Dave F more photos added 21 June from 1947 to 1955ish

[DaveF]

The workings in nos. 2004/6/8 are specials, surely?

 

I think they probably are, some trains with reporting numbers were noted by Dad as specials, I'll have another look in his notes and if so I'll amend the captions.

Edit:

Yes there are notes of them all being specials written on the back of the prints.

 

David

Edited April 2, 2013 by DaveF

[chris45lsw]

You're not kidding! This is one of (the?) ex-GN articulated Louth set(s). Almost certainly the following (or one just like it):

 

GN artic set E47914E.jpg

 

There was a good deal of parsimonious 're-cycling' of old GNR 6-wheel and 8-wheel stock to form articulated rakes in the pre-war era and I'm hoping to put together such a rake for my project.

 

Thanks ever so much once again for taking the time to post.

 

(Love the glimpse of the D2 at Nottm Vic as well!)

 

You're not kidding! This is one of (the?) ex-GN articulated Louth set(s). Almost certainly the following (or one just like it):

 

GN artic set E47914E.jpg

 

There was a good deal of parsimonious 're-cycling' of old GNR 6-wheel and 8-wheel stock to form articulated rakes in the pre-war era and I'm hoping to put together such a rake for my project.

 

Thanks ever so much once again for taking the time to post.

 

(Love the glimpse of the D2 at Nottm Vic as well!)

Yes it is the same set - this Quad-art was a unique one off & lasted to, at least, 1954 mainly on the Mablethorpe loop.  It was formed 42ft BT(4) 47911, 32ft T(5) 47912, 36ft T(saloon) 47913 & 42ft BC (2/3) 47914.  And, yes, the end brakes were originally rigid 8 wheelers.  Does anyone know of any other artics made from old GNR 6 wheelers etc which lasted long into BR days? 

 

Fascinating & priceless set of photos in general; keep them coming, please!

 

Chris Knowles-Thomas   

[DaveF]

I've been checking through Dad''s notes and also looking at the rebuild dates for the Royal Scots.

 

It now seems that the Rugby photos from yesterday were probably taken in 1952 rather than 1954, as 46134 was rebuilt in 1953.  There seem to be too many new Mk1 coaches for it to be 1951

 

I have therefore amended the captions.

 

My apologies for misleading anyone.

 

David

[DaveF]

We'll be spending all today around Rugby again.

 

As you may already have noticed I have further information on the dates for these photos, it now appears they were taken in 1952.

 

Rugby Jubilee class 45644 Howe up ex pass c1952 JVol2009

 

Rugby Coronation Class down special c1952 JVol2010

 

Rugby Royal Scot 46127 Old Contemptibles up special c1952 JVol2011

 

Rugby Rebuilt Patriot up ex special c1952 JVol2012

 

Rugby Class 5 45574 up special c1952 JVol2013

 

Rugby Class 5 down special c1952 JVol2014

 

Rugby 4F special from Peterborough area c1952 JVol2015

 

Rugby rebuilt Patriot 45336 Private W Wood VC down ex pass c1952 JVol2016

 

Rugby Jubilee class 45650 Blake up special c1952 JVol2017

 

More later.

 

David

Edited April 3, 2013 by DaveF

[Leander]

The fact that these locos carry train reporting numbers doesn't necessarily mean that they were 'Special' workings. In fact they were probably taken on a summer Saturday when many (most) trains carried them on the WCML. In fact it was mandatory that trains running through Preston carried them for regulation purposes.

 

Train reporting numbers above 500 did indicate a special working. Up trains were even numbers and down trains carried odd numbers. the 'W' indicates Western Division of the LMR.

[DaveF]

This evening's batch still at Rugby around 1952.

