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The recent forum difficulties seem to have screwed this first post up irretrievably, so I've reconstituted it as an index only. The original pages can be viewed here.

Index to items covered:

GNSR Brake van - Page 29.
3H LNER 5 plank open - Page 6.
51L NBR/LNER D109 9T 4 plank open - Post 7.
51L GCR/LNER Gunpowder Van - Page 2.
51L NBR/LNER 'Jubilee' 8T mineral open - Page 2.
51L HBR/LNER 8T van - Page 25.

51L GCRD019 GCR/LNER 10T 5 plank mineral - Page 52.

51L GCRD020 GCR/LNER 10T open - Page 61.

51L GCRD021 GCR/LNER 10T Loco coal wagon - Page 63.

51L LYRD036 LYR/LMS twin bolster wagons - Page 45.

51L NBRD055 NBR/LNER D55 8T 4 plank open - Post 7.
51L NERDF006 NER/LNER F6 fish van - Page 30.

51L NERDG002 NER/LNER G2A 12T van - Post 7.

51L NSRD009 NSR/LMS D9 van - page 45.

51L NSRD014 NSR/LMS D14 open - page 45.

51L NSRD018 NSR/LMS D18 silk van - Page 61.
ABS MR/LMS Motor Car Van - Post 7.
ABS NER/LNER 20T hopper wagon - Page 17.
ABS LNER D23 fish van - page 30 and page 45.

ABS LNER Twin Case - Page 45.

ABS LNER 6 plank fitted open - page 45.

ABS 897 SR Banana van - Page 52.

Acorn (?) BR Dia 1/270 grain hopper - Page 57.
ACRO LNER Quad bolster - page 39.

ACRO GWR Crocodile H - Page 53.
Connoisseur (?) LNER Refrigerated van - Page 32.
Colin Ashby LNER Loco Coal Wagon - Post 5
Bachmann J72 (conversion to J71) - Page 10.
Bachmann LNER brake van (conversion to NER d V4) - Page 8.
Bachmann Thompson CK - Post 3.
Bachmann WD 2-8-0 (weathering) - Post 6.
Bachmann 31-860 LNER J39 (detailing) - Page 38.
Bachmann 32-275 LNER K3 - conversion to NE cab/flared top tender - Page 12.
Bachmann 33-181 Snowdrift Salt wagon - Page 11.
Bachmann 33-402 Lowfit (new chassis, detailing) - Page 6.
Bachmann 33-929 Bogie bolster (pipe load) - Page 27.

Bachmann 35-176 LNWR ROD 2-8-0 (as ROD 1740) - Page 52.

Bachmann 37-930B 3 plank open with container - Page 46.
Bachmann 37-961 BR Conflat with A type container - detailing - Page 7, 17.

Bachmann 38-077 BR (SR) ply sided van - page 49.
Bachmann 38-329 LNER steel open (detailing) - Page 6 and Page 45
Bachmann 38-575 LNER 10T fish van (repaint) - page 23.
Bachmann 38-600 BR grain hopper - page 27, (ex-38-604 Worthington) page 49.

Bachmann 38-700 BR Pipe wagon - page 45.
Bill Bedford GNR/LNER D 325 Milk Brake - Post 4.
Bill Bedford GER/LNER BG - post 9.
Bill Bedford GER/LNER CL - Page 2.

Bill Bedford GER/LNER D431 RTO - Page 66.
Bill Bedford BCK0014S LNER D37A BTK(5) (MJT components) - Page 30.
Bill Bedford BCK0105 LNER D7 CK - Page 30.
Bill Bedford BCK0106S LNER D8 CGK - Page 33.
Bill Bedford BCK0116S LNER D178 BTK(6) (MJT components)- Page 34.
Bill Bedford BCK0118S LNER D151 RTP (MJT components) - Page 30.
Bill Bedford BCK0139S LNER D5 SFO (MJT components) - Page 26.
Bill Bedford BCK0404 GNR/LNER D218CC CK/BTK twin - Page 30.
Bill Bedford BCK0429 GNR/LNER D303 XB - Page 21, Page 32.
Bill Bedford BCK0440 GNR/LNER D129 C - page 21.
Bill Bedford BCK0443 GNR/LNER D218BB BCK - Page 32.
Bill Bedford BWK1504 LNWR/LMS Glass wagon - Page 31.
Brassmasters R025 GCR/LNER D55 refrigerated van - Page 36.
Cambrian RCH 1923 Private Owner wagons - page 16.
Cambrian C8 LMS 16T mineral - page 37.
Cambrian C10 LNER 16T mineral - page 37.
Cambrian C31 A type container - Page 7.
Cambrian C36 1907 Gloucester 7 plank - page 15.
Cambrian C52 Hurst Nelson 5 plank open - page 12.
Cambrian C53 Wheeler Gregory 4 plank open - page 12.
Cambrian C58 LMS 5 plank open (wood u/f) - Page 47.

Cambrian C59 LMS 5 plank open (steel U/F) - page 48.
Cambrian C60 1 plank - page 12, page 48.
Cambrian C81 LNER 5 plank open - page 5.  With Parkside fitted underframe - page 49.
Cambrian C84 MR 10T van - page 2.
Cambrian C87 LMS fish van - page 7.

Cambrian C97 GWR steel open - page 48.
Cambrian C109 SECR/SR twin bolster - page 22.

Cambrian C115 LSWR D1410 van (as ordinary van) page 38.
Cambrian C115 LSWR D1410 van (as sold to and modified by Chipman company) - page 35.
Roger Chivers RC416 LNER BY van - Post 4.
Roger Chivers RC436 LMS 6 wheel fish van - Post 8.
Roger Chivers RC442 LNER Loco Coal wagon - Post 5.
Roger Chivers RC463 LMS Long Low - Post 21.
Roger Chivers RC464 LMS Twin Bolster - page 4.
Roger Chivers RC465 LMS Tube - post 11.
Roger Chivers NE/LNER bogie CCT - page 12.
Roger Chivers NE/LNER 4w CCT - Page 29.
Comet E29 LNER D 175 BCK - page 26.
Comet E32 LNER D 64 BT - page 36.
Comet W9 GWR D128 BCK - page 32.
Comet W44 GWR D152 BCK - page 32.
Comet W51 GWR E147 B set - page 38.
Connoisseur Models (?) - LNER Refrigerated Van (4mm) - Page 32.
Coopercraft B12 - page 7.
Coopercraft F3 (chassis test build) - page 15.
Coopercraft 7mm GWR open - page 7.
Coopercraft 1004 GWR 4 plank open - page 15.
Coopercraft 1005 GWR 5 plank open - page 15.
Crownline CK10 LNER Sentinel Shunter - Page 4.
D & S NER/LNER G2 van - page 16 and page 45.
D & S GNR/LNER 3 plank open - page 16.
D & S GNR/LNER 19' van - page 30 (several).
D & S GNR/LNER 19' insulated van - page 30.
D & S GNR/LNER clerestory fruit van - page 30.
D & S LNER Perishable van - page 30.
D & S GN Clerestory fish van - page 13.
D & S GC 10T fish van - page 30.
D & S DS 60 GC/LNER 10t open - page 29.
D & S DS 75 LDEC Horsebox - Post 3.
D & S DS 101 GE/LNER 10t ventilated van - page 10, page 49.
D & S DS 106 GE/LNER 10T brake van - page 17.

D & S DS 112 GER/LNER 5 plank open (steel UF) - page 45.
D & S DS 119 GER/LNER 50' CK - page 9.
D & S DS 121 GER/LNER 50' BTK - page 9.
D & S DS 127 GE Special Cattle Box - Post 3.
D & S DS 129 GE/LNER CCT - Post 12.
D & S DS GE/LNER D536 PBV - page 16.
D & S DS 131 GER/LNER Dia 30 Restaurant Car - Page 4.
D & S DS 170 NER/LNER D 67 Horsebox - page 30.
D & S DS 172 NER/LNER D 5 Clerestory BT(3) - Page 32.
D & S DS 173 NER/LNER D 18 Clerestory brake 3rd - page 5.
D & S DS 174 NER/LNER D 171 luggage van - page 10 and page 36.
D & S DS 177 NER/LNER horsebox - page 6.
D & S DS 178 NER/LNER V4 Brake van - page 13.
D & S DS 181 NER/LNER G6 Tranship Van - page 27.
D & S DS 182 NER/LNER G4 Road Van - page 27.
D & S DS 196 NER/LNER D111 T - page 21.
D & S DS 229 NER/LNER G7 Road Van - page 28.
D & S DS 230 NER/LNER Ballast brake - page 13.
D & S DS 231 NER/LNER Tool van - page 13.
D & S DS 232 NER/LNER Riding van - page 13.

D & S DS 254 GNR/LNER 10T open - page 45.
D & S DS 258 GNR/LNER 10T van - Post 7.

D & S DS 261 GNR/LNER Implement wagon - page 45.
D & S DS 265 GNR/LNER Horsebox - page 13.

D & S DS 268 GNR/LNER D364 CCT - Page 63.
D & S DS 271 GNR/LNER Colwick open - Post 7.
D & S DS 276 GNR/LNER d.296 45' Luggage Brake - Page 37.

D & S DS 289 GNR/LNER D360 CCT - Page 63.

D & S Ds 290 GNR/LNER 21' OCT - Page 63
D & S DS 304 LNER 32' passenger brake van - page 21.

D & S DS 305 LNER D86 General Van - - Page 45
D & S DS 306 LNER D87 milk van - page 21.
D & S DS 312 LNER D5 horsebox - page 10.
D & S DS 314 LNER D4 horsebox - page 10.
D & S DS 337 GNR/LNER 20T 6w Brake Van - page 33.

D & S DS 631 SECR Cattle wagon (patent brake) - Page 64.
D & S DS 802 Cowans-Sheldon 15T Crane - page 15.

D & S DS810 GNR/LNER D218HH Brake Composite Quad - page 50.
D & S GNR 8w 20T brake van - page 36.
D & S GNR/LNER D296 Howlden BG - page 37.
D & S GNR D245 T - page 39.
Dapol 16T D 108 mineral - page 6.
Dapol C38 Brake Van (conversion to LNER diagram) - page 5.
Dapol Stove R - page 27.
Dapol Beattie Well Tank (repaint to LSWR) - page 30.
DJH K5 NER/LNER B16/1 (refurbish) - page 20
DJH K6 NER/LNER C7 (rebuild) - page 30.
DJH K12 NER/LNER D20 (paint/line) - Post 3
DJH K73 GNR/LNER C1 Atlantic - page 24 and rebuild
Falcon Brass WK301 GCR/LNER 6 wheel 20T brake van - page 15, page 21.
Five79 RC 117 NER/LNER high roof CCT - page 9.
Five79 RC118 GC/LNER Fish Van - page 4.
Five79 RC121 NER/LNER Low Roof CCT - page 12.

David Geen E/002 NER/LNER plate wagon - page 45.
David Geen E/012 NER/LNER F2 Insulated van - Post 8, page 31 and page 45.
David Geen E/013 NER/LNER F4 Perishables van - page 31.

David Geen E/016 NER/LNER G2 van - page 45.
David Geen E/051 GCR/LNER 10T van - Post 7.
David Geen E/055 GCR/LNER 8T van - Post 7.
David Geen M/002 LYR/LMS D3 10T van - page 30.
David Geen M/006 LYR/LMS Cattle wagon - page 37.

David Geen M/013 LYR/LMS single bolster - page 45.

David Geen M/053 MR/LMS D607 Mineral wagon - page 45.

David Geen M/054 MR/LMS D339A twin bolster - Page 52.
David Geen M/080 MR/LMS D402 CCT - page 11.
David Geen LSWR vans (various) - page 9.
David Geen W/011 GWR dia H6 conflat - page 9.
Genesis WK16FF Palbrick - Post 3.
Genesis LNER 12T open - Page 2.
Alan Gibson J15 - Post 3

Alan Gibson Workshop GER/LNER F6 - page 45.
Graeme King GC/LNER 40T bogie loco coal wagon - page 20.

Graeme King LNER covered grain hopper - Page 62.
Gramodels 402 LSWR Lowmac - Page 12.
Gramodels 406 LSWR 1 plank open - Page 13.
David Gray GNR/LNER Articulated twin BT/T (built as triplet) - page 35.
Hornby GWR Milk Tank (conversion to LNER d 184) - Post 4.

Hornby R013/R728 van (as HBR/LNER vans) - Page 52.

Hornby R2549 LNER A1 Flying Fox (as 4470 Great Northern) - Page 52.
Hornby R2990 LNER B1 - detailing/converting/repainting - Page 12.

Hornby R3003 LNER/BR B17 Barnsley (as 61655 Middlesbrough) - page 48.
Hornby R3007 LNER/BR L1 - detailing - page 17.

Hornby R3318 LNER/BR B17 Gilwell Park (as 61602 Walsingham) - page 48.
Hornby R3381 LNER/BR J15 - repaint/weather - page 27.
Hornby R4531 LNER BG - repaint - page 21.
Hornby R6678A LMS Horsebox (repaint) - page 26, page 52.

Hornby R6834 LNER Toad E Brake van - Page 46.
Hornby Thomas Circus van (as NER/LNER F10 Refrigerated van) - page 37.

Isinglass Models Kit 212 GNR/LNER D274 BTL - Page 53.
Ian Kirk LNER/ECJS BG (cut and shut) - Post 3.
Ian Kirk conversion to ECJS clerestory TK - Page 19.
Ian Kirk LNER D9 52'6" CK (cut and shut) Post 2.
Ian Kirk LNER BT(3) - Page 19.
Ian Kirk LNER/ECJS Dia. 34 TK - Post 13.
Ian Kirk NBR/LNER 8T van - post 8.
Ian Kirk NBR/LNER boplate - post 8.
Ian Kirk 8826 LNER 52'6" TK post 2.
Ian Kirk 8829 LNER 52'6" BTK post 2.
Ian Kirk 8833 LNER 51' BG (refurbish/detail) - page 14.
Ian Kirk 8841 LNER 61'6" BTK(4) - page 27.
Ian Kirk 8842 LNER 61'6" BG (refurbish/detail) - page 19, 27.
Ian Kirk 8844 LNER 61'6" FK (refurbish/detail) - page 20.
Ian Kirk 8853 LNER 61'6" TTO - conversion to D27B RTO - page 14.
Ian Kirk 8855 LNER 61'6" BCK - page 26.
Ian Kirk LNER 61'6" BTK(5) - page 27.

Ian Kirk NER/LNER Boplate - Page 45.
Ian MacDonald BR 1/024 Palbrick B - page 44.

Ian MacDonald LNER D45 steel BG (test build) - page 48.

Jidenco CK620 GCR/LNER CK - post 13.

Jidenco WK219 LMS Prize Cattle van - page 37.

Jidenco WK301 GC/LNER 15T van - page 49.
Jidenco WK314 GNR/LNER 5T fish van - page 30.
Jidenco WK300 LNER Brake Van (Toad B ) - page 11.
Jidenco LMS/LNWR Chemical Pan Wagon - page 14.
K's GWR Grano Grain hopper - Page 4, page 16.

K's BR Palvan - page 45.

