Dave F more photos added 21 June from 1947 to 1955ish

[DaveF]

This evening we'll spend most of our time looking at the Great Central with a visit to the Great Northern at Rectory Junction followed by another trip to Manchester.  

 

Note: The Manchester photos are already on flickr if they seem a bit familiar.

 

Loughborough Central Class 5 45405 up ecs 1953JVol3019

 

Rectory Junction Colwick yard WD up goods c1952 JVol3020

 

Nottingham Victoria J5 65493 shunting c1952 JVol3021

 

Carrington O4 63733 up goods c1953 JVol3022

 

Carrington B1 61315 Manchester to Marylebone c1953 JVol3023

 

Carrington O1 63630 up le and brake c1953 JVol3024

 

Manchester London Road C13 67403 ecs c1954 JVol3025

 

Manchetser London Road MSJA emu c1954 JVol3026

 

David

[250BOB]

Nice picture of your Grandfather earlier......have you one of the guy responsible for these marvellous pictures...your dad of course.  I'm sure we would all like to shake his hand and thank him if we could.

 

Bob.

[dagrizz]

I may have used Victoria - just can't remember! 44 years ago this month, I caught one of the last DMUs from Rugby to Nottingham, but may have alighted at Arkwright St, since I needed to get back to London via the Midland route. I'd love to say I have some pics, but the new Zenith E turned out to have an exposure meter about 1.5 stops out, so the slides were a bit over-groiled, sadly.

 

 

Ian,

 

If it was 44 years ago (1969) then it will have been a Rugby - Nottm Arkwright St DMU service. There were no services to Nottm Victoria at this time. Saturday May 3rd 1969 (I think that date is correct) was the last day for this DMU service.

 

Regards

 

Graham

[DaveF]

Nice picture of your Grandfather earlier......have you one of the guy responsible for these marvellous pictures...your dad of course.  I'm sure we would all like to shake his hand and thank him if we could.

 

Bob.

 

I'll have to see what I can find.

David

[DaveF]

As requested, a couple of photos of Dad.  

 

Dad was 21 when he took the earliest photos in this thread (1947) after he returned from the army in India having been very ill.  He took his last railway photo a few days before he died in 2005.  His "policy" on railway photography was simple - if he could he took a photo of every train he saw, together with anything else of interest.  He always said a real railway enthusiast should be interested in all aspects of railways, not just locomotives.  He enjoyed photographing diesels and electrics as much as steam so after 1968 he kept on taking photos.  To him a railway was anything which had wheels and ran on rails - even rails on slipways could count!

 

He went just about everywhere with Mum, once I was old enough she generally accompanied him on his trips, she is still a keen photographer - and takes railway pictures.  She always encouraged his railway modelling, so he had his railway and photography room and she had her sewing and photography room!  But as I've mentioned earlier she worked for a time around the end of the war as a steam turbine designer at the Brush works in Loughborough after she gained her degree, so she likes anything mechanical.

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Dad at Pilmoor in 1966

 

Dad and Mum Golden Wedding Day 2003

 

David

Edited April 19, 2013 by DaveF

[250BOB]

Thanks for posting the pics of your mum and dad.

How lucky we all are that he took such fantastic photographs, and so many too.

Bob

[Peter Kazmierczak]

David,

The picture of the WD at Colwick clearly illustrates the vast, open nature of the site.

Carrington would make the basis for an interesting model, set as it was between two tunnels. No opportunities for any shunting though.

Edited April 20, 2013 by Western Sunset

[DaveF]

This afternoon we have two more photos in Manchester and the rest are on the GC and GN around Nottingham.

 

Manchester London Road A5 69806 c1954 JVol3027

 

Manchester London Road emu to Glossop and Hadfield c1954 JVol3028

 

New Basford O1 63879 down empty coal c1952 JVol3029

 

Bagthorpe Junction O1 up coal c1952 JVol3030

 

 

Basford and Bulwell K2 61777 le c1952 JVol3031

 

Basford and Bulwell GN shunting signals c1952 JVol3032

 

Bagthorpe Junction J11 propelling brake van c1952 JVol3033

 

Bullwell GC J5 65486 up ballast train wrong line c1952 JVol3035

 

David

[DaveF]

Time now for this evening's trip back in time.  Once again we are paying quick visits to locations around Nottingham on the GCR and GNR and on to Loughborough.

 

New Basford Haydn Road Bridge A5 up pass c1952 JVol3037

 

Bulwell GC J5 65486 ballast train working wrong line c1952 JVol3038

 

Nottingham London Road Goods GN J52 68814 c1952 JVol3039

 

Carrington N1 up pass Pinxton to Nottingham Victoria c1953 JVol3040

 

Carrington A5 69877 up le c1953JVol3041

 

Bagthorpe Junction Signal Box c1950 JVol3043

 

Loughborough Central rear of goods train in down loop c1950 JVol3044

 

Annesley J5 up pw train c1953 JVol3045

 

David

[melmerby]

Hi Dave.