 

Rugby Brittania 70031 Byron up Mancunian c1952 JVol2018

 

Rugby 46239 City of Chester down ex pass c1952 JVol2018a

 

Rugby 46247 City of Liverpool down Mid Day Scot c1952 JVol2018b

 

Rugby Jubilee up ex pass c1952 JVol2018c

 

Rugby Rebuilt Patriot 45735 Comet up Ulster Express c1952 JVol2018d

 

Rugby Jubilee 45592 Indore up ex pass c1952 JVol2019

 

 Rugby Jubilee 45575 Madras up ex pass c1952 JVol2020

 

Rugby Royal Scot 46154 The Hussar down ex pass c1952 JVol2021

 

Rugby 42576 up pass c1952 Vol2022

 

David

Edited April 3, 2013 by DaveF

[gresley]

This afternoon's photos are a mix of Great Central, Liverpool and one at Kings Cross.  Just for a change there are no freight trains and some photos are taken from a train.

 

Nottingham Victoria south end 1951 JVol1345.jpg

Nottingham Victoria south end 1951 JVol1345

 

Nottingham Victoria south end from train 1951 JVol1293.jpg

Nottingham Victoria south end from train 1951 JVol1293

 

South of Weekday cross from train 1951 JVol1294.jpg

South of Weekday cross from train 1951 JVol1294

 

Arkwright Street station from train 1951 JVol1295.jpg

Arkwright Street station from train 1951 JVol1295

 

Liverpool St B1 1286 1948 JVol1292.jpg

Liverpool St B1 1286 1948 JVol1292

 

Liverpool Street B1 1285 1948 JVol1299.jpg

Liverpool Street B1 1285 1948 JVol1299

 

Liverpool Street B1 E1057 c1948 JVol1300.jpg

Liverpool Street B1 E1057 c1948 JVol1300

There are not a lot of photos of this loco, 61057, as it was scrapped in 1950 following a collision in fog while hauling (I think) a Peterborough to Liverpool St parcels train.  In this photo it appears to be numbered E1057.  It is known a number of locos around this number carried the E prefix for a short time.

 

Kings X shed K2 and V2 c1948 JVol1317.jpg

Kings X shed L1 and V2 c1948 JVol1317

 

Once again there should be some more this evening.

 

David

Last photo (Kings X shed L1 and V2 c1948 JVol 1317)   I think that is an A3, not a V2.   I dson't remember any V2s with seperate cylinders at that time.

 

gresley

[DaveF]

Last photo (Kings X shed L1 and V2 c1948 JVol 1317)   I think that is an A3, not a V2.   I dson't remember any V2s with seperate cylinders at that time.

 

gresley

 

Thanks Gresley,

 

I think I'm inclined to agree with you, despite Dad's catalogue!  I've had several notes about the loco, split roughly 50:50 for V2 and A3!

 

David

Edited April 3, 2013 by DaveF

[melmerby]

46205 was the 'Princess' class with the modified valve gear; rocking shafts to the inside valves.    This was a reverse of the GWR 4 cylinder engine layout; inside valve gear, rocking shafts to the outside valves.

Which of course was refined by Stanier and used on all the Coronations.

 

Keith

[LNER4479]

Some for this evening with a mix of locations.

 

Grantham J6 pass Grantham to Nottingham, D3 62000 le and A3 Sept 1950 JVol1366.jpg

Grantham J6 pass Grantham to Nottingham, D3 62000 le and A3 Sept 1950 JVol1366

 

Grantham D3 62000 pass Grantham to Lincoln Sept 50 JVol1367.jpg

Grantham D3 62000 pass Grantham to Lincoln Sept 50 JVol1367

 

David

Thanks once again for these postings Dave (from a few days ago now - I'm having a bit of a catch up after a busy Easter weekend!). These two Grantham pics are further valuable research for my project. Interesting that both have caught the fogmans hut, stored in 'face down' position. And the first of the two pictures shows how, on sidings (ie where the D3 is stood) there is no discernable ballast at all, just fine cinders/ash level with sleeper tops everywhere. Great details for modelling.

[gresley]

Thanks Gresley,

 

I think I'm inclined to agree with you, despite Dad's catalogue!  I've had several notes about the loco, split roughly 50:50 for V2 and A3!

 

David

David,

 

According to Yeadon's Register, V2s,, the replacement of the monoblocs by separate cylinders began in 1956, the first loco so fitted was No 60886 during Apr/May 1956.