K's LMS Shock Open - page 45.
K's SECR 8T van - page 9.
K's NER/LNER J72 - Page 10.
K's GNR/LNER C1 Atlantic (refurbish) - page 23.
Kemilway GNR/LNER 61'6" BCK (3/3) - page 27.
Lima GWR Horsebox - page 4.
Lima LMS 42' GUV - repaint/detail - page 12.
Lima LNER brake van (detailing) - page 6.
Little Engines GE/LNER D16/3 - Post 4.

London Road Models GNR Ivatt horseshoe tender - page 49.

London Road Models LOCO81 GNR/LNER J6 -  Page 53.

London Road Models LOCO92 GNR/LNER J5 - Page 62.

MAJ L & Y 16' van - page 12.
MAJ L & Y 19' Van - Page 2.

MAJ 4/3 L&Y 5 plank open - Page 52.

Masterclass Models LNER D210 CL/BT(6) twin - Page 57.

McGowan Models GNR/LNER 10T brake van  - Page 66.
MJT LNER D57 T - page 14.
MJT LNER D10C RF - page 19.
MJT LNER D23 TK - page 30.
MJT LNER D27A RTO page 19.
MJT LNER D114 BTK(4) - page 30.
MJT LNER D175 BCK - page 26.
Model Wagon Company MR/LMS Long Low - Post 7.
Model Wagon Company NBR/LNER Incline brake van - Post 7.
Mousa Models BCK0025S LNER D244 CL - page 36.
Mousa Models BCK0300 GER/LNER Milk Van - page 13.
Mousa Models BRK0440 GNR/LNER D129 BC - page 35.
Mousa Models BRK0441 GNR/LNER D129 BT - page 35.

Mousa Models BRK0447 GNR/LNER D281 XBT - Page 52.

Mousa Models BRK0448 GNR/LNER D146 XCGL - Page 52.
Mousa Models BWK0403 GNR/LNER 5 plank mineral wagon - page 36.
Mousa Models BWK0404 GNR/LNER 7 plank mineral wagons - page 39.
Mousa Models BWK1304 LNWR/LMS D39 Glass wagon - page 31.
MSE LSWR/SR D 1502 cattle wagon - page 32.

NIU Models ACFI Heater/pump kit (fitted to A3 Shotover) - page 48.

NIU Models Gresham & Craven feed water heater (fitted to K3 227) - Page 61.

North Eastern Kits LNER J73 - page 7.
North Eastern Kits NER 4125 gallon tender - page 14, 26.
North Eastern Kits NER/LNER D 152 53'6" FK (prototype) - page 10.
North Eastern Kits NER/LNER D 156 53'6" TK (prototype) - page 10.
North Eastern Kits NER/LNER D189 SCV (prototype) - page 32
North Eastern Kits LNER D1 SCV (prototype) -page 32
Nu-Cast LNER F4 (refurbish) - page 14.

Nu-Cast NC108 GNR/LNER J6 (rebuild) - page 49.
Nu-Cast NC119 LNER Sentinel Railcar - Page 3.
Nu-Cast NC120 LNER Sentinel Shunter - Page 2.

Nu-Cast LNER Tube wagon - Page 45.

Oxford Rail OR76TK2002 Carless Petrol Tank - Page 63.
Oxford Rail OR76MW6001 LNER 6 plank open - page 38.

Oxford Rail OR76MW7013 PO mineral - Page 46.

Oxford Rail OR76MW7022 Rickett 12 ton mineral - Page 45, page 46.

Oxford rail OR76MW7027 Milner 12 ton mineral - Page 63.

Parkside Dundas LMS 3 plank open - post 8.
Parkside Dundas PA21 BD type container - page 7.

Parkside Dundas PC01 LNER Steel High - Page 45.

Parkside Dundas PC13 LNER Grain Van - conversion to GWR dia v29 - Post 7.
Parkside Dundas PC13 LNER Grain Van - conversion to LNER original design - Post 7 .
Parkside Dundas PC14 LNER Toad B Brake Van - page 11.

Parkside Dundas PC17 Trestle wagon - Page 46.
Parkside Dundas PC22 French mineral wagon - page 37, page 46.

Parkside Dundas PC24 LNER Quad bogie bolster (as NBR Hurst Nelson wagon) - page 48.

Parkside Dundas PC25 LNER 5 plank fitted open - page 15 and Page 45.

Parkside Dundas PC26 LNER Corrugated End van - Post 3, (as fish van} page 11.
Parkside Dundas PC27 slope sided mineral - page 37.
Parkside Dundas PC30 LNER long CCT - Post 3.

Parkside Dundas PC35 LNER Conflat S (replacement containers) - Page 49.
Parkside Dundas PC40 LMS D2026 CCT - Post 3.
Parkside Dundas PC44 GWR S8 Bloater fish vans - Page 7.
Parkside Dundas PC50 LNER Cattle Van (conversion to GNR) - Post 9 - see also Page 34.
Parkside Dundas PC50 LNER Cattle Van - page 34.

Parkside by Peco PC52 BR Conflat A (with PA16 chassis) - page 46.
Parkside Dundas PC56 LNER fish van - cut down to 10' WB version - page 7.
Parkside Dundas PC61 LNER 12T van - conversion to unfitted diagram - Post 8. With Cambrian underframe - Page 49.
Parkside Dundas PC64 GWR Beetle Prize Cattle Van - page 2.
Parkside Dundas PC69 RCH 7-plank (converted to bolster twin) - page 3.
Parkside Dundas PC79 GWR Horsebox (and alteration of same) - Page 10.

Parkside by Peco PC81 GWR open - page 48.
Parkside Dundas PC83 LNER dia. 5 horsebox - page 6.
Parkside Dundas PC87 LMS Cattle wagon - page 34.
Parkside Dundas PC89 LNER Toad E BV - page 36.
PDK PDK 49 LNER J19/2 - page 13.

Perseverance GCR/LNER 50' clerestory luggage brake - Page 45
Peter K ECJS Luggage Composite - Post 13.

Peter K GNSR/LNER 6 wheel horsebox - Page 61.
Ratio 563 GWR Iron Mink - conversion to GNR/LNER Gunpowder van - page 12.
Ratio 594 SR Ferry Van - post 10, page 4..
Ratio GWR Macaw - Page 43.
Ratio 5061 GWR Open C - page 16 and Page 45
Ratio LNWR 2 plank opens (ex-PWay set) - page 16.
Ratio 5066 GWR Mogo - Page 4.
RDEB GNRD096 GNR/LNER D 96 BFK - page 22.
RDEB GNQD GNR/LNER Quintuple dining set - page 22.

RDEB LNED146 LNER D146 BTK(3) - page 67.
Red Panda BR Lowfit - Page 4.
Scratchbuilt Ramsey East Goods Shed - Post 5.
Scratchbuilt LSWR 6 wheel brake van (refurbish) - page 30.
Scratchbuilt (Resin Cast) Belgian Hfs Ferry Vans - page 2.
Scratchbuilt FS (Italian) Hgv Insulated ferry vans - post 10.
Scratchbuilt DRB/DB Saarbrucken Ferry vans - post 11.
Scratchbuilt DRB/DB Trier Rungenwagens - page 9.
Scratchbuilt ROD 20T Ferry van - post 12.
Scratchbuilt N8 0-6-2 Tank - page 3.
Scratchbuilt SNCF Ferry Vans - page 5.
Scratchbuilt LNER Toad E brake van - page 7.
Scratchbullt LNER Conflat V - page 7.
Scratchbuilt LNER D15 Insulated Container - page 26.
Scratchbuilt LNER D60 conflat for above - page 26.
Scratchbuilt GNR 19' vans - page 10.
Scratchbuilt LMS D1986 1 plank open - page 16.
Scratchbuilt GNR/LNER D84 FL - page 38.
Scratchbuilt GNR/LNER D155 C - page 38.

Scratchbuilt (from silhouette cutter parts) GNR D358 CCT - Page 63.
Slaters 4024 MR 10T van - post 8.
Slaters 4030 MR 8T van (asymmetrical) - post 8.
Slaters 4031 MR Cattle Van - post 12.
Slaters 4043 NE Brake Van - Post 6.
Slaters 4060 RCH 7 plank fixed ends (as ferry wagon) - post 12.
South Eastern Finecast FW004 Gas Tank wagon - page 17.
Stelfox GER/LNER 7 plank open - post 8.
Triang Thompson TK, BTK - Post 2.
Mike Trice D303 GNR/LNER BG - page 39.

UNIT Models LMS containers (on wagons) - Page 61
Worsley Works GER/LNER 50' TK, BTK - Post 5.
Worsley Works GER/LNER 50' CK - Post 7
Worsley Works GWR D157 BC - page 35.
WSM GNR/LNER C1 Atlantic (refurbish) - page 23.



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Comment posted by craigwelsh on Fri May 18, 2007 10:42 pm










jwealleans wrote:

Can i ask what the maroon paint is?

Err... it isn't! It's actually Railmatch Crimson. It's on a base of Railmatch Maroon (because I picked the wrong can up) but there are two coats of Railmatch Crimson on top. I can't tell now if it's the photo or it is a bit darker than the others I've painted but if it is so much the better for a bit of variety.


For LMS and BR Maroon vehicles I have in the past used the Precision LMS Maroon (brush paint) which seems a bit on the purple side to me.


Erm, oops! It does look good though and maybe if sprayed over a dark colour could make a good match for the Bachmann colour. I don't mind minimal differences in shades but my current paint job is totally different icon_sad.gif. Precision dull BR maroon is also very purple and looks horrible sprayed over white. Think I need to look for this car paint..


My parcels stock will get a lot of weathering over the top though eventually but some will have the original colour showing through.










Captain Kernow wrote:

jwealleans wrote:

Next time I'm in Halfords I'm going to try to find a can of British Leyland Damask Red which is apparently quite a good match as well.

One thing I've wondered when in Halfords picking up aerosol primer, is whether the car colours that are a close match to railway colours won't come out too glossy for our smaller scale models? icon_question.gif


Someone on here showed a few models sprayed in gloss/satin black and oversprayed with matt varnish and this took the sheen off nicely.



??? posted on Sat May 19, 2007 6:33 am


I'd have said much the same - satin/matt varnish tones it down remarkably. It's like when you put gloss varnish on a model and think you've overdone it, then when you apply the satin over the transfers all the detail reappears.



??? posted on Tue May 22, 2007 3:23 pm


Put primer on these last night and I'm pleasantly surprised at how well the joins are hidden. Top and bottom are the two I've butchered, middle is an untouched full Third.




I've removed the moulded door handles and made holes for the grab handles. I did start carving off the door vents as well but the plastic they've used on these is harder than some other Kirk sides I've used in the past and I've given it up as a bad job. The moulding is very crisp on these so it may not be too much of a loss.


Comment posted by mozzer models on Tue May 22, 2007 3:36 pm


looking good


have a look on my bench later as there will be a Y5 icon_lol.gif



??? posted on Thu May 31, 2007 5:43 pm


Some progress while the rain in France has fallen mainly on ... us.


It's been a few years since I put a Kirk kit together and some of the wrinkles had escaped me. The new ends I ordered were a little shorter than the sides so there was (and is) a bit of fettling to do. I've also come without the microstrip for the beading where I've cut in the middle of a panel so that will have to wait until we get home.


This is the full rake (Coopercraft didn't send the sides for the full brake before we left) perched perilously on the woodpile:




These are the two Dia. 9 composites. The pale yellow (it is yellow, honest) is an acrylic primer from a motor shop over here: I may try that as the basis for a teak finish on a future build.





Comment posted by Jules on Thu May 31, 2007 6:52 pm


Looking good! I admire you doing five at a time - one at a time was enough to make me curse like a person who curses a lot!



??? posted on Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:56 pm


Well, what with the rain and the flu and the kids I got bu**er all done on holiday: best laid plans and all that. There has been some sporadic progress since, however, leading us to the present state of play.


I've made up all the bogies (I use ABS ones as they're satisfyingly heavy, easy to make run freely and you can't see if they're out of square when they're underneath. The paxolin floors are good and solid, but now that the price of brass has gone through the roof I expect it'll be plastikard for the next ones I build. I've run out of channel and so these are awaiting solebars and attachment of body to floor.




The two brakes are moving on; I used a trip to Wales this week to make up the interiors from 20 thou plastikard and Coopercraft seating. The one on the left looks as if I cut it out on a moving train - it isn't really that bad. Note the packing on the left one - I made it according to the diagram, then had to adapt it to the slightly compromised measurements of the actual coach.




I did spend a large part of last Sunday making progress with the Wickham after weeks of inactivity. I see Charlie Petty's now doing one - well, mine's got an interior. It remains to be seen whether the idea of pushing it with a Gandy Dancer will work well enough to get it over baseboard joints....





??? posted on Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:49 pm


The heavy rain is having one positive effect - I'm getting a bit more modelling done. I've done a bit on all of the coaches today but concentrated on the D42 brake which was the furthest advanced (probably due to having the lowest scratchbuilt content). It has been pulled out of a full kit while all the others are just ends, sides and roof.


Fitting buffers has made the whole rake look a great deal more advanced:




while this one has had the underframe fittings added and only needs jumpers, steps and other details before it's ready for the paint shop. Then we're waiting for SWMBO to paint the Preiser figues which came on Saturday morning and she's all done. The ride height needs looking at as well - it looks as if someone's dropped half a dozen paving slabs into the boot at the moment.




Comment posted by Jules on Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:15 pm


Looking good. Next time I make another one of these, I think I'll try the ABS bogies



??? posted on Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:48 pm


This week I have mostly been finishing interiors.




Some progress on the rest of the coaches - more pics when there's some paint on.


SWMBO also now has 100+ Preiser people to paint before we can seal these up.



??? posted on Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:39 pm


Suddenly it really feels like these have made progress. I've ground to a halt on the bodies until Mr. Cleal delivers more materials for steps, jumpers, etc, so I decided to make the roofs fit. They were all awful - around 2mm over length even on those coaches where I hadn't butchered the sides. So they were all chopped in half and reglued, matching each one to a specific coach so as to avoid tears when they finally have to be made to fit.


Suddenly they look like coaches and the whole thing feels like it's taken a huge leap forward.






The assortment of primers is an attempt to vary the shade of the final finish as both carmine and cream are fairly transparent colours.


Comment posted by iL Dottore on Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:23 pm


jwealleans wrote:

This week I have mostly been finishing interiors.


Oh I DO like those icon_biggrin.gif


Any chance of a blow-by-blow description of how you did `em?



??? posted on Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:07 pm


Not really rocket science - in fact it's all plastikard. I cut a 40 thou 'floor' to fit the coach - fairly snugly as you don't want it rattling about when it's all sealed up. There are screw heads sticking up through the floors of the coaches and the holes to accommodate these help hold the floor in place.


I then put the floor in the coach and mark the divisions between each compartment so they match the sides. That is quite important - I did the first one while travelling and worked from the diagram, only to find the side wasn't quite accurate and I had to move the partitions.


The compartment side I had to experiment with to find the most rigid thickness which was still easy to cut: I ended up with 15 thou as the best compromise. It has flexed a little after being stuck in place but that won't be visible once they're in the completed vehicle. I did use a Kirk one for proportions of window to panelling - from memory it's 23 mm high, so 10 mm panel, 10 mm window and 3 mm above. I had to work out rough proportions for the windows and vertical bars for each compartment as well; I ended up leaving 2mm between windows, which made the central (door) one just a little larger, which seemed to work. In a third class compartment (6'2" or 25mm) you get 2mm, a 5 mm window, 2mm, a 7mm window, 2mm, another 5mm window and a final 2mm. Measure in from the sides and you end up with an even distribution of apertures even if your overall measurement is slightly out.