 

Another cracking set.

 

Is the ballast train actually going backwards up the correct track? The smoke/steam appears to suggest that, plus a crew member looking backwards!

 

Keith

[62613]

Can anyone identify the brake van in no. 3304? Judging by the number, it's a pre-group design - with 8 wheels

[65179]

Can anyone identify the brake van in no. 3304? Judging by the number, it's a pre-group design - with 8 wheels

It's a GNR one isn't it? There is a photo of a similar 20T van with slightly higher set footboards in Tatlow's LNER Wagons (the single volume - don't have the relevant volume of the series to hand)

 

Simon

[DaveF]

Hi Dave.

 

Another cracking set.

 

Is the ballast train actually going backwards up the correct track? The smoke/steam appears to suggest that, plus a crew member looking backwards!

 

Keith

 

I did wonder that too but decided to stick with Dad's notes.     I wondered if it was moving up and down as required - which I have seen elsewhere, Dad usually got the main direction of movement right.  Remember that the image numbers are not always indicative of the time they were taken, the prints had notes on the back as to location (but not much else) and were put into albums in a fairly random order.  Fortunately Dad also made notes in exercise books as he put them into albums.

 

David

Edited April 20, 2013 by DaveF

[hmrspaul]

It's a GNR one isn't it? There is a photo of a similar 20T van with slightly higher set footboards in Tatlow's LNER Wagons (the single volume - don't have the relevant volume of the series to hand)

 

Simon

Yes GNR,

Tatlow, P.  (2005) LNER Wagons, Volume 1, LNER Southern Area. Wild Swan,. ISBN 1-905184-03-4.

 

Has a drawing of Code 4127 van with the footboards set higher than the wheel centres, but a photo of one with the footboards low as on this one. Introduced in 1913 and only 49 on the stock list in 1947, so a very nice shot. Quite interesting that all sign of NE has disappeared, although the wagon appears not to have had a repaint, although neatly rebranded, and no attempt to put a black ground behind the BR numbers.

 

Just to add my thanks for a wonderful set of photographs, this early BR period is very interesting and difficult to capture on models, as there was so little repainting of stock.

 

Paul Bartlett

[LNER4479]

Yes GNR,

Tatlow, P.  (2005) LNER Wagons, Volume 1, LNER Southern Area. Wild Swan,. ISBN 1-905184-03-4.

 

Has a drawing of Code 4127 van with the footboards set higher than the wheel centres, but a photo of one with the footboards low as on this one. Introduced in 1913 and only 49 on the stock list in 1947, so a very nice shot. Quite interesting that all sign of NE has disappeared, although the wagon appears not to have had a repaint, although neatly rebranded, and no attempt to put a black ground behind the BR numbers.

 

Just to add my thanks for a wonderful set of photographs, this early BR period is very interesting and difficult to capture on models, as there was so little repainting of stock.

 

Paul Bartlett

Currently building one for my project!

 

Great to see one 'out and about' in the post-war era. How thoughtful of your dad Dave to point his camera at the rear of the train. He obviously recognised something a little distinctive/unusual - judging by the comments since, so too do forum members!

[DaveF]

Somewhat earlier than usual here are the first batch for today.  Once again we are in the Nottingham area but have time for a flying visit to Kings Cross Loco and then on to Louth.

 

Annesley Tunnel K2 and K3 up fish c1952 JVol3046

 

London Kings Cross B1 61093 and L1 c1952 JVol3047

 

Holinwell Halt Annesley ambulance carriage and ambulance van c1952 JVol3048

 

Nottingham Victoria K2 61729 pass Nottingham to Grantham c1952 JVol3049

 

Nottingham Victoria B1 61317 ex pass Marylebone to Manchester c1952 JVol3050

 

Louth C12 67398 pas Willoughby to Louth via Mablethorpe c1952 JVol3051

 

Louth C12 pass Louth to Grimsby c1952 JVol3052

The coaches appear to be lined, apparently this was done with some of the first crimson non corridor stock repaints by BR.  Until 1956 the loco was allocated to Louth.  It would not have been taken in the days of maroon BR non corridor stock as it appears that the only time we went into Louth was when we stayed there in either 1952 or 3.   I don't remember it (I would have been 3 or 4) but when I was in Louth a few years ago I had a remarkable sense of deja vue.  

Also by the time stock was painted maroon Dad was doing no monochrome photography as he no longer had a darkroom.

 

Bagthorpe Junction O4 down goods c1952 JVol3053

[DaveF]

This evening's set are a mix of locations on ex GNR, GCR and GNR lines, including some civil engineering work.