(see pages 20 and 22).

 

gresley

[DaveF]

David,

 

According to Yeadon's Register, V2s,, the replacement of the monoblocs by separate cylinders began in 1956, the first loco so fitted was No 60886 during Apr/May 1956.

(see pages 20 and 22).

 

gresley

 

Many thanks.

 

Yeadon's Register is one set of books I have (so far) resisted purchasing en masse - but I think I may have to buy them soon!

 

David

[DaveF]

For this afternoon we are back in the East Midlands for most of the photos.

 

Rugby Rebuilt Patriot 45535 Sir Herbert Walker KCB down ex pass c1952 JVol2030

 

Trent 2P 40332 piloting Jubilee down ex pass c1954 JVol2026

 

Trent 2P Derby to Lincoln c1954 JVol2027

 

Trowell 3F 43767 and 8F down goods c1954 JVol2033

 

The same train going away.

Trowell 3F and 8F down goods c1954 JVol2028

 

Lenton North Junction Ivatt Class 4MT 43012 up goods c1952 JVol2024

 

Nottingham London Road Junction WD 90156 up goods c1954 JVol2029

 

Nottingham London Road carriage sidings Johnson 1P 58085 l e c1952 JVol2031

 

David

[DaveF]

This evening's batch.  A bit later than usual - I've just got home from the camera club.  Mainly Trent this time.

 

Nottingham London Road Junction 42333 ecs c1953 JVol2039

 

Trent 4F 44420 down goods c1954 JVol2036

 

Trent 8F 48203 up goods c1954 JVol2038

 

Trent 8F 48463 down goods c1954 JVol2035.

 

Trent 9F 92018 down mineral Brent to Toton c1954/5 JVol2040

 

Trent 9F 92018 down mineral Brent to Toton c1954 JVol2041

 

Trent Compound 40929 pass Nottingham to Derby c1954 JVol2037

 

Trent Jubilee 45688 Polyphemus up ex pass c1954 JVol2042

 

David

Edited April 5, 2013 by DaveF

[Peter Kazmierczak]

An excellent selection from Trent David. Did your dad venture further west to Derby? 92018 was new to Wellingboro@ in October 1954 and judging by the trees at Redhill, I'd say this could be an early 1955 shot.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Western Sunset

[DaveF]

An excellent selection from Trent David. Did your dad venture further west to Derby?

 

Very rarely, just when traveling through the area.  I believe his track permit only went as far west as Trent so he didn't usually go there - he liked either to be out in the country or to have the ability to wander at will - which with a track pass you could as in those days you were not accompanied by anyone and didn't have to arrange anything in advance once you had the permit, which I believe was valid for rather a long time.

 

The photos I have of Derby, 1960s on  (well some of them) are already on my flickr site at:

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/collections/72157626274215250/

 

Then click on the set "Derby in the 60s and 70s".

 

There may be a few more but I am only on the first bit of album 2 and there are 7 in all!

 

David

[65179]

This evening's batch.  A bit later than usual - I've just got home from the camera club.  Mainly Trent this time.

 

Trent Jubilee 45688 Polyphemus up ex pass c1954 JVol2042.jpg

Trent Jubilee 45688 Polyphemus up ex pass c1954 JVol2042

Hi David,

 

These photos are fantastic. As others have said it's always great to see photos from the relatively little photographed immediately pre- and post-nationalisation era. I think the Jubilee at Trent will be 45608 Gibraltar from 20A Holbeck rather than 45688 Polyphemus as Polyphemus was a Western Division loco rather than a Midland one at that time.

 

Simon

[DaveF]

I've only had time to get one set ready to post as I've spent the day at Beamish Museum photographing trams, amongst other things.

 

For this evening there is one in London, the rest are once again around Nottingham.