Rule all that onto the plastikard and cut it out. Slowly and patiently. I could only do one a night with plenty of breaks and a new knife blade. I take my hat off to David Jenkinson and those panelled coaches he used to produce.


Once you've got your corridor piece, cut out the compartment partitions. The corridor is 2' wide (8mm) so you can work out width using that and the height is the same as what you've already cut.


Stick together against a piece of wood to keep it square and allow to dry. The (inaccurate) toilet partitions are marked out using the interior in the coach and measuring a straight line between the corner of the last compartment and the far side of the corridor connection.


The seats and arms are Coopercraft's own. Arms in first class only, obviously. I've forgotten the shelf in one of the coupe compartments.


The colours are as per Michael Harris. The LNER mainly used different shades and finishes of wood, so I've used Humbrol 62 for the sides, 186 for the floor and 133 in first class where the finish was apparently darker. The seats ('fawn rep' in Harris) are Humbrol 93 and the first class ones 77 (? - I think). The first class will have antimacassars and I'll use Tiny Signs pictures as well.


Leave to dry and instruct wife to begin painting passengers.


Et voila!



??? posted on Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:05 am


About time I posted an update. I struggled with masking the sides to spray the red (cheers to Brian - Mozzer- for the tip about euro tape) but we're about there now. Once the next Mainly Trains parcel arrives I'll have enough lining for all of them as well.


I've been adding in other details on the interiors, painting a lot of little people and getting the shells looking something like. Last night I decided to move one of them forward just so I felt I was getting somewhere.


This, then is one of the brake thirds with lining added, off-black paint applied and the roof posed in place.




Here is a closer view of the end showing the added jumpers, toilet fillers and an attempt alarm gear. It would be really nice if someone did a set of parts for the alarm gear as I don't feel I've got terribly close (but at least it's represented).




Comment posted by mozzer models on Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:39 am


that looks very nice i am glad the tip worked for you



??? posted on Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:53 pm


While I've been short of 'E's I've been getting the interiors ready to go and using those invaluable Preiser seated figures which Mrs W has been sporadically painting.


Pictures by Tiny Signs, mirrors from cooking foil stuck to A4 paper. Mirrors should be oval - does anyone know where you can get an oval hole punch? The window transfers are HMRS although I'm waiting for some from John Peck (can we still talk about him?) to try.






We seem to have a group of synchronised arm folders in this coach...


Comment posted by number6 on Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:16 pm


Splendid! Nice muted 50s colouring there.

Hope that lav is locked out of use icon_eek.gif


I'm quite taken with these coaches. I had my fill of coaches last year [too many compartment door handles to form] but now I'm itching to get back to another batch. There is so much work in them but these are going to be a treat.






??? posted on Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:41 am


Now the sun's threatening to come out here's the first one of this batch all but complete. Brake 3rd to Dia. 146 - still needs just the corridor connectors adding, the ducket glazing and weathering once the paint's properly cured (and I've completed the other 4).








Incidentally, number6, I forgot to say how pleased I was to see someone notice the muted colours on the passengers - we did actually think about that and do it deliberately so your comment was quite gratifying.


Completely invisible inside the finished coach, of course, but I get that warm glow...



??? posted on Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:14 am


The end is finally in sight for the Gresleys - they can now cure for a couple of weeks before weathering, corridor connectors and final troubleshooting. I had some running problems with them on the club layout (chosen because the track is like a rough sea) but we are gradually working through these.


This is the completed 4 set which was the original project:




From front to rear:


Brake 3rd to D41




.. and one of those cruel closeups which shows how hard it is to mask that beading successfully. It does show what a difference the MJT grab and T handles make to these coaches - well worth the effort.




CK to D9 - one of the 'cut and shut' jobs in the rake:




TK to D141 - this is as near the straight Kirk kit as I get:




BTK to D146:




.. and this is the only difference, the ducket. Again those lovely MJT handles make all the difference and save a very fiddly soldering job.




This is the odd man out - I did two of the Composites in case I screwed one up but they both came out quite well. The intention is to weather this one more heavily and add it as a strengthener, or use it in a separate rake.




The interior is visible but you have to get pretty close to see it. You can also see where I made the holes for the commode handles in the wrong place. The window signs are John Peck's.




For my next project - all the reading I've been doing around these has put me in a carriage frame of mind. There should be a full brake to go with these but Coopercraft haven't had any sides since May, so while I'm waiting I wondered about a quick project which might be done on the cheap...


Does anyone remember these?




I bet there are hundreds lying unwanted on swapmeet tables and available for pennies. This has been in the parental attic since the mid 70s.


Comparing this (D329 TK if you want to be technical) to the Isinglass drawing showed it to be about 4 mm over long but apart from that a pretty good match. Hornby have obviously used a standard end and underframe at the time and they've stretched the side to fit, so there's no single section you can remove to shorten it. That said everything is in the right place relatively and the overall length is actually spot on - the ends they've used haven't got the steep angles of the Thompson original.


Anyway, as long as you don't put them next to the new Bachmann ones I don't think it will show.


This is what I had left when I had stripped it down and thrown away what was useless:




I've filed all the detail off the ends and drilled the sides for more of those MJT handles. The buffers will have to go. The roof has also been filed flat.


This is what I then added in:




Floor from 40 thou plastikard, interior a mix of 30 and 15 thou as described earlier in the thread and solebars from 1/8" Evergreen channel. The bogies are what was left from the Kirk kits I butchered for the Gresleys and the wheels were donated by a club colleague.


This is the interior so far - these coaches had vestibules one third and two thirds of the way along their length, so the compartments were in little clumps. Notice also that the solebar is stuck to the side of the floor rather than the bottom. The sides have a lip underneath them (they slotted into the old underframe) so they do sit 'on' the floor rather than sliding down over it as the Gresleys do. The solebar has to meet the bottom of the Hornby side, so you have to arrange it like this.




Your thoughts/comments appreciated.


Comment posted by mozzer models on Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:33 pm


Very Nice there mate the blood & custard look superb

& i will be following the Thompson as i have been looking at the 10 i have from when i was a kid


will you be painting the thompson Blood & custard as well it will be a lot eazer to mask up & will you be flush glazing it:lol:



??? posted on Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:12 pm











will you be flush glazing it

The man from SEF, he say yes....


.. and yes they (there are two) will be blood & custard.


Comment posted by Jules on Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:40 pm


Those look great - I might have to have another go at some of those myself.



??? posted on Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:50 pm


Well, this is certainly a quicker project than the Gresleys up to now and as Brian pointed out the sides are a damn sight easier to mask.


Here, after Sunday evening's efforts, is progress to date:


Sides painted and now awaiting lining; roof detailed and primed and now to fill and smooth; ends detailed and repaired where one corner broke off in sympathy with the old buffer it was glued to.




Interior built and painted; just awaits fitting of seats (drying), details and the odd passenger. There seems to be very little information about moquette colour for the seats in these vehicles (it's a conversation we've had on here before) so based on the LNER CA website these seats will be red with black patterning which was certainly a BR period scheme. I've also left the 'grainy' effect on the interior deliberately in case the larger windows on this coach make it more visible than on the Gresleys.





??? posted on Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:47 pm


This appalling 'summer' we're allegedly having prevented outside pictures so we're stuck with what I can shoot in the workshop.


The sides are now lined, numbered, varnished and ready for the flush glazing. Trial fitting shows it to be very flush indeed (in fact a s*d to get in) so this will be undertaken when I'm firmly in the mood. These have to be numbered as the 1947/48 builds as they went over to rounded corners in 1949.




The interior has had the seats and glazing fitted. Sign of the changing times - in a 7 compartment coach, only one is non-smoking.




Most of the evening was spent on the underframe - I need the body assembled in order to set the ride height, but the central gubbins was able to be assembled. Trusses from the Kirk kits butchered earlier, with cross bracing added; the rest Comet and MJT.




Comment posted by mozzer models on Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:11 pm


Looking Good


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??? posted on Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:51 pm


I've been fitting this in in short breaks between paid work and building a new patio, so there haven't been any updates for a while. Anyhow, we're all but finished and here she is.




Not too shabby though I say so myself. When I do the next one I will make the internal windows lower: because the interior sits on the moulded ledge inside the body it is a bit higher than it ought to be. It makes the passengers more conspicuous. The Ford Sahara Beige is also a bit darker than the Railmatch cream used on the toilet vents; I must get a touch-up pot from Halfords.


Comment posted by 31A on Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:48 pm


OMG Triang Thompsons - there's a blast from the past! icon_eek.gif First LNER coaches I had, about "harrumph" years ago icon_redface.gif Scrub up pretty well after a bit of TLC though don't they - you've done a very nice job there. The modular construction must make it a lot easier.



??? posted on Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:13 pm


Back again after what feels like a very lengthy absence, but not entirely idle: prompted by today's discussion of horseboxes, this is what is rattling around the workbench at the moment. It's a Great Eastern Special Cattle Box, D & S in origin, which I picked up as one of a pair for about 3 quid at a show. It had been partly soldered then completed by a small child using Araldite and a trowel. What a mess. It had then been painted light blue.


Stripped down, reassembled and primered it looked good. The teak paint has given a teak effect which looks a bit bizarre but will darken down after a couple more coats.




The original builder put the ends on the wrong way round but I wasn't going that far back to basics.




I also have an LDEC horsebox bought at the same time and from the same builder, but I need the instructions to put that back together. Thanks to the kind offices of SimonF you may be able to admire that in the near future.


Also in progress, a Gresley BG to D 207. This was a conversion from redundant ECJS stock shortly before the war and is a simple cut and shut from the 61'6 sides down to 56'. The rest is assembled from plastikard and Comet underframe components with Coopercraft Fox bogies.






The variegated shade of brown is deliberate as this one will end up a shabby post-war specimen with BR lettering.


Finally I have been increasing the Thompson rake: this was a body and Bachmann bogies from Hattons for which I've built up floor and chassis tonight.




I don't know if it's me but it looks top heavy compared to the Triang one: against the Isinglass drawing the sides appear slightly deep and the roof is a shallower curve than the Triang, so the whole body shell is higher. It's not so pronounced as to make them look ridiculous but it is there. Anyone else any thoughts on their dimensional accuracy? I don't recall what was said about them when they were released.



??? posted on Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:51 pm


The Hull show is coming up at the start of November, as I expect we will all be reminded. Thurston will be there and so the stock boxes were brought down from the wardrobe this morning, the dust blown off and the brains racked to recall what was wrong with it all after Kendal, way back in March?


This chap was derailing all too frequently:




I've had it along to Ormesby in the intervening months and we decided it was too rigid. For once I'd got the Parkside solebars and axles spot on, free running with precisely zero slop - and it fell off the track. Compensation was therefore the order of the day.


I didn't want to disturb the rest of the model much (hah! So much for that, as you'll see) so this was the proposed solution:




MJT wagon compensation unit. They're rather neat little things designed to go on RTR wagons but useful in all kinds of applications. File the pinpoints off the axle, flatten the floor, away you go. Fine, except that the unit is designed for 12mm wheels and these are 14mm. Suddenly it's sitting up and begging at one end. So I start thinning the floor and realise that I'll have to thin it by precisely its thickness. Great.


Nothing for it - roof off, hole in floor, plastic section fitted inside, bob's your uncle. Now all I have to do is repair the hole I made in the roof and repair the paintwork. I expect it will all be worth it.




At least the Thompson Compo is coming along - roof details done and interior started - and this is looking much better after another coat of brown teak paint





??? posted on Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:34 pm


My first task this evening is to point out that there is more than one workbench in the West End household and mine is by far the less important of the two. Mrs. W's contribution to the weekend festivities as No. 2 son turned 4:






Very nice it was too - I finished it off this morning.


On the less appetising side of things we've been stopped by Mainly Trains taking their holidays and the need to test things for Hull show. The LMS van which I compensated above was a great success and I intend to produce a couple more in the same vein before November.


After a delivery from MT today, this has now received underframe details:




Catastrophe struck when this loco, back with me for weathering, fell off the bench. I think I got away with it - apart from the destruction of the coal rails and a bent funnel, there didn't seem to be too much damage. Coal rails here rebuilt with plastic strip. Once painted and weathered, from four feet (our models at Ormesby run behind perspex screens) it shouldn't be visible.




A reminder to all of us to be careful where we stand things.


Finally, a thank you to SimonF who provided me with a set of instructions for the LDEC horsebox I stripped down and then couldn't work out how to reassemble. I sat down tonight to try to make a bit of sense of it... There are a lot of parts missing. The shell is at least square and intact:




I decided to have a crack at the underframe first as this is more of a challenge. I'd already had to fit MJT W-irons as the D & S ones had been so badly butchered when fitted that they just fell apart. Now I searched in vain for brake shoes. Luckily I remembered these very handy Mainly Trains etches:




I think Ian Rice is to be thanked for them. A bit of bodging later and we managed this:




Tight clearances as these are intended for 12mm wheels, but it fits, the wheels go round and it looks OK. Who'll ever know?


Comment posted by SimonF on Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:16 pm


Glad to be of assistance, sadly it may be a while before my horsebox sees the light of day icon_redface.gif


hmmm the birthday cake is giving me the munchies! icon_razz.gif



??? posted on Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:55 am


Not really a progress report but a result of the current thread on digital photography. I've been experimenting with camera settings (well, finding out that it had them, in fact) and was rather pleased with this:




Now I've got it this far, can anyone suggest a source of suitable buffers?



??? posted on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:32 pm


Bit of a diversion from the workbench this weekend. I've seen some threads here and on other forums about boxes and storage, which prompted me to action. Like many people I tend to wrap stock in bubblewrap and throw it into whatever empty box is handy. My stock boxes are those foldup plastic crates and I had two. One for locos neatly boxed and the other full of this kind of mess. In addition I've built 10 new items of bogie stock since the last show and this has to be accommodated as well.




I've had the idea in my head for a while and so I set to in the extra hour on Sunday morning and produced these:




The stripwood cost me a grand total of £2.50 from the local builder's merchant. The hardboard came from some doors which had had the Barry Bucknell treatment and we've recently restored. The most expensive part was the small beading to make them interlock which was ???’???‚¬????????‚??2.50 a length from the local DIY shed.


Suddenly it all looks a great deal neater.




You can configure them to suit your stock:






And it's goodbye to bubblewrap and shoebox misery with this handy stack for under a tenner!




(Note also the space in the parcels stock box for future Pigeon Van builds - are you watching, Roger Chivers?)



??? posted on Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:03 am


The last weekend before Hull show and the usual panic to get all those little projects finished or at least in a state to show. Firstly my grateful thanks to whoever posted a link on here to a document on making your own corridor connectors. I had bought some off Ebay and was quite happy with them, but when I went back for some more the seller had vanished. This document came up trumps and I was able to produce all I wanted in a two hour session last night. They look good enough, especially when the 4 foot rule is applied.




I have two more Thompsons, one Triang, one Bachmann, to complete to give a plausible set. This is the Bachmann composite illustrated back up the thread. It just needs the corridor handrail and weathering.




It will run with the all third I did some time ago and a (still unfinished) brake 3rd. There are two more in the pipeline.




This converted ECJS BG just needs some more weathering.