 

Huntingdon East J15 5451 up pick up goods c1947 JVol3054

 

Huntingdon Ouse Bridge rebuilding up line cMay 1949 JVol3055

 

Huntingdon North A1 60122 unnamed pass Peterborough to Kings Cross c1948 JVol3056

 

Cambridge B1 up pass Cambridge to Kings Cross c1948 JVol3065

 

Kings Cross N2 pass Kings Cross to Hatfield c1948 JVol3066

 

Nottingham Victoria A5 up pass Mansfield to Nottingham c1950 JVol3067

 

Nottingham Victoria Union Road overbridge under repair c1950 JVol3068

 

Stanford on Soar north of Loughborough GC B1 61158 ex pass Marylebone to Sheffield c1950 JVol3069

 

David

Edited April 22, 2013 by DaveF

[Oldddudders]

I have a feeling the N2 is coming out of KX suburban side, not Moorgate via the Widened Lines, which I think are to the right?

[DaveF]

Another super selection.

 

E4 No. 5451 is a J15.  

 

I don't know why I put E4, Dad's notes clearly say J15.  Perhaps I need new reading glasses.

 

I have a feeling the N2 is coming out of KX suburban side, not Moorgate via the Widened Lines, which I think are to the right?

 

That makes sense.

 

I've amended the captions.

 

Many thanks to you both.

 

David

[melmerby]

I have a feeling the N2 is coming out of KX suburban side, not Moorgate via the Widened Lines, which I think are to the right?

What was the layout at King's Cross?

 

I have a 1935 atlas and it shows the down Moorgate line on the St Pancras side and the Up line on the York Way side, The suburban station is shown on the St Pancras side.

Either way the train pictured couldn't be coming from the widened lines!

 

Keith

[Clive Mortimore]

What was the layout at King's Cross?

 

I have a 1935 atlas and it shows the down Moorgate line on the St Pancras side and the Up line on the York Way side, The suburban station is shown on the St Pancras side.

Either way the train pictured couldn't be coming from the widened lines!

 

Keith

Hi Keith and David

 

The N2 at Kings Cross is leaving the then Platform 13. The end Platform 16 which faces the line coming up from the widened lines can be behind the locomotive.

 

Clive

Edited April 21, 2013 by Clive Mortimore

[Oldddudders]

What was the layout at King's Cross?

 

I have a 1935 atlas and it shows the down Moorgate line on the St Pancras side and the Up line on the York Way side, The suburban station is shown on the St Pancras side.

Either way the train pictured couldn't be coming from the widened lines!

 

Yes, the Widened Lines access was either side of the GN station. The up line went into tunnel behind the signalbox, the down line emerged outside the suburban trainshed. When I was working (relative expression) on the KX project a decade ago, the contractors had broken into and then filled the down tunnel, I think.

[melmerby]

Hi Keith and David

 

The N2 at Kings Cross is leaving the then Platform 13. The end Platform 16 which faces the line coming up from the widened lines can be behind the locomotive.

 

Clive

Thanks

 

That clears it up.

 

Keith

[andyrush]

Re: Huntingdon Ouse Bridge rebuilding up line c 1949 JVol3055

Ah, bridge reconstruction! (Well it takes all sorts....)

The up line spans of bridge 144 were reconstructed between April and November of 1949 with a temporary signal box and signalling provided.

 

I reckon the stage depicted in your Dad's photo, which shows the up goods line girders ready for removal, is early May 1949 (certainly by 20th of that month, when they had been removed)

 

Here is an elevated view looking north dated 4 July showing the new girders for both up lines in place with track laid on the up goods. An up express is crossing the bridge using the temporary slue from the up fast to the down fast over the bridge. All down traffic was using the down goods, again over temporary connections etc. The former Midland single line from Kettering to Huntingdon East can be seen on the right

 

Industrialogical Associates collection

Edited April 21, 2013 by andyrush

[DaveF]

Re: Huntingdon Ouse Bridge rebuilding up line c 1949 JVol3055

Ah, bridge reconstruction! (Well it takes all sorts....)

The up line spans of bridge 144 were reconstructed between April and November of 1949 with a temporary signal box and signalling provided.

 

I reckon the stage depicted in your Dad's photo, which shows the up goods line girders ready for removal, is early May 1949 (certainly by 20th of that month, when they had been removed)

 

Here is an elevated view looking north dated 4 July showing the new girders for both up lines in place with track laid on the up goods. An up express is crossing the bridge using the temporary slue from the up fast to the down fast over the bridge. All down traffic was using the down goods, again over temporary connections etc. The former Midland single line from Kettering to Huntingdon East can be seen on the right

 

GN14-15-03.jpg

 

RMWeb really is a superb source of information, very many thanks Andy.

 

David