 

London Victoria Battle Of Britain 34067 Tangmere Dover to Victoria c1951 JVol2049

 

Nottingham London Road Junction Fowler 2-6-4T 42333 ecs c1953 JVol2044

 

Trowell Beyer Garratt 47970 up coal c1953 JVol2045

 

Trent Fairbairn 42182 pass Nottingham to Derby c 1954 JVol2046

 

New Basford B1 61312 up pass Mansfield to Nottingham c1952 JVol2047

 

Nottingham Victoria B1 61185 on turntable c1952 JVol2048

 

New Basford O1 down goods in snow c1952 JVol2050

 

Nottingham Vicoria J2 65015 pass Grantham to Nottingham c1952 JVol2051

 

Hopefully some more again tomorrow.

 

David

[coachmann]

61312 on a Mansfield-Nottingham working is hauling mostly ex GER stock. There is a Clayton arc roof non-corridor coach in an earlier picture behind a Stanier 2-6-4T. Also interesting to see the BR Mk.I's being filtered into some of the more important trains circa 1952.

Edited April 5, 2013 by coachmann

[dagrizz]

Dave, irrespective of any personal allegiances, that was a stunning set of photos. More please!

 

Graham

[Guest]

Hi, Dave.

 

These are really top pics and I'm enjoying this thread hugely. 

 

A thought. Have you considered approaching a publisher with a view to getting these out in book form, some kind of album? They would reach a wider audience and it would be a fitting tribute to your dad and his evident skills with a camera.

[flapland]

Dave, I agree with David there has to be some good commercial value in these photo's should you wish to do so. Also Hattons may be interested in the photo of the Beyer Garratt as they develop with Heljan their model of it.

[DaveF]

Hi, Dave.

 

These are really top pics and I'm enjoying this thread hugely. 

 

A thought. Have you considered approaching a publisher with a view to getting these out in book form, some kind of album? They would reach a wider audience and it would be a fitting tribute to your dad and his evident skills with a camera.

 

 Flapland says:

 

Dave, I agree with David there has to be some good commercial value in these photo's should you wish to do so. Also Hattons may be interested in the photo of the Beyer Garratt as they develop with Heljan their model of it.

 

A long time ago dad thought about it, having been approached by a publisher. At the time I looked at the projected sales figures, the time he would need to get the material ready and the likely return.  In strictly economic terms it was not viable for him.

 

To be honest at present I don't really have the time.  The prints I am scanning from (there are few remaining negatives) need a lot of retouching in Photoshop which is why I only do a few a day.  Although I officially retired (early) some years ago I still do work part time.

 

The other issue is caption accuracy - I am surprised how much extra information is surfacing both here and on flickr, as well as just how many mistakes there are in ones own records, even when they are made at the time.  I wouldn't want things in print if I wasn't certain of the accuracy.

 

I have provided some of both Dad's and my images for magazines and books, so I know how much work it takes.  I am always happy to provide photos to publishers/authors.

 

At present I am putting the images on flickr as well as here, my flickr site generates between 1,000 and 2,000 hits a day.

 

Knowing the sales of many railway books I doubt they would reach a much wider audience.

 

If anyone on flickr or here wants copies of a few photos that's not usually a problem, providing I can e mail them or put them on a DVD.

 

Perhaps one day I will feel able to do it, but not just yet - unless anyone offers me a fabulous deal!

 

David

[DaveF]

Some for this afternoon.  With one exception they are around Nottingham.

 

Nottingham Victoria left B1 pass Nottingham to Leicester right B1 le c1952 JVol2052

 

Nottingham Victoria A5 Leicester to Nottingham in snowstorm c1952 JVol2053

 

Basford and Bulwell GNR pass Nottingham to Derby Friargate c 1952 JVol2054

 

Bagthorpe Junction V2 down goods c1952 JVol2055

 

New Basford O1 63676 down goods c1953 JVol2056

 

Rugby Central V2 down ex pass c1952 JVol2057

 

Bagthorpe Junction V2 up ex pass Manchester to Marylebone c1952 JVol2058

 

 Basford North c1952 JVol2059

 

David

Edited April 6, 2013 by DaveF

[Peter Kazmierczak]

The latest batch - wow!