One of the problems of using the Bill Bedford couplings is the need for converter vehicles. I had hoped to use the Roger Chivers Pigeon Vans, but they won't be here in time so I knocked up this Parkside LNER van. Because it will run at the head of a rake of (potentially heavy) coaches, I've compensated it with an MJT unit and put more weight in than I would usually. It will be only lightly weathered.




I bought this at the Hull show last year so it seemed appropriate to try to complete it for this one. It won't have a load (I do have a day job!) and will be left all but pristine as a brand new wagon. Just don't ask what it's doing in a stopping freight.




It's the first time I've used John Isherwood's transfers and I was impressed.


These won't be making it - the LDEC because it didn't survive into the 1950s and the GE SCV because I haven't got the transfers made up yet. Perhaps by Harrogate.




Looking forward to seeing plenty of familiar names and putting faces to them next weekend.


Comment posted by MartinWales on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:10 pm


Just drooling over that Palbrick!! icon_razz.gificon_smile.gif



??? posted on Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:24 am


You can dribble in person this weekend - just do it behind the barriers!



??? posted on Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:43 pm


Starter for 10. What is wrong with these wagons? Please remember that it is about 2 years since I built them; they were painted and weathered by me; they have been to a show and run for a whole weekend under the critical gaze of club colleagues, other exhibitors and a fair number of the Great Unwashed. They have stood on the shelf above my workbench since March and I have taken them along to the Ormesby club on more than one occasion. Yet I had never noticed until last night.




In a word - brakes. I haven't put the brake levers on. I have no idea how I could not have noticed that. Anyway, back to the very handy Ian Rice/Mainly Trains etch and we're all levered up and ready to go. With a bit of weathering.




How embarrassing would THAT have been in front of Ian et al.?


Comment posted by mozzer models on Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:32 pm


we have all done that at some time thats is left of bits till someone points it out icon_lol.gif



??? posted on Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:57 pm


Back to reality, back to the workbench.... before we start administering the elixir of life to the casualties from Hull, a few items from a proper railway...


This Parkside CCT was one of the first kits I built when I came back into modelling 7 or 8 years ago. I have a reason for returning to it now.... It's the same kit as Tim (Captain Kernow) is working on. Here it has been stripped of paint (Modelstrip - wonderful stuff), the roof fortuitously fell off and the glazing has been chopped out. I've also pared away the moulded handrails and drilled out for the wire replacements. Steps and brake gear had long since departed - if I ever bothered with them in the first place. I've also braced the sides, although this model doesn't seem as prone to bowing in as some of their shorter kits.




This is almost finished - final touches and fire irons to go on and then it'll be into the box until Ormesby Hall reopens in mid-March. Once done, I'll try to get a photo outside if weather permits.




And at the end of a night of carving and bending, here's what we have to look forward to tomorrow:




Comment posted by rob2 on Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:34 pm


Glad you had a good time at Hull Jon,I'm more than a little bit envious !there was a show here in Cork over the weekend,a good sign at least and I got to meet Tim Cramer,brillant scratchbuilder of Irish prototypes in 7mm.I'm half tempted to do a small exhibition layout after that but the circuit here is tiny and I have just got into my stride with the loft.All the same,a local show is worth supporting ,its got to start somewhere......hmm.

Lots of great stuff here,I was particularly impressed by the way the weathering turned out on the D20-superb job.And I looked at the wagons for ages and would still be looking without spotting the brake gear icon_redface.gif

Mrs B is most impressed by Mrs W's scratchbuilt Thomas!Perhaps something similar for our little lady next year!




Comment posted by Captain Kernow on Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:44 am














jwealleans wrote:

It's the same kit as Tim (Captain Kernow) is working on.


Steps and brake gear had long since departed - if I ever bothered with them in the first place. I've also braced the sides, although this model doesn't seem as prone to bowing in as some of their shorter kits.

I can't see your photos when I log on on my work computer, Jonathan, but I'll have a look at home later, hopefully. I am in the process of putting brass steps on my LNER CCT and I'll describe how I've done it, when I get a bit of time! It's been quite tricky, but I think it's gone fairly well so far..... icon_smile.gif



??? posted on Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:53 am















I can't see your photos when I log on on my work computer, Jonathan, but I'll have a look at home later

I hope you like the colour scheme I've chosen....


Mrs W's scratchbuilt Thomas

Morrisons' Madeleine as a base, I believe - cuts well without the need for a craft knife and takes all kinds of finishes. I've no idea whether she used enamels or acrylics on the marzipan, though. It certainly came off on the children.



??? posted on Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:25 pm


Brace of new motors from MT today, so I've been revitalising some of the old favourites who got just that bit too tired over the weekend. I did get some time to spend on this, which has now had the sides painted and also had the roof detailed. Note the (authentic and prototypical) two diameters on the circular roof plates - I trust the Captain has not gone the 'skinny' route icon_wink.gif




Comment posted by Captain Kernow on Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:09 pm


jwealleans wrote:

Brace of new motors from MT today, so I've been revitalising some of the old favourites who got just that bit too tired over the weekend. I did get some time to spend on this, which has now had the sides painted and also had the roof detailed. Note the (authentic and prototypical) two diameters on the circular roof plates - I trust the Captain has not gone the 'skinny' route icon_wink.gif

Ain't done mine yet... icon_wink.gif but I have posted some photos of the brass replacement steps on my workbench thread...


Yours is looking very nice, Jonathan - brown livery I presume?


(Mine will be maroon, btw, and probably quite dirty!)... icon_wink.gif



??? posted on Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:10 am


Just a quick update this morning: I had these transfers made up by John Peck, formerly of this parish. I'm very pleased with them and will be having some more. If anyone else is interested see my post in 'Classifieds'(here): if we order enough collectively we can have them at half price, ???’???‚¬????????‚??2.50 instead of ???’???‚¬????????‚??5 per set.






Your choice of running number and tare weight. PM me if interested.


Comment posted by Turkey on Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:06 am















rob2 wrote:

there was a show here in Cork over the weekend,

icon_sad.gif Ah well I would not have got the time to drive down anyway.......


jwealleans, I am very impressed with your rolling stock, even the boxes you put them in.



??? posted on Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:50 am


Thank you for your kind words, Michael. Hopefully I can complete this over the weekend and go back to the interminable line of Thompsons I seem to be cranking out.



??? posted on Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:58 pm


A bit of going back over old ground this weekend. The J15 - my very favourite loco - would barely pull itself round the layout at Hull and so was helped back to its box. A new Mashima and a few extra pickups and we're as good as new again.




The chassis was a sod to build and I've had 5 years out of it so I really can't complain. Like everything, the more practice you get the better you do it. If anyone ever revives Alan Gibson's kit range I'd like another crack at one, though I have a NuCast version which Colin sold me in the cupboard if the fancy should take me.


I've also started the brake gear on the LLCK. I've remove the Parkside plastic v hangers and levers and replaced them with brass. The vulnerable lower steps are also brass, but the upper ones are just Evergreen 2mm strip mek-ed to the solebars.




I've been watching with interest the debate on CK's thread about the direction of the pull rods - you think you've got it clear in your mind and then someone says something and you doubt yourself again. I'll let him do his first. Mine is being hacked from the remains of the Mainly Trains wagon etch - I don't believe any of them have been used on the vehicles they were intended for, but they're highly useful nonetheless.


Comment posted by Ddolfelin on Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:40 am


A word of thanks for your thread - ever inspiring but not many posts of appreciation!


Comment posted by Captain Kernow on Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:33 pm















jwealleans wrote:



I've been watching with interest the debate on CK's thread about the direction of the pull rods - you think you've got it clear in your mind and then someone says something and you doubt yourself again. I'll let him do his first. Mine is being hacked from the remains of the Mainly Trains wagon etch - I don't believe any of them have been used on the vehicles they were intended for, but they're highly useful nonetheless.

Jonathan, I did get something wrong on my CCT chassis, but not what I initially thought everyone was going on about! I'll post something as soon as I can work out how to convert a Powerpoint photo back to a J-Peg...


With your CCT roof, btw, I notice 2 lines of vents - is that right - I didn't realise, thought it was a single line down the middle?... icon_confused.gificon_confused.gif


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??? posted on Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:47 pm


Cheers, Dd - I know people are reading, but it's nice to know they're getting something out of it.


Tim - it's not clear from the photos but there are two lines of vents. You should find witness marks on the underside of the roof to indicate the position.




I did my brake gear shortly after you were doing yours. I always find the best way is to start from the brake lever on the cross shaft, work out how that must apply the brakes, then go from there. I've done this one in a different order to my usual method and now see that I've got the cross link on the far side the wrong way round. Well, sod it. It's behind the step and it'll be painted black anyway.



??? posted on Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:44 pm


Is it really over a fortnight since I posted? Well, work has picked up all of a sudden. I haven't been completely inactive, but a lot of WB time has been on more Thompsons, which I'm sure you're all as fed up with as I am. These are for a club colleague so I'll put them up when complete.


This is finished - just as I see the Captain has almost done his. I'm pleased with it, especially those transfers. I can highly recommend John Peck's custom service.




Here's one especially for Tim, showing the roof, vents and those lids.




Also on the bench but bedecked with elastic bands at the moment are the LDEC horsebox and GE SCV, both also benefiting from John Peck's fine work. I'll put those up when the roofs are painted.



??? posted on Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:15 pm


As promised, horseboxes. Having spent a while following Captain K and his LLCK, I now find myself following Brian. This LDEC horsebox comes to you courtesy of SimonF who supplied a new set of instructions.




The fine transfers are a John Peck 'special'. As are those on the SCV, which he managed to fit into a minute area:




I see the roof has broken free and will have to be resecured.


Finally, just to show I am keeping up with the Mosbys, this was waiting when I came home from a trip away this afternoon:




Looks very good and in a bit of a departure for plastic kits, the ends are the same shape and size as the roof. No reflection on Roger C's fine patternmaking but it has had the door handles and grab rails shaved off for wire replacement. It will also be compensated so I don't expect to turn it around as quickly as Brian managed. I have two on the bench and they already have the air of being a pleasure to build. Watch this space, as they say...


Comment posted by mozzer models on Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:05 pm


Looking good

i am a bit in front of you i have got this far





??? posted on Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:11 am


On My Workbench Today... or rather, off it: this is what's been keeping me from my Roger Chivers Pi... er... D120 BY.


Ormesby Hall closes over the winter and that's our window for maintenance. This winter someone who shall remain nameless suggested we relay the fiddle yard on Corfe. It's been extended and patched several times since installation and was getting like a rough sea. It also suffered voltage drops in several places.


The opportunity was therefore taken to redesign it to give more through roads and fewer kickbacks and ideally a.ccommodate more trains. We also decided to replace the boards completely.


However, Easter being very early next year means we only had (as of last week) 12 Monday nights to do this, including building both boards and all the pointwork. So, to avoid panic , I've taken this home to build.


Nothing very innovative, but it's the largest baseboard I've ever built (8' x 2') and the first time I've used the Barry Norman girder technique. It's surprisingly light (but VERY cumbersome).






The missing bracing is the corner of the board which will be trimmed back to enlarge the operating well once the trackwork is in place. The end of the scenic section (nearest the camera on the lower shot) is only 17 1/2" wide at that point. Once this board is in place I expect I'll be building the other half as well.



??? posted on Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:28 pm


Finally an evening alone with my Roger Chivers goodies!


I hope Roger isn't too upset by seeing his lovely kit hacked to pieces, but this evening I've put a compensating unit at one end (ruthless hacking of the MJT unit for RTR wagons, involving a hole in the floor) and built up the brake gear.




The brake shoes are as supplied (commendably fine and so a bu**er to drill holes through) as is the vac cylinder. The rest is bits of wire and some more of the omnipresent Mainly Trains etch.


I've had a bit of an undergubbins evening as earlier I put this together.




This is for yet another Thompson. Actually, I blame Swindon123 for this as his Park Royal (?) thread gave me the idea. Thompson coaches built after (I think) 1948 had rounded corners on the windows to prevent corrosion. The Triang and Bachmann ones all have the square windows. Following S123's lead, therefore, I've been rounding corners and filing cobex assiduously in hotel rooms up and down the country. It's almost ready to assemble.




I hope someone notices. Ultimate respect to Swindon123 for doing a whole unit - I was bored with this after the first three windows.



??? posted on Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:02 pm


My contribution to the Great RogerChiversfest, now complete and awaiting weathering. I may try to photograph this again in daylight - although it's only a satin finish, it kept catching the light no matter where I positioned it.




The rest of the holiday has been a blur of Preiser figures and Thompson underframes. I'm sure the end must be in sight soon...


(Ed. - spelling)


Comment posted by bill4brickwork on Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:04 am


is the d16 a cut down b12 body, i am new to this forem,i cut a b12 down many years ago now an it still is not finished yet



??? posted on Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:32 am


Hello Bill,


Welcome aboard. My D16 is a Little Engines whitemetal kit. It was rebuilt from a previous owner who'd made a bit of a bodge of it. The build was illustrated on a previous version of the forum but has been lost. It's currently awaiting a new motor and is getting towards the top of the 'to do' list.


If you have a look through this thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8229, you'll see that Jules did

exactly what you've started earlier this year and made a very nice job indeed.



??? posted on Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:10 pm


Once I'd got rid of my headache this morning it's been quite a productive day. I wanted to crack on with the other Roger Chivers BY I bought and have been preparing for a little while. This one will be used on Thurston so it's in BR crimson.


The idea was to represent the pigeon shelves which were fitted in these vans (I don't think there's any argument on that point, is there, anyone?). I came up with a sieve (99p from Yorkshire Trading) which was chopped up, sprayed white and epoxied to the inside of the sides.




From the other side you can see it's quite effective. It has to be applied after the glazing, so the side had to be painted, lettered, varnished and glazed before I could stick it in place. It's much less fiddly than masking. Transfers are by Cambridge Custom Transfers.




Suitably encouraged I cracked on into assembly, compensation units and brake rigging and here is where we ended up this evening:




Now only needs handrails, pipes, couplings and lamp irons. I think. I also find it's much easier to paint the solebar with the step off and apply it later, having painted it separately.


Other progress today on these Bachmann Thompson coaches for a club colleague and probably also to be seen shortly on on Thurston. I hope he's got his passengers painted. Once I find some compartment pictures these will be well on the way.






Pair of BCKs.




Comment posted by Miss Prism on Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:23 pm












jwealleans wrote:

so it's in BR crimson

Crimson??? Is there evidence that these carried crimson? (I'm not against the notion, btw, I fancy doing one in that colour.)



??? posted on Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:41 pm


Not wanting to sound officious about it, Miss P, but I referred back to my sources - Dan Pinnock said Crimson (hence my D & S one in Rippers' Christmas Parcels thread) and Brian Haresnape (Railway Liveries, British Steam 1948-68) supports him. Brian H also says they were lined, but the photos I've seen tend to suggest as often not. Brian H also says the ends were black, while everyone else says body colour.


You gave me a bit of a turn, though - I don't want to repaint it now!


Comment posted by Miss Prism on Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:59 pm


Thanks Jonathan. I can see a case for either crimson or maroon, and the crimson does look nice!



??? posted on Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:37 pm


Pigeon Van just about wrapped up and stuck for coach prints for the Thompsons, it's time to move onto the next project.


I've started a High Level gearbox for the D16 but that's stopped as I have no Loctite 601.


