, the ones I copy from Dad's notesare wrong?  

 

Once again I should have noticed, I used to drive over the crossing at Sleaford regularly back in the early 70s.

 

David

[andyrush]

Thanks for the correction.  Why is it the captions I check are always right, the ones I copy from Dad's notesare wrong?  

 

Once again I should have noticed, I used to drive over the crossing at Sleaford regularly back in the early 70s.

 

David

Don't worry about it! Keep them coming.....

 

Andy

[DaveF]

This afternoon we again look at the Great Central as well as a couple of other locations nearer London.  My apologies for the "white stripes", some of the prints are not in the best of condition in this batch.

 

Nottingham Goods south B1 61184 ex pass Marylebone to Manchester c1952 JVol3088

I'm not sure exactly where Dad was standing.  There seem to be very few photos taken between just south of Arkwright Street and Wilford Bridge on the GC over the River Trent, I can't even find ones in books on the GC.  I'm always hoping that one day I'll find a photo of Nottingham Goods.

 

Nottingham Goods south (I think) O1 63687up goods c1952 JVol3089

 

Weekday Cross A5 pass Grantham to Derby Friargate c1952 JVol3090

 

Bethnal Green Junction left B1 Yarmouth to Liverpool St right B17 Liverpool St to Kings Lynn c1948 JVol3091

 

Loughborough Central V2 60963 up fish c1951 JVol3092

 

Bethnal Green Junction B1 Yarmouth to Liverpool St c1948 JVol3093

 

Loughborough Central water tower c1951 JVol3094

 

Hitchin LNER Sentinel Y3 8175 in loco yard c1948 JVol3095

 

Edited for typos.

 

David

Edited April 23, 2013 by DaveF

[Grafarman]

'Bethnal Green Junction left B1 Yarmouth to Liverpool St right B17 Liverpool St to Kings Lynn c1948'

 

That's a superb instantly-recognisable picture on a line I've travelled so many times in the last 20 years - would that it looked like that now...although the skyline may have changed somewhat!!

 

David

[jwealleans]

JVol 3091 - Great Eastern, Great Central and North Eastern coaches all in the one shot.  Pretty sure the first two are vestibuled and the third one isn't as well - try running that on a model.

 

JVol 3095 - another PO wagon with the owner's details painted on when the original markings became illegible.  Excellent.

[LNERGE]

Huntingdon Ouse Bridge rebuilding up line c 1949 JVol3055.jpg

Huntingdon Ouse Bridge rebuilding up line cMay 1949 JVol3055

 

 

David

I suspect this diagram has something to do with the bridge works..

 

 

Were the original cast iron supports incorporated into the new brick piers? It would make it a difficult job to pull them out and build the coffer dams to erect totally new piers?

Edited April 23, 2013 by LNERGE

[LNERGE]

The nearest bridge in this picture is the newest.. I have always wondered if the cast iron collumbs are inside the brickwork. It seems odd not to have been built up to the height of the adjacent structure.

 

 

This is the remaining cast iron structure on ECM1..

 

[DaveF]

This evening's batch -Cambridge, Lincoln, Grantham and the GC main line.

 

Cambridge South O7 WD down goods c1948 JVol3096

 

Cambridge south B1 61094 Cambridge to Kings X and B1 KIngs X to Cambridge c1948 JVol3097

 

Cambridge south B1 61094 pass Cambridge to Kings Cross c1948 JVol3098

 

Loughborough Central B1 up pass c1950 JVol3099

 

Lincoln Central up pass c1949 JVol310

 

Cambridge B1 1286 Liverpool St to Yarmouth c1948 JVol3102

 

Arkwright Street B1 61202 ex pass Manchester to Marylebone c1950 JVol3103

 

Grantham North A3 60080 Dick Turpin up Northumbrian c1949 JVol3104

 

Edited to correct a caption.

David

Edited April 23, 2013 by DaveF

[andyrush]

I suspect this diagram has something to do with the bridge works..

 

PC044324.JPG

 

Were the original cast iron supports incorporated into the new brick piers? It would make it a difficult job to pull them out and build the coffer dams to erect totally new piers?