I've also dismembered a Hornby 6 wheel milk tank to convert to an LNER diagram. I'm working from Glenn Woods' drawing in British Railway Modelling November 2006. That's just a pile of bits at the moment.


So the main feature tonight is this:




Great Northern Milk Brake body etch by Bill Bedford. The end is out because I sent it off to Dave Smith at Blacksmith to roll a brass roof for it. The brass is very thin and I was concerned at how rigid the finished model will be - especially as it will probably be on a plastikard chassis. With the brass roof it'll be most of a box and hopefully much more solid.


You don't get instructions with these, but then there aren't too many bits either. So far I've stuck two halves of one side together and put in one set of door hinges and droplights. I had to remove the centre hinge (all three come as one piece) as the spacing didn't match the etched holes - what's the betting I forget to put something back to represent them again?


The idea is to do two or three of the tanks and this to make up a train of the sort which used to work down from Leyburn via Northallerton. At least, that was the photo which gave me the idea. I've also liked these ever since Steve Banks did a D & S one in BRM many years ago. I never managed to get hold of one of Danny's, so this is the next best thing.


Comment posted by SimonF on Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:52 pm


I'll be following this one with great interest! I too have always fancied a GNR milk brake after the article in Model Rail a couple of months ago (Steve Banks yet again with the D&S kit) and as a lucky ###### I managed to find one of these kits at a local swapmeet!


I was hoping to get hold of a couple of David Geen Milk tanks but I still don't think they have been released yet.


Comment posted by mozzer models on Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:34 pm













Miss Prism wrote:

Thanks Jonathan. I can see a case for either crimson or maroon, and the crimson does look nice!

you can also have lined crimson



??? posted on Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:27 am




Could I be cheeky and ask for a sight of Dan's instructions? Some of the underframe detail and roof fittings aren't too clear on the Campling drawings.


I asked David Geen some time ago about the LNER Milk Tanks and he said he was struggling to find a drawing for them and needed to sell a few of the others before he could finance the tooling. TBH, with the Hornby one at ??????‚??7 and available in a string bound parcel in two days and his projected kit at ??????‚??30, it wasn't too hard a choice of starting point. No matter how much I prefer to support small manufacturers. I'll have to see how painful the conversion turns out to be. I haven't started gathering bits as yet. I don't believe anyone does the transfers shown on Glenn's drawing either so I may have to look into having those made up.


The Milk Van may take some time - there are an awful lot of hinges and droplights to go in and I'm having to fettle each one ATM.


Comment posted by SimonF on Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:05 am


Yes, I'll dig the kit out later today, and photocopy/scan the instructions for you. I see what you mean about the milk tanks, still not managed to be persuaded into buying Hornby's offerings bit i am still yet to see them in the flesh.



??? posted on Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:56 pm


I've got the body put together now. There are some very neat features to the design which I've been quite impressed with. These etched pieces for the hinges (apologies for the shaky photo)




solder up either side of the door and effectively form the tumblehome to the correct profile for you. They also hold the droplights straight. Sadly holes and hinges didn't quite line up and I had to lose the middle hinge one on every one, but the idea is very good.


First side completed:




And by mid-evening I had the body put together. The hinge pieces give the sides some rigidity, but I will put some 1mm angle along the top to act as a cornice and straighten the sides. That also makes the roof easier to fix.




On now to make up the floor - thanks to Simon for his copy of the D & S instructions which although not for this diagram give some very helpful generic information which will help me crack on with it.



??? posted on Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:36 pm


Not as much progress as I might have liked but we are still moving forward slowly. Once the brass angle arrived, that and the roof have made the whole thing satisfyingly solid.




With handrails and so on fitted it's starting to look the part. I've braced it across the centre and also added brass strip with captive nuts at each end to secure it to the floor. The buffer beams were too thin so they've had a 2mm brass strip laminated to the back. Now we're waiting for some Evergreen strip for the solebars and I need to identify some appropriate buffers.





??? posted on Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:03 pm


Busy and in the main productive day today - lots of things finally clearing off the workbench and allowing my rather short attention span to move onto new things.


First, a lot of the day spent trying to get a couple of failed locos to work in readiness for Harrogate. The D16 illustrated back up thread ended up stripping the gears and so a phone call to Comet on Monday is called for.






has never run reliably and still has me scratching my head. Chassis rolls freely without the motor; motor and gearbox run quietly and sweetly on the bench; put them together and it staggers along the track with the motor labouring and getting hot. At one point this afternoon it froze altogether - after another strip down and reassembly it's working but I'll give it an extended test on Monday night. I feel a High Level replacement coming on.


These are now ready for final finishing and then a short cure before weathering (if required - I haven't asked yet). The first two are mine (Triang), the rest for a club colleague (Bachmann):












Progress on the GNR Milk Brake. I'm struggling to find a drawing for this diagram (the NRM take their time replying to enquiries). Between the Campling book and some D & S instructions which SimonF kindly provided I've sorted out the 'generic' bits on the underframe. Details specific to this diagram, especially the roof layout, will have to wait. I went for some L & Y buffers from Major Clanger (MSE) which I ordered yesterday and had in my hand this morning. How good is that? They just needed filing down from the round base to the oval profile on these vehicles. Coupling hooks were left over from my D120 vans.








Finally a start on the Hornby milk tank I've been looking to convert to the LNER diagram. This is what was left after I attacked it post-arrival:






The chassis stays largely as is, but there are only four tank supports as opposed to the 6 on the GWR diagram. These were cut out of 40 thou plastikard and stuck at the appropriate spacing.




There's quite a bit more to do - major job will be changing the axleboxes (when Dart Castings get round to sending them) and then building up the tank stays and so on. It will need painting and lettering before that paraphernalia can go on and I haven't located suitable transfers yet either.


If this is a su.ccess the plan is to knock up two or three more and run them with the milk brake.


Comment posted by micklner on Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:15 am


Hi J

Top work as usual. Bit confused icon_exclaim.gif The loco is a B17 icon_question.gif not D I presume icon_question.gif . On the Milk Tank is it a LNER or GWR Diagram?

Either way both look really good I have never seen a picture of a LNER Milk Wagon so looking forward to this one. The GNR version looks good too. Have you tried D&S direct re instructions he may have something to help?

I have just won on E Bay two old Brass Chivers kits one being a XL LNER .ccT your pictures will help building this one plus a High roof Bogie NER .ccT which I have been trying to find for quite a while. I have the MRJ Tadlow article for this one. Both are sadly missing roofs. I have spoken to Roger Chivers and he is kindly making some replacements for me.

Mick icon_biggrin.gif



??? posted on Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:54 pm


Cheers, Mick. The loco is a B12 - thought an Essex boy would recognise that. The D16 is right at the top of the thread. Both are misbehaving.


I have some Roger Chivers .ccTs without roofs acquired some time back. If he's making new roofs I'll have to drop him a PM. TBH I've been very taken with the brass roofs which Dave Smith has rolled for me and will probably go that way where I can in the future. ISTR that the Chivers kits fold up from the bottom though, so you have to stick the roof on last?


Dan Pinnock didn't produce this Milk Van diagram as a kit. His was the D310 (which I think was more common). I don't know what the differences are but Campling mentions that there are some - extra skylights for one - so I'm going to try to get it right. I suspect they're similar enough that I could do it as a D 310 if I really can't find any information.


The Hornby milk tanks are a GWR diagram. I believe they built more than anyone else. I'm working to a part drawing in the Campling book and a drawing Glenn Woods published in BRM in late 2006. It's surprising how different they look. I may have to compromise on the transfers, or talk to John Peck. It's not really very clear what livery they would have carried.


Comment posted by micklner on Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:53 pm



B12 icon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gif that will teach me to pay more attention to the tender than the valvegear icon_rolleyes.gificon_redface.gif

Seems strange that you have some of the Chivers kits without roofs , I wonder where they all went. On speaking to Roger he was adamant that the kits came with roofs icon_exclaim.gif Hopefully he can help you as well.

Yes the .ccT's are both the type with the floor attached. The NER version is nearly finished I will post some pictures on my thread.

Only ever used a Brass roof which came on a very poor kit a Connesieur 4 wheel NER Coach , I think I prefer Plastic easy to fit and cut icon_exclaim.gif


Mick icon_biggrin.gif



??? posted on Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:29 pm


I bought a job lot on Ebay - 12 parcels vehicles IIRC - and two of them were Chivers bogie .ccTs, incomplete. One had a missing roof. These are they, just as they turned up about 18 months ago:






It's a crying shame they are no longer available - there were a couple of lovely LMS 6 wheel vans in there as well. I have a 4 wheel one to build much like the one you did last year.


I'll drop him a PM and ask about getting one made up.


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??? posted on Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:09 pm


It's all been a bit quiet what with one thing and another but I haven't been completely idle - I can tease you with a GER 50' coach from Allen Doherty which I haven't yet photographed but mainly I've been getting ready for Harrogate.


What is (almost) complete OMWB today - and there are some small changes to be made after looking at these pictures - is my very first scratchbuilt building. I offer it here for comment - this is a new area for me and it's taken about three years to get this far. You know how you put things to one side when they're a bit more difficult and stick to the easier things? This has all been a bit of a voyage of discovery.






It's based on the Goods Shed at Ramsey East. I say based on because although it's structurally and dimensionally the same, by the time it was photographed the building had been altered and whitewashed all over. The brickwork is a bit of a guess. It does appear in the background of some photos of the station but a great deal of it has had to be guesswork. As it will appear on Ely MRC's new Ramsey layout, which is a composite of the two Ramsey stations, we can live with a bit of fiction.









??? posted on Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:29 pm


A good railway day today - a trip up to Shildon to the show there and then some time at the workbench this afternoon/evening.


First of all a mini-project. The Chivers pigeon van displayed a dismaying tendency to dive into the ballast at Harrogate. Now there were extenuating circumstances - board joints going all over the place as the temperature fluctuated wildly - but some attention was clearly required. This van is already compensated, so squareness is much less likely to be an issue. Two things came to mind on examination - more weight and different wheels. The wheels are a bit finescale for our dodgy baseboard joints on curves (no idea where they come from) and so they were replaced with some Hornby ones purchased this morning. These Chinese made wheels are fine enough for Code 75 or hand made OO track and cost a fraction of the price of some other makes. Just don't forget to correct the back to back on them. You can make out the difference in flange depth (and wheel width) below.




To weight down the vehicle without removing the roof I used Liquid Lead. Above I've cut two pieces of Evergreen 1/2" channel to put across the body inboard of the wheelsets. I used this channel because it's the same depth as the solebars and I have plenty of offcuts. These are stuck into place and left to set.


Below we're ready to add the lead. I've placed the van in a cradle and applied PVA to the floor. The two cross pieces are lost in the white PVA but you'll see where they are in a mo. Note the container - liquid lead is like greased water and can go everywhere in fractions of a second. My children can't get to my workshop, but if you work in the house and want to keep pets and children safe make sure you contain the stuff. Lead is still a poison.




Pour the lead into the vehicle using a teaspoon and then level it off and push into the corners with a cocktail stick. I levelled off with the solebar so it can't be seen. Once that's done, drop dilute PVA into the lead and allow to soak everywhere . That will stop little balls raining off every time it goes over a bump. Soak up the excess with kitchen roll.




I bought these very handy droppers from Boots some years ago - only pennies and ideal for jobs like this.




Then the whole thing - still in the container - has gone for a couple of days in the airing cupboard to thoroughly dry out.


In the meantime, I've started these two GE 50' coaches from Worsley Works. They're a body only etch - the roofs were supplied by Blacksmith Models and the bogies are Coopercraft Fox 8'. THere is a scarcity of information about the underframe layouts on these vehicles. The Great Eastern Society have bent over backwards to help (doubly so, as I'm not even a member!) and I'm waiting for some drawings, but there will have to be some guesswork based on photographs.


These are an all 3rd (TK):




.. and a brake 3rd (BTK). Both from the type built after 1906 for express work.




These older coaches are much more elaborate than more modern ones - here the ends, yet to have the alarm gear, jumpers, handrails, light switch and so on fitted. Windows in the ends also dates them. They're nice etches, though, which I'm looking forward to building on. It gives me confidence for the forthcoming H2.




Comment posted by micklner on Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:57 pm




Top work icon_clap.gif . Who stocks liquid lead?


cheers Mick icon_wave.gif


Comment posted by rob2 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:10 am


Hi Jon,

Lovely coaches there,yes it bodes well for the H2.I've noted your use of Blacksmith for coach roofs,useful tip as I'm not sure I fancy shaping roofs for future projects.Would there be anything helpful in D&S GER coach instructions with regards to the underframes of these Diagrams?I have some corridor coach kits in my stash and could look them up if you think it might help.

I meant to enquire some time ago-what is the origin of the brickwork on that building?Very convincing looking.

I note also your comment re the Hornby wheels-for me the advantage of Romfords etc while affordable was the slightly wider thread rather than deeper flanges-coped better with overscale gaps esp at frogs,one of the drawbacks of "00".I've experimented with the Bachy split-spokes,they seem slightly over-large in diameter but work well on the few (mainly Slaters) kits I've tried them on.Have you used them at any stage for kitbuilds?





??? posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:03 am


Morning chaps and thanks for your kind comments.


Mick - Liquid Lead you can get from Eileen's Emporium at shows. Other people may do it but I know he does. Mine didn't come from there, but TBH I really can't remember where I did get it from. Model Rail used to offer it by post but I think they've dropped it now - Chris Leigh may be able to te;; you who supplied them. I bought a half kilo bag years ago and am still using it, but then I try to put weight inside if I can and recent DIY projects have made about 8' of water pipe and 15' of gas pipe available, so I don't use it often.


Rob - I'd be happy with any additional information and I always regard Danny's advice and research as worth hearing. A club colleague has a 7mm one for which he's lost the instructions but he has allowed me to borrow the underframe itself which is useful. I'm awaiting a number of magazine articles which may also help.


The building is just good old Slater's English Bond. The realism is due to Mrs. W (bless her!) spending hours picking out individual bricks in different shades before I washed in the mortar and then lightly drybrushed colour over it to blend them in.


I have used the Bachman split spoke wheels, and agree they look wider than the Hornby ones. The ones I used were cast wheels and stub axles pushed into a plastic tube, which made it well-nigh impossible to alter the back to back without loosening the wheels on the axle. I also made the rather stupid mistake of using them on an ABS LNER hopper. Cast wheels - brass bearings - metal kit - dead short. How thick did I feel! That said the last coach wheels of Bachmann's I used were much more like the Hornby ones so perhaps it's worth having another look.


Comment posted by rob2 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:33 pm


Jon-love your story re-the Bachmann wheels,exactly what I would done except I would have dismantled my locos first before copping it was the wagon! icon_rolleyes.gif

Mrs JW did the brickwork!I might suggest it here.If I never post again,you'll know how that idea went down........

Here is a comparative photo of Romford,Gibson and the current Bachmann split spoke wheels...


The Romford measures just perceptibly under the Gibson,its not just the rims,but both at 12mm nom.The Bachmann is 13mm nom. and accentuated by the deeper flanges however...


The Bachmann are left,a Slaters wagon,the Gibson right,a Cambrian kit.I'm sticking with Gibson but will recycle Bachmann from any Blue Riband wagons I buy,putting Gibsons under the Bachmanns and using the Bachys under kits.Oddly the plastic sleeved Bachmann wheels are closer to scale diam!

I have three D&S GER 50' coaches-got last Autumn(BTYI think Dan may still have one or two of these left over)-and I think they are the same as yours-will PM to discuss options!





??? posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:41 pm


Monday brought two very welcome deliveries - from the Great Eastern Society some underframe drawings and from the Vintage Carriage Trust a copy of Model Railway Constructor for April 1963, containing drawings of 50' Great Eastern carriages with oodles of detail and precise locations for roof vents.


But before we got too excited...


The BYP had dried, so was given a coat of black paint. I always paint over lead - even when I've stuck it inside - as it protects you when you're handling the vehicle. Nasty, nasty stuff. The paint does, of course, discourage the lead balls from falling off. I also note that I've forgotten the dynamo belt (David Bigcheeseplant's thread reminded me) so that will be added in due course.




So, on to the main event of the evening - the trusty Comet LNER underframe pack suitably hacked about. V hangers with only one leg, a dynamo on the side rather than the end of its hanger and some scratchbuilt battery boxes. Wire trussing with queen posts from brass tube and handrail knobs. It's starting to look much more like a coach now.






Comment posted by micklner on Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:07 pm



Nice coaches icon_clap.gif , is it the camera? the vac brake tanks look huge icon_wow.gif !!!!??


cheers Mick



??? posted on Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:14 pm


Hi Mick,


Not sure if you're referring to the vac cylinders (Comet) - which are the same as the other LNER coaches I've built - or the battery boxes - which are the plastikard bits I've built. The battery boxes are comparatively large, but I've got drawings and a 7mm model to work from and they are all of a consistent size.


Comment posted by mozzer models on Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:54 pm







jwealleans wrote:

Hi Mick,


Not sure if you're referring to the vac cylinders (Comet) - which are the same as the other LNER coaches I've built - or the battery boxes - which are the plastikard bits I've built. The battery boxes are comparatively large, but I've got drawings and a 7mm model to work from and they are all of a consistent size.

comet vac tanks are a lot bigger then the ones that 247 sell


Comment posted by micklner on Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:39 pm


Hi J

Vac tanks it might be an optical illusion?? + being unpainted in the picture. Battery boxes look fine to me.





Comment posted by Steam on Shed on Shed on Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:00 am


You have some superb rolling stock there, I'm in awe of that rake of Gresleys with the level of detail & how good they look together in that rake.


Keep up the good work & of course the pictures.





??? posted on Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:20 pm


Why thank you Darren, but to be honest those Gresleys are not really any harder than kitbashing something by Airfix. The real skill is with the people who made all the different components - I just put them together. The only original bit is the interior, which isn't really rocket science.


We're very lucky to have the Kirk kits to work from. Have a go - you might surprise yourself. Tony Brown is very helpful when it comes to sending out sides, ends or other parts of a kit. I use their bogies and seats a fair bit, as you can see.


How's your Garrett? I take my hat off to anyone who can compensate a loco and make it work.


Comment posted by Steam on Shed on Shed on Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:44 pm


The Garrett is at the back of the workbench at the moment, the front engine unit is virtually complete apart from paint.

The compensation is really abit OTT for OO but I enjoy the challenge as I enjoy building the chassis for locos probably more than the body. icon_lol.gif


I'm taking a break to rebuild the GWR 7200 for Jim.

The Garrett has taken a lot of fettling + trial & error to get where it is so after I've finished the 7200 I have an all etched Southern Z class 0-8-0 to assemble which shouldn't require the same amount of fuss, chosen because it looks like a nice kit with not alot of whitemetal, I really enjoy the etched stuff as its a real joy to work with in a well designed kit, It should go together fairly quick.

After that I will go back & finish the Garrett.


I'm not really interested enough to build or collect any passenger stock but I still enjoy looking at what others are turning out as I still appreciate the work & level of detail that goes into producing coaches.

Maybe one day you could tempt me into one. icon_rolleyes.gif





??? posted on Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:30 pm


I spent this week travelling, so I took a project suitable for hotel room modelling with me. I spent quite a bit on Chivers kits at York, so they were the obvious candidates. I won't bore you with the Pigeon vans until they're complete, but I also bought a loco coal truck, which I haven't seen anyone else illustrate on here. As I had a Colin Ashby kit for the same vehicle I thought it might make an interesting comparative build.


Both went together quite well, but the Chivers scored heavily both in the accuracy of the parts and the provision of locating aids on the floor to help you site everything accurately.




Here they are side by side - the Colin Ashby is the lighter one to the front. This picture makes the Chivers one look higher..




... which it isn't. The CA one is fractionally longer and over 1mm wider. I thought I might have got the side/end join the wrong way round, but I don't believe that's the case.




For what it's worth, Roger's kit is clearly a step forward in terms of fineness and crispness of detail. I hope the pictures make that clear. I don't know what developments may have taken place in plastic moulding since the CA kit had its origins; it may be unfair to compare the two. The older kit is of a different plastic - it's softer, bendier and somehow makes the moulding less crisp and clearly defined. The only point where I think the older kit may score a clear point is on the insides of the doors. Bolt heads on the outside match to strapping on the inside - Roger's kit has boltheads both sides which serve no apparent purpose.


These will slide to the back burner for a short while but I will post the completed models when done. Roger is already ahead on the brake gear stakes - one of the CA brake levers broke while I was cutting out the solebar, which is the sort of thing you can do without.



??? posted on Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:37 pm


The GER coaches have been occupying what little time I seem to have had. The brake is now almost ready for primer.




You realise what an enormous amount of detail and gubbins there are on these coaches when you have to start making it for yourself. The discs on the roof are the blanking plates fitted where the gas lamps used to be. These are just punched out of a piece of paper. Other underframe bits by Comet, Mainly Trains (that LNER brake gear etch again!) and bits of bent wire. Bogie steps are Evergreen channel with one edge planed off.




The close up shows off my horrible blobby soldering and the tiny holes round the steps which I still need to fill. Again, Comet and bent wire here.


Comment posted by micklner on Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:08 pm


Excellent icon_clap.gif What colour are you going to paint them?




Comment posted by micklner on Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:08 pm


Excellent icon_clap.gif What colour are you going to paint them?





??? posted on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:51 am


Is there an echo in here?


They'll be grubby brown, as seems to have been the case in the last years of their lives. I don't believe any were ever painted crimson and cream, let alone maroon (with the exception of Restaurant Cars, I believe).


Comment posted by micklner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:43 pm


OK OK icon_rolleyes.gificon_redface.gif


BUTTONS!!!!! icon_twisted.gif


They should look good, cant beat a bit of muck!!




Comment posted by micklner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:56 pm




I think you using Kirk Bogies?

I am just starting to build some Mailcoach Tourist Stock. I have priced MJT and its coming out a bit expensive icon_wow.gificon_wow.gif . The rake i am building uses ten bogies in total on six coaches.

Have you ever used Kirks on Artic Units? I havent built any Kirk items for years and in fairness the bogie sides dont look to bad. One problem is they will be very light ,is there any point adding some lead sheet underneath them?

They sit on a curved mounting as supplied does that give a little bit of compensation? One advantage of MJT is there compensation qualities and there whitemetal bogie sides a bit of weight , they cost how much in total icon_wow.gificon_wow.gif


cheers Mick



??? posted on Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:38 pm


I have used Kirk bogies on artic units (a Coronation rake) and they aren't too bad except for the spacing. I'll try to dig out my QuadArt which uses ABS bogies on mountings which were an idea of Steve Banks' s. They allow for a centre pivot and adjustment between coaches. I'll post some pics.


Have you looked at Comet or Blacksmith for bogies as well? I like the ABS because they're nice and heavy, but I've used the old Comet ones as well. I haven't built any since they changed the design. The Blacksmith ones are not unlike the ABS and went together quite well.


I'm using the Coopercraft Fox ones on here because they were the nearest I could find. Sod's Law - I now know that 247 and (I think) Roxey) do a similar bogie in whitemetal which might have been a better bet for weight. They both run quite freely, though.



??? posted on Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:58 pm


Right - for Mick, and anyone else who fancies a bit of articulation, here is how I did my QuadArt. I claim no credit for the idea - its from Steve Banks, probably in Model Rail.


Working from the end, the first bogie is a Comet of the old variety.




Then on the next car, where the bogies are shared, we have a sliding brass strip with a hole in. The strip slides along a screw set in the floor which can be tightened to secure it when the appropriate spacing has been set. What you can't see here is that this is a double thickness brass strip under the floor, but single thickness at the end with the hole in.




At the other end we have a single thickness brass strip, sliding as before, but this time with a washer soldered on underneath the pivot hole. This, along with the double thickness used at the other end, allows one coupling to sit on top of the other but the coaches remain level. It also means you have to letter the ends so you get the right pairs together.




The ABS bogie has had the pivot pin soldered in upside down:




...while underneath there's a nut glued into place to hold the whole thing together. The 12BA bolt is screwed down between the cars and the set is then coupled.




This is the effect. If you put the couplings together the right way they do sit level.




I've had this set running round Corfe and it coped with the 3' radius curves and uneven trackwork nicely. The ABS bogies are satisfyingly heavy but you can make them run very freely.


Comment posted by micklner on Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:39 am




I presume the pivot sits underneath the soldered washer on the brass strip? I also presume it is semi permanent fixing . That would be fun splitting with a Quad set!!


many thanksalso




Comment posted by Pint of Adnams on Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:35 pm


When I was working in 4mm EM, I bought some fold-up compensated bogie etches from Mike Trice (as t'was at the time) that would take Gresley (or whatever) sides and the choice of which ones was your own - use the Kirk/Ashby/Mailcoach plastic mouldings as supplied, or any one of a number of whitemetal castings.


They're still available from the MJT range at Dart Castings, and there's an articulation unit too: http://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt.htm#S ... ationUnits


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Comment posted by Baby Deltic on Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:46 pm


Very nice work. I like the articulated stock and the D16 especially. icon_razz.gif



??? posted on Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:46 am


Cheers, BD. You're tempting me to go back to a Nu Cast J15 I have to tart up sometime.


Mick - the Quad is a bit of a ###### to split after you've got it all set up - I'm going to make it a box such that I only have to separate it in the middle. Then I really ought to get an all-3rd one to go with it... and that Connoisseur N7 I have put away....


Comment posted by micklner on Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:27 pm



Thought the Quad would be a handful the split idea sounds good.

I am going for the cheap route on the Tourists Stock and try the supplied design a simple peg at each end sitting in the bogie. If its naff i have some MJT aric bits to try as well. Must get some new pictures done!!







??? posted on Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:41 pm


Bit of a diversion today - I have a few LNER projects almost done, but this is for a club colleague and I wanted it ready for Sutton Coldfield show next weekend. Inspired by Coachmann's thread, but in the end carried out quite differently.


March's finest:










The camera always gives a useful and different perspective - I will touch up those shiny bits on the motion which aren't terribly visible to the naked eye. The stains from the washout plugs could do with toning down just a bit as well. The fire iron rack (247 Developments) makes a big difference to the tender. Fire irons are in preparation. I also have a correct top feed on the way to replace the WR one but it hasn't made it in time. That can be done after the show.



??? posted on Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:36 pm


Don't you find you get more productive just before a show? I've been making an effort to get these GE coaches ready for Sutton Coldfield this weekend, especially as after that they won't be out again until next year (at least, on Thurston).


The 3rd is about there. I shan't be weathering them until after the show when paint and varnish have thoroughly cured as opposed to just dried.






I have to say that the more I've worked on these coaches the more I've taken a liking to them. Allen Doherty's etches have caught the distinctive panelling very well and with those large picture windows and elegant shape, they're a nice looking vehicle. I hope to assemble a rake over the next few months.


This also made progress over last weekend - I got the brake gear put on. Quite what I'd do without that MT etch for LNER brake gear I really don't know. It now needs the filler and ladder putting back and the strapping over the tank to go on. It's come quite a way from the Hornby original.






Comment posted by Pennine MC on Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:14 pm






It's come quite a way from the Hornby original.

Hasnt it just icon_cool.gif


I think that highlights the need for a milk tanker that falls somewhere nicely between the Lima/Hornby/Dapol 'not-quite-state-of-the-art' RTR and the Geen kits...


Comment posted by Pudley Wonderer on Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:41 pm







jwealleans wrote:

Don't you find you get more productive just before a show?

Hmmm, with the build up to the SWAG-bash this weekend, and trying to get that open cab pannier finished in time, I'm becomming confused as to which end of the candle I am actually burning icon_confused.gificon_mutter.gificon_lol.gif


So yes, you do become slightly more productive than usual I'd say icon_thumbsup2.gif



??? posted on Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:54 pm


After some drying time we're about ready. Reassembled this lunchtime and after a little finishing will be in the box tonight.


Brake 3rd (I think D419 but that's a bit notional)








I think that second picture shows why these coaches have more character than more modern ones. That end will be the visible one on the rake, once I've added sides to the corridor connector and a tail lamp. The grille which separated the brake compartment from the corridor also shows well.


This is the rake as I intend it to run this weekend, using a spare CK from the batch I built last summer:




I'm quite looking forward to seeing these chugging round behind an E4 or D16.


This is also finished bar the couplings - not for me, but to be seen on Pilmoor at Ormesby Hall.




Comment posted by mozzer models on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:23 pm


nice looking Teak there


Comment posted by billb on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:25 pm







mozzer models wrote:

nice looking Teak there

Pity the solebars are black.


Comment posted by Pennine MC on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:55 pm







billb wrote:


Pity the solebars are black.



Meaning they shouldnt be, or just that you dont like black?


Comment posted by billb on Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:01 pm







Pennine MC wrote:

billb wrote:


Pity the solebars are black.

Meaning they shouldnt be, or just that you dont like black?


Meaning the LNER painted carriage solebars brown. Brown coaches with black solebars look just plain wrong.


Comment posted by Pennine MC on Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:23 pm


Well thank you for the clarification. I shouldnt really divert Jonathan's thread like this, but I do find criticism so much more useful when people take the time to explain themselves icon_smile.gif



??? posted on Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:39 pm


Bill is quite right, but it's the angle of the camera which is at fault. This should make it a bit clearer:




I've used Roger's stepboard, which is overscale as you'd expect from a plastic moulding. That combined with taking the shot from slightly above served to conceal the solebar itself.


I suppose you'd say the camera didn't lie - just got a bit economical with the truth.


Comment posted by micklner on Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:54 pm


Nice work icon_clap.gificon_clap.gif




??? posted on Thu May 08, 2008 8:45 pm


Thurston is resting until September now, so while I await some more GE coaches it's back to some more local projects. Tonight saw the Milk Tank structurally finished (unless I decide I don't like any of it). Based on Glenn Woods' drawing in BRM (Nov. 2006, IIRC), we've taken this:




.. and made it into this:






I spent a long time messing about with different ways to make up the turnbuckle on the tank retaining straps, but in the end I've invoked the 3' rule. They'll be painted black anyway. If someone tells me about some nice etched ones from somewhere I'll change them. The only obvious place I could think of was David Geen and there weren't any in the tank wagon kit of his I built a couple of years ago.


I'm still considering the buffers - I haven't really given them any thought up to now. Any suggestions?


Now, once that nice Major Clanger has sent through the torpedo vents I ordered yesterday we'll have a GN Milk Brake for it to run with....