I don't think that diagram is anything to do with the bridge 144 reconstruction. It is after the closure of No.1 signal box on 13 March 1977, and I think it is to do with the rebuilding of the station in preparation for electrification.

 

The cast iron pillars of the original bridge 144 were indeed encased in brickwork and concrete as can be seen from these two pictures taken on 20 May 1949 and 16 June 1949

 

[Armchair Modeller]

Those bridges look like they would make a fantastic diorama!

 

Thanks again for sharing all these wonderful photos with us. They deserve to go in a publication, so we can all treasure them at will.

[45568]

I was born in Arnold and Daybrook was the nearest station.

 According to my mam, she would wheel me in my pram to Daybrook and I would watch the trains for hours.

 It was also the southern headquarters of Be-Ro flour. My father worked for Be-Ro in Birmingham when I was older, and would frequently have to go to Daybrook for various reasons.I accompanied him sometimes, spending my time on the station. After the Mapperley tunnel collapse, the line saw very little use. My last memory is of O1 63591 shunting the yard.

I can also run my ICI bogie tanks in the knowledge they did visit this area!! Thanks Dave.

Cheers,

Peter C.

[rd84]

Hi David,

 

Really enjoying this thread - thanks for posting all of these wonderful photo's. 

 

I particularly enjoyed seeing a photo of the Charnwood Forest Railway near loughborough since photo's of this line are so rare.......

 

 

 

Your Dad must have been on his way to photograph the Midland or GCR at Loughborough when he saw this old forgotten railway ?

 

Many thanks.

 

Regards

Paul

[DaveF]

This afternoon's photos once again involve Nottingham, Grantham and Cambridge.  As always Dad was taking advantage of his track pass.

 

Weekday Cross Junction D2 pass Derby Friargate to Grantham c1950 JVol3105

 

Bulwell Common J39 64807 shunting c1950 JVol3106

 

Grantham North A1 up ex pass c1949 JVol3107

 

Grantham North K3 Grantham to Boston c1951JVol3108

 

Stanford on Soar north of Loughborough ex pass York to Swansea and O1 down goods c1951 JVol3109

 

Wilford Bridge River Trent GC V2 ex pass Marylebone to Manchester c1951 JVol3110

 

Cambridge South B1 down pass Kings Cross to Cambridge c1948 JVol3111

 

Cambridge B1 1285 down ex pass Liverpool St to Kings Lynn c1947 JVol3112

 

David

Edited April 24, 2013 by DaveF

[DaveF]

Hi David,

 

Really enjoying this thread - thanks for posting all of these wonderful photo's. 

 

I particularly enjoyed seeing a photo of the Charnwood Forest Railway near loughborough since photo's of this line are so rare.......

 

 

 

Your Dad must have been on his way to photograph the Midland or GCR at Loughborough when he saw this old forgotten railway ?

 

Many thanks.

 

Regards

Paul

 

Mum came from Loughborough so they may just have been walking in the area .

 

David

[rd84]

Mum came from Loughborough so they may just have been walking in the area .

 

David

 

Hi David,

 

I was trying to figure out the location of this photo - I think it was near Thorpe Acre probably from the Old Ashby Road bridge looking towards Loughborough, Derby Road station.

 

www.old-maps.co.uk :- 451748 , 319508 - 1/2500 map 1919-1921 - bridge in bottom left corner

 

Cheers

Paul

Edited April 24, 2013 by rd84

[DaveF]

Some more for this evening.  Quite a variety of places and some in colour.  The colour ones were prints made in 1960 from Dad's slides.  

 

 

Loughborough Central B1 up Manchester to Marylebone c1950 JVol3113

 

Cambridge South J15 pass Haverhill to Cambridge c1948 JVol3114

 

Barkston A4 60010 Dominion of Canada up Flying Scotsman Aug 55 JVol3115

 

Barkston A3 60063 Isinglass up ex pass Newcastle to Kings Cross Aug 55 JVol3116

 

Burton Salmon c1955 JVol3117

 

Banbury GWR 6696 le c1948 JVol3119

 

London Victoria Batle of Britain 34067 Tangmere le c1952 JVol3120

 

London Victoria West Country 34101 Hartland boat train Victoria to Dover c1952 JVol3121

 

David

Edited April 24, 2013 by DaveF