Comment posted by Atso on Fri May 09, 2008 6:02 pm


Lovely work as always. You've really got a knack for the teak effect, shame you don't do all your coaches like that! icon_lol.gif



??? posted on Sat May 10, 2008 6:55 am


Cheers, Steve. A lot of my stock runs in the 1950s so I can't really get away with teak. There are two teaks on the WB at the moment, though, so keep watching....



??? posted on Tue May 13, 2008 8:46 pm


As requested, back to the teak. I finally found a photo from which to work out the roof arrangement, so the Milk Brake has returned to the centre of attention:




I was especially pleased with these rather wonderful vents from Exactoscale, available from Major Clanger of this parish:




The tanker has had some tidying up - as a prototype, you'd expect things to need more than one go. I've levelled up the retaining straps and beefed up the bracing which retains the ends - the original looked a bit spindly. A coat of paint brings it all together as well.




Finally, a guest appearance; a Slaters NE brake van from Pilmoor which only came in for a repaint (it had been finished in grey instead of red oxide).




The handrails had been glued, however. Some were too short and some weren't straight. So they had to go.




They're quite intricate as they wrap round the ends and effectively make a single rail round three sides of the van. These aren't perfect but they're better than what was there before.




Comment posted by micklner on Tue May 13, 2008 8:55 pm



Who is Major Clanger??


The Milk Van is great work. Must get a couple more of the Slaters Brake vans the prices for D&S on Ebay are going daft!!




Comment posted by billb on Tue May 13, 2008 9:00 pm






jwealleans wrote:

As requested, back to the teak. I finally found a photo from which to work out the roof arrangement, so the Milk Brake has returned to the centre of attention:

...but you've painted the solebars black again


Usually they were lighter than the body. Doncaster called the shade 'beech brown'


Comment posted by mozzer models on Tue May 13, 2008 9:02 pm



Who is Major Clanger??


MSE, Wizard Models icon_thumbsup2.gif



??? posted on Tue May 13, 2008 9:09 pm


I haven't actually finished painting it yet, Bill. They won't be staying that colour.


I use the Precision teak for solebars which, as you say, usually comes out lighter than the body. It's very close to the shade on the LNERCA ones on the NYMR.


Mick - Major Clanger is Andrew Hartshorne, Model Signal Engineering/51L/Wizard Models. I've given up looking at Ebay for D & S kits. Bill covers very similar ground for coaching stock and you can see above how good his etches look.


Comment posted by micklner on Tue May 13, 2008 9:20 pm



Just found them with some other new items including a Gresley Roof moulding. They also have some Bain Clerestory stock listed as used by MR /LMS and NBR/LNER and sensible prices. Bain (I presume the same one) designed NER stock as well so that will do nicely for some more coaching stock in due course.






Comment posted by billb on Tue May 13, 2008 9:42 pm







jwealleans wrote:

I haven't actually finished painting it yet, Bill. They won't be staying that colour.


I use the Precision teak for solebars which, as you say, usually comes out lighter than the body. It's very close to the shade on the LNERCA ones on the NYMR.

Upps sorry.........


I've just been wondering how often these van were cleaned. Did they tend to end up like BR GUVs etc where you had difficulty deciding what colour the paint was underneath the muck?


Here's a couple of shots of a coach built by one of my customers.





Both copyright Dick Petter


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Comment posted by Pennine MC on Tue May 13, 2008 9:51 pm


Liking that milk brake J - very elegant icon_cool.gif


BTW there are no numbers on it, or on that brake van. Have you not finished painting them yet then icon_wink.gif



??? posted on Wed May 14, 2008 10:58 am


Cheers, Ian. I like that GNR stock as well. I had my C1 down at the club on Monday - maybe when I've finished the GE rake I'll look at a set of these. Next year, perhaps.


Bill - that is a lovely coach. I was struggling for the diagram until I read the CLC on the side. I take your point and tend to agree - I suspect the cleanliness of non-passenger vehicles was mainly linked to how hard it had been raining. The teak wheel centres must have got lost in a similar way. I looked around when I was about to paint those GE coaches but I couldn't find any colour shots which showed the solebars anything but filthy. I did paint those black, but once weathered you won't be able to tell.


Adrian (Buckjumper) did a good series of shots on a thread some time ago showing that even Victorian and Edwardian stock and locos were dirty - I can't see that by the latter half of the 1930s things had improved any.


Comment posted by rob2 on Wed May 14, 2008 9:06 pm


Hi again Jon,

Painting the solebars and footboards is a ###### isn't it? icon_grumpy.gif I found I could do a reasonably neat job on etched footboards which are sharp and slightly out from the solebar but not on the plastic Chivers or Kirk types.I've surrendered,and leave both teak for the moment!Sometime I might declare"Year of the Footboard" and have another go at them!

I also have a grey Birdcage icon_redface.gif -one of the first kits I ever built, but may get away with it behind a train with the loco in very early LNER condition I hope!I did build one in bauxite when I discovered the error!





??? posted on Thu May 15, 2008 11:46 am










I also have a grey Birdcage

You're not the only one, matey....




One of the very first kits I ever built as well. I think those Slater's kits are very underrated. I suppose I ought to repaint it now. I do seem to have soldered the handrails even then.


Footboards, as you say, you just have to cut in. One side of that Milk Brake has a pipe running along it which is going to make it look black whatever I do. The Chivers ones are actually quite easy because you can paint the footboard separately and then stick it on from the back once everything's painted up.


My own pet hate on teaks is the cornice being roof coloured instead of teak. It makes a surprising difference to the appearance of the coach. Once I had it pointed out to me I find it stands out a mile when I see them done incorrectly at shows.


Subsequent to Bill's post and photos I was flicking through The Big Four in Colour at lunchtime. You'd be hard pressed to tell what colour other than dirty any of the solebars and wheels on the passenger stock were. I even noted a set of artics where the cornices looked grey. So even the LNER didn't always get it right!



??? posted on Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:13 pm


As we departed for two weeks in France, I packed the soldering iron and a few kits just in case we had a wet afternoon. See if you can guess how cr*p the weather was.....


After a lot of coaches I thought some goods stock would be a nice change, so I rooted out a set of whitemetal pregrouping kits.




David Geen GC vans




Three NE G2 vans - fitted one David Geen, unfitted from Major Clanger (51L)




Two NB opens - 51L again




GN open and van - ABS, I think formerly D & S kits.




MR Motor Car van - ABS




Model Wagon Co. Midland Long Low and NB brake van. These were an Ebay buy and I couldn't complete them as I didn't have the right iron to solder up the brass w-irons these came with.


I thought I might get one or two to a reasonably complete stage - by the end of the fortnight I was wishing I'd taken paint and transfers as I could have had most of them finished. As it is I see an evening of bending plastikard ahead and then some fiddly handrails for that brake van.



??? posted on Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:25 pm


Milk brake now finished and awaiting weathering. I expect I'll get those trucks done and then have a weathering session all at once.


Bill's etches make up into a very handsome vehicle indeed.






The tanker is pending further investigation of the livery - does anyone know how I might contact Glen Woods? I'm sure he's posted on here but I couldn't find him and he hasn't responded to my query on his photo site.


Comment posted by Neil on Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:37 pm


jwealleans wrote:

As we departed for two weeks in France, I packed the soldering iron and a few kits just in case we had a wet afternoon. See if you can guess how cr*p the weather was .....

Tres merde?



??? posted on Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:21 am


C'???’?‚?©tait un tas de merde, effectivement. J'ai eu beacoup mieux en Aberystwyth fin mars que l???’?‚ -bas. Par contre, j'ai un peut reduit mon stock de kits. Faut toujours regarder le cote positif.


Comment posted by rob2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:42 am


Mon Dieu Jon,pour un Rosbif votre francais est incroyable!Peut etre c'est possible qui tous les gens d'LNER sur ce "site" la commence en parler en Francais nous faits prenez grande confusion pour les autres pauvres qui modele le GWR,LMS,SR etc icon_eek.gif Mon franglais est tres,er,been!Au bientot!




??? posted on Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:58 am


Neil's post should actually have been 'merdique', but I couldn't bear the thought of being a pedant in two languages....


Comment posted by rob2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:16 am


I'd better stop then! icon_biggrin.gif Lovely work Jon,keep them coming!




??? posted on Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:23 am


Cheers, matey. How's your tracklaying going?


Comment posted by rob2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:42 am











jwealleans wrote:

Cheers, matey. How's your tracklaying going?

icon_redface.gificon_rolleyes.gif about sums it up.I'm pretty certain it will be Peco Code 75 now,running tests have been satisfactory and your point last year that you'd rather be building more stock struck a chord-I like building PCB track,its much cheaper BUT I can get a fair bit of PECO laid and working in the time I'd get one point built.So more time for all those kits out there....

Planning is also running slowly,originally I intended to essentially copy the vintage layout trackplan but I may try to be a little more "sophistimicated" as they say.Still hope to get down to it in earnest next few weeks!Famous last words.......





??? posted on Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:17 am


I'm stuck for transfers for all those trucks and the tankers, so my wandering attention has turned to another little idea I had some time ago. I was looking at the Parkside grain vans (PC13) and wondering how hard it would be to backdate one to the original build. I posted a query here and all sorts of interesting possibilities opened up.


In the end I decided to try an original LNER build and a GWR V29 reconversion to grain traffic. There's a picture of the LNER one on the thread referenced above, and the GWR rebuild here. Parkside do extra sprues as spares for 75 p each, so away we went.


The LNER one I did as a cut and shut, moving the cross braced section to the centre and adding new sections with Slaters 6" planking. It doesn't quite match the Parkside, but once all that door bracing is over the top of it you'll not be able to tell. This is now waiting for some Evergreen strip to arrive. The framing is built up with 40 thou. x 30 thou. but the door frames themselves were of a larger section.




For the GWR one I removed the bracing on a plain side and then reinstated it in a different configuration using 10 thou x 30 thou. strip.






There are a few other minor differences between the vehicles. Can anyone with apostimg.ccess to the Russell GWR wagon volumes advise me on axleboxes and buffers for the V29?



??? posted on Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:50 pm


Some more progress tonight. The roof door. I hesitated over replacing the roof altogether as there's a lot of carving to do and I thought I might make a mess of it. In the end I kept it and we'll see what it looks like with paint on. My usual roof mix has a fair bit of talc in it so it can double as a filler. These vans had only one large roof door as opposed to the twin doors supplied on the Parkside kit.






Another difference between the LNER and GWR interpretations are the quite conspicuous frames the GWR put round the end inspection windows. These will need tidying up once they've set properly - the 10 x 20 thou strip is very fiddly to get in here.




This is one of the older Parkside kits, I believe. The side/end joint is not great and I've struggled with them on every one of these I've built - and I'm into double figures now. The roof isn't a great fit either. What really gives its age away is the two-part floor, which I've replaced with 40 thou sheet here. I will compensate these as they'll be used to shunt with on Thurston, which involves reversing through pointwork. These vehicles have a short wheelbase for their length, which along with the split floor (if you use it) can make them unstable. I have some Comet units from MT's clearance coming along.


It's worth persevering with these, though, as they make up into a nice vehicle when finished. The underfloor hopper unit also gives the ideal location for weighting them, which helps overcome the potential running problems I've mentioned.



??? posted on Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:11 pm


A little more progress last night.... got the roof conversion done for the LNER hopper:






While awaiting the other bits of strip, I built up the hoppers and filled them up with lead ready for application to the body once the wheels are fitted.





??? posted on Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:44 pm


Some more progress at the weekend... the door bracing and the quite distinctive doorstops. These will need to be filed flat (carefully) at some point.






The doors on these are actually quite intricate with an unusual opening mechanism. That will be the next challenge.



??? posted on Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:46 pm


Progress has been made, albeit slowly.... I'm waiting for axleboxes and buffers from Dart Castings now, although we're a long way from having no more to do in the meantime. I had to replace the Parkside solebars with evergreen channel as the Parkside ones were too thick to allow the Comet W-iron assemblies between them. That means some more detail and rivets to add. I was also going to reuse the Parkside axleboxes and springs on the LNER vehicle, but Tatlow shows it having RCH axleboxes and weaker springs (the first batch were only rated for 20 tons). I'll have to find an alternative source.


The whole batch looks much more like it with wheels on and the hopper units fitted - I had to carve one end off to fit it between the wheels and still allow the rocking end to work, but you'll never tell in the fog and darkness of an exhibition....


GWR van - once the package from Dart arrives this is fairly close to completion.




LNER van - RCH buffers fitted and solebar/body brackets started as well as the locking mechanism for the door. It also shows how horribly out of square this side has turned out - a combination of the solebar curving slightly up and the door dropping down towards the same end. I'll have to see whether I can tweak that at all.




The door fastening mechanism was a small handwheel on a threaded rod - I imagine both for security of closing and to make it very hard for someone to open a full hopper side door and have 15 tons of grain land on his head. These were made of .33 brass wire and some small handwheels from a Brassmasters detailing kit.




And just to remind us where we're going this is one I prepared (much) earlier. I've never got on with Powside transfers as can be seen on this example.




Comment posted by 31A on Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:05 pm


Nice work, Jonathan! I've looked at those wagons many times (over many years icon_rolleyes.gif ) in Peter Tatlow's Bible, and always thought 'Nah - too difficult' - but here you are making it look easy (or at any rate, do-able icon_wink.gif ).


Comment posted by mozzer models on Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:55 pm


Hi Jonathan

now you have built one of these wagons have you thought of having a mould make so that they could then be made in resing icon_thumbsup2.gif



??? posted on Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:27 am


Thanks, chaps. I've been round that circle many times myself, Steve, but something prompted me to have a go and it's by no means as hard as scratchbuilding. I hadn't thought of resin casting, Brian, although now you've said it, it's a thought. I'd want to make a much better master, though. You could probably just do the sides and use them to replace the Parkside ones.


Comment posted by Captain Kernow on Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:20 pm











jwealleans wrote:

I had to replace the Parkside solebars with evergreen channel as the Parkside ones were too thick to allow the Comet W-iron assemblies between them

Jonathan, very impression conversion work there, I like the results very much.


Regarding the brass W irons and Parkside kits, could you not have filed the inside faces of the solebars away sufficiently to fit the 'W' irons? I know it works well with Bill Bedford 'W' irons.



??? posted on Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:22 pm


Thanks, Tim.











could you not have filed the inside faces of the solebars away

I probably could and almost certainly did on the others I did for Thurston. I expect at least one would have broken in half, though. There isn't too much detail on them - they'd have had a lot more chance if all those brackets were present - I wasn't going to keep them just for the V hangers, so it was as easy just to discard them.



??? posted on Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:44 am


Moved the GWR van on a bit now and it's almost ready to go off for the fitting of Sprat and Winkles. For that reason the roof won't go on until it comes back. I ended up making the brake gear out of brass - much more robust. For those not familar with these vans the gear is asymmetrical and has a lifting link arrangement at one side. I've also made a representation of the hopper opening gear. Handwheels are again from the highly useful brassmasters etch.




There's also been the tedious job of adding rivet detail. I was going to use the John Hayes method but had no 10 thou rod, so I punched indentations into 10 thou plastikard with the London Road Models rivet tool and then lopped the top off from the other side with a scalpel. I'm pleased you can actually see them, although some will have to be repositioned now that the primer has made them visible.




The primer brings it all together nicely and shows up where there'll be some more tidying needed before a final paint.



??? posted on Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:38 am


Still waiting for the springs and axleboxes for the grain van, but I haven't been completely idle: the Motor car van has had a repaint as the only photo I could find was in grey livery. I'm now looking for a source for the 'Motor Car Van' lettering which I think was beside the door to the upper right.




In the meantime I've gone back to the Swedey again with this CK and BTK.




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??? posted on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:19 pm


A very welcome package from Dart Castings yesterday and progress again on the Grain Van. This was awaiting RCH axleboxes and heavy (9 leaf) springs. With those in place, brake gear and hopper operating gubbins could go on and into primer it goes. One or two dodgy rivets to sort out when it comes back, but tomorrow it will be winging its way to Huntingdon for Sprat and Winkles.






Comment posted by 31A on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:21 pm


Coming along nicely, Jonathan. What a complicated looking beast icon_exclaim.gif


Comment posted by Atso on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:02 pm


Just one word - fantanstic! More more more icon_clap.gif


Comment posted by rob2 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:25 pm


Super individual job Jon,I'm familiar with these from Tatlow,it looks well worth the effort! icon_thumbsup2.gif



Comment posted by mlgilbert30 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:10 am


Great stuff Jon. That really is a nice piece of detailing/conversion work.





??? posted on Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:11 pm


Been a bit quiet on the workbench for a few weeks - I've been earning brownie points on the DIY front. The odd project has moved on, though, so this is where we are.


The grain vans are now ready for weathering, once the paint has cured for a week or two. I nearly went cross eyed as usual putting the HMRS BR transfers on - I gather from recent conversations that I'm not the only one. Thank heavens for weathering and the three foot rule. You'd be sacked for this kind of thing at 12" to the foot. Further note to self - apply lettering before putting the handrails on. I've built enough of these - you'd think I'd remember.






Thurston goes out again next month - to Thurston, in fact, where we've been invited to appear at the village show. Hopefully we'll attract a bit of interest from the locals. In preparation I had a small finishing off job to do on this WD. My thanks to Max Stafford for the top feed, now fitted and blended in.






It's been shown before on here but these 247 Developments fire iron holders do make quite a difference to the otherwise quite sparse tender on these machines.




Finally and also with a view to the end of September, I've been moving the new GE coaches along steadily. I'm now just awaiting a parcel from Eileen's Emporium and stepboards and undergubbins will then be applied. For once, I have completed the interiors and painted the passengers before finishing the coaches.






Comment posted by micklner on Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:18 pm




Nice Austerity , are you painting the coach roof another colour?





??? posted on Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:22 pm


That's just the Halfords primer, Mick. They'll be a variation on LNER brown when done, with whatever dark grey muck I mix up for the roofs.


Comment posted by micklner on Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:26 pm




Ah !!!! I see , not used to seeing roofs attached prior to painting , do you find it easier that way ? I would have thought it would be a pain to glaze etc??






Comment posted by robpulham on Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:17 pm


The GE's are looking good Jonathan. Did you make your own chassis/roof (I am right in that you only got sides for these?)?



??? posted on Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:18 pm








do you find it easier that way ?

I do - with the brass roof, I make a 5 sided box. There's a strip at each end with two captive nuts and I bolt up through the floor as per Danny Pinnock. Allen Doherty supplies the floors with fold up pieces at each side so they slot inside the body. He also etches a hole at each end in the centre, but I use that for the Bill Bedford coupling, so I have to make my own for securing. Eileen's Emporium do very short (1/4") 10BA screws which is what I use to fasten the two together.


It's just my own preference - Coachmann (who knows a bit about painting coaches, let's face it) says he prefers the roof to detach, but I think it's easier to conceal a solebar join than a roof one.


It only works for brass coaches so far - the Kirk ones I did last year were built with the roofs off and then they were added last of all. They were not detachable, however. I did some Bachmann Thompsons for a friend and they have to be done with the body as one piece, so for those I just made the floor an interference fit and spotted some mek-pak onto it once the thing was complete so it didn't fall apart in his hands.



??? posted on Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:22 pm




This is pretty much what you get:




Not illustrated is the floorpan/solebar etch, which is quite simple. The roofs I have rolled by Dave Smith, not having a set of rollers myself. He turns them round very quickly and gives you plenty of spare.


Comment posted by robpulham on Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:45 pm


Cheers Jonathan, I may venture down that route (christmas coming and all that) They look good and just a bit different. I managed to line the kirk coaches OK after wiping it off on a couple until I got the paint flowing and the hang of what I was doing. I will post some pics later in the week.



??? posted on Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:42 am


Some more progress on the coaches - I've just realised that I had my dates mixed up and i have a week less to finish them than I thought. Anyway, underframes now complete and here they are lined up with one of the first pair to check buffer heights, coupling and so forth. I've not put the vents hoods over the doors on the BTK and I see there's a battery box cockeyed as well.






Another project already lined up once these are done - a David Geen NE Insulated van from Pilmoor which disintegrated at speed a few weekends ago. It had been built with glue - epoxy, I think - which had gone brittle and eventually gave way. A Nitromors bath completed the process and it's cleaned up quite well. Whoever built it had been quite sparing with the glue, which may ultimately have contributed to it's demise. An evening with the soldering iron should make it fit for duty again.





??? posted on Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:38 pm


The GE stock is in the paintshop, so while it was drying I spent an hour or so on the van. It's really quite nice to just have to build a kit, someone else having done the cleaning up and fettling (without having butchered anything). I don't think the undergubbins layout is quite right, but painted black and at speed, it'll do. The rather jaunty angle those buffers seem to have adopted will have to go, too.






??? posted on Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:19 am


Only one more weekend before Thurston goes out again and things aren't moving quite as quickly as I'd have liked... I painted the GE coaches and varnished them, but had a bit of a scare on Sunday morning when they came out in a whitish bloom. There have been threads about that before on here - I can only assume they were slightly cold/damp from the workshop when I applied the varnish. Fortunately a couple of hours in the airing cupboard and a few more light coats of varnish seem to have removed the effect. The roof and ends still show it, but I can paint over them through the week.




The rather laborious task of glazing has now commenced; here's the CK posed on its bogies with the first set of windows in place.




In between the panic over having to strip and repaint those, the van has moved smoothly on to completion and curing before I get the weathering gear out.




I was wrong about this - it's a 51L, not David Geen. While I'm on, a thank you to that top man Andrew Hartshorne who let me have a replacement buffer shank for those GE coaches after one fell off and vanished into oblivion last week.


Comment posted by rob2 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:08 pm


Super coaches Jon,don't envy you the pressure you're working under!Varnish is a b*&%??????‚??r though,especially with damp in the air-I've waited 2 months for a 12" to the foot floor to cure fully!

Remember the time when Humbrol matt varnish could unexpectedly react with matt black and produce a powdery white effect?Bizarre!

Looking great though,quite an ellegant design,I'm not that familiar with GER coaches.




??? posted on Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:13 am


Cheers, Rob. I've found out quite a lot about these since I started them - I only had Nick Campling's book and a lot of photos when I built the first two. The GE Society and John Watling in particular have been very helpful with information and Adrian (BJ) is a mine of useful facts and photos. It does help that the Ely club have a subscription to the GE Journal so I've been able to obtain articles from that. The GE Society also publish both lists of drawings held at the NRM and lists of published drawings of both stock and buildings/lineside features (not limited to the GE, either). It was through that that I came across the article in MRC for April 1963 which has been the most useful source of all. There's still a deal of room for conjecture - diagrams varied between builds and the Composite Allen has drawn is not the same as either Campling's book or the MRC drawing. Educated guesswork becomes your last resort.


For the BG I still have to start, I'm awaiting the GA from the NRM archive. It seems to have had vertical bars not unlike fencing all the way along the inside of the windows on the corridor side. Not something I've seen before. So far I've only tracked down one picture of one, though, so I have no real feel for how common it might have been.


Varnish - pah! I usually leave stuff in the airing cupboard overnight to cure and I often put the spray cans in there as well as my loft isn't very well insulated. On this occasion I forgot so I'll have to be more careful. Once this can is empty I may go back to thinned Ronseal - I never had any problem with that. Unless they've started to import Dullcote again.


How do you find out that as 12"/ft floor isn't cured, BTW? By getting stuck to it?


Comment posted by rob2 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:06 pm


Re the varnish on the floor-it was touch dry Jon,fine as long as I kept moving icon_wave.gif but as soon as I stood still to admire my handiwork,I stuck icon_mutter.gif .Since then I've used only Translac,which is a Ronseal product too,but has that traditional smell (Tung Oil I think)and much less of the powerful solvent of the usual Ronseal!I used that on the baseboards and floor of the attic and it was habitable very quickly.

One reason I enquire re the coaches is that the GER is the constituent I am least up on and have the fewest resources for but I really like the panalling on their coaches,very handsome vehicles-I have one or two D&S put by!I will be interested to see what the Bill's BG looks like too.




??? posted on Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:02 pm


The WB was on its travels again this week, with a whole week away in hotels then a weekend with Thurston going back to its roots.


Exhibition photos first...


GE rake almost complete - I just need to start the BG which is hanging around the edge of my WB. I'd have liked to weather these now I can do them as a set, but I was as sick as a dog the weekend before the show so those plans went out of the window.






The grain vans also stuck out a bit, but ran OK (which is probably more important).




The WD did look the part. I've now been entrusted with a 'Britannia' to 'lightly' weather, which is going to be a severe test of my self-control.




Through the week I dug into a few plastic kits I had in the stack.


Parkside LNE fitted van back dated to an unfitted diagram. The centre bar is shaved off the door, lamp irons removed (although some were fitted with them), body fixing brackets added and brake gear discarded.




Stelfox GE open, built as supplied. These had the very distinctive double strapping on the sides. Kit showed its age, but it's quite crisply moulded nonetheless.




Roger Chivers 6 wheel fish van. Have I missed all of these on people's WBs? I don't recall seeing one yet. If anyone can point me to a drawing of the brake linkage I'd be grateful. Just an approximation will do. I haven't decided what to do for the centre wheels yet - IIRC there was a thread with a number of possible approaches, so I'll have a browse at some point. Quality kit, as you'd expect.




Finally a pair of Slaters MR vans - outside framed vehicles add character and age to a train, I think. These are easy kits to build though I'm less qualified to comment on their accuracy.





Comment posted by mozzer models on Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:45 pm




Look in the Blue Historic Carrage book for info on the 6 wheel fish van



??? posted on Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:06 am


Cheers, Brian. I'd forgotten it was in there. That'll be enough for what I need.



??? posted on Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:45 am


I hadn't realised how long it is since I posted... the workbench isn't even on Page 1 of my own posts! Anyway there has been sporadic activity in between outbreaks of work and some more inconvenient travelling.


Parkside van and GE open are now well on the way. The brake gear on the van is a mix of ABS and some very handy etched levers/V hangers/etc from 51L which I hadn't seen before. The open makes a nice variation from the run of the mill 7 planker. Shame it isn't still available.







These Slaters MR vans have gone together more or less as intended.







Parkside LMS 3 plank, unfitted version and the Chivers fish van, part lettered. Suitable bent bits of wire have been added to represent the brake rigging and I'm pleased to say the wobbly centre axle has been successful.







Finally, for a trip to Aberdeen recently it seemed appropriate to take a pair of Ian Kirk kits, one an NB van. Both a bit of a s*d to build - two part floors, which I replaced, no interior detail in the Boplate and quite poorly fitting corners. The van ended up with a depression on each side which I had to fill with a strip of Evergreen to bring it back to level. The Boplate has had beefed up trussing, new brake levers (51L etch again) and door springs added. They're very prominent and aren't even mentioned in the instructions. Mine need cutting down a bit. I used a pack from Masokits, soldering a pin into each one and attaching it via a hole in the solebar. They get bent very easily when you're handling the vehicle.







Dodgy paint finish is down to enamel paint over an acrylic primer, I think. Shan't do that again. The rivets on the solebar of the Boplate are from the Archer models resin transfer pack. Very good and probably an essential part of the modelling kit from now on.


Comment posted by micklner on Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:34 am


Excellent work icon_clap.gificon_clap.gif


What is wrong with paint finish? I always use enamel over acrylic without any problems.





??? posted on Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:58 am


Thanks, Mick. The paint, basically, didn't cover. You can see through it on the NB van, especially the doors. I had to give the LMS 3 plank three coats to get the colour solid. I stir all my paint with a wire stirrer in a Dremel, too, so it's not as if the paint was thin. I'll get down to Halfords and pick up some grey primer next time I'm passing.


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Comment posted by rob2 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:21 pm


Jon-lovely batch of wagons,the GE in particular is that little bit different.I agree its a pity some of these old kits aren't still available. Nu-Cast,later ABS, did something similar to the NB van,plastic body and whitemetal running gear.I just overhauled and re-wheeled mine last week and it looks very similar.




??? posted on Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:24 am


Cheers, Rob. I've almost exhausted my stock of plastic kits - I'm going to have to start carting the soldering iron around with me soon.




Nu-Cast,later ABS, did something similar to the NB van

I didn't know that. It's funny how you come across these old kits - I was shown a Roger Chivers etched GC fish van the other day which I'd never seen before.


I think a Fish train is on the drawing board for Pilmoor this winter so some of it may appear here.



??? posted on Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:13 pm


Bit of a finishing off and tidying up night tonight. This GC van had lost the end off the brake lever. The useful etch from 51L came into play here.




Then there was a Chivers loco coal wagon which has been under way since March. The kit was missing a solebar when I started it. Roger has never got around to sending me another and has much more on his plate than worrying about that at the moment. So I bit the bullet and scratchbuilt it. Plastruct channel, odd scraps of plastikard, Archer rivet transfers (I'm rapidly wondering what I ever did without them) and there it almost was.




The other solebar was in place with bearings, so for this side I chopped an MJT (or Comet - not sure) unit in half and fixed into place using the Brassmasters jig to get it all square. In fact, their 12' wheelbase and Roger's differed very slightly so once it was all but set I removed the jig and slid the W irons a fraction closer together. This should give you a better idea:




Once that was fairly solid I added MJT RCH axleboxes with plastikard backing plates and I've since found some spare Parkside brake gear. It's a lot less solid (and detailed) than Roger's, but you can't see both sides at once. Buffers and end grab rails and it's well on the way.





Comment posted by Waveydavey on Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:51 pm


jwealleans wrote:

Archer rivet transfers (I'm rapidly wondering what I ever did without them)

Hi Jon


Where do you get them from, they look like they could be very handy?







??? posted on Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:00 pm


I think the cheapest way may be from Archer themselves - http://www.archertransfers.com/.


I bought mine from Historex http://www.historexagents.com/shop/hxshop.php - may have been dearer but they came within 24 hours.


Comment posted by Waveydavey on Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:27 am


Thanks Jon, I've ordered a set from Historex







??? posted on Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:02 pm


Well, it's a pretty catastrophic few weeks when your workbench drops to page 3 of your own posts. Still, a holiday looms and I'm gagging to get into some ferry vans. However I have forced myself to finish some other projects first. This evening has seen some fiddling about with brake gear on these tankers which will run on Pilmoor at Ormesby Hall.






The bogie chassis is for a Bill Bedford GE 50' full brake which has been fluttering its panelling at me whenever I've been in the attic for months and will be the next job up. I also have some stock to weather and a loco which arrived courtesy of Mr Rippers of this parish to fettle and letter up. So hopefully a normal service will be resuming shortly.


Comment posted by robpulham on Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:36 pm


Nice to see something back on your bench Jonathan. Are you leaving them in GWR livery or converting them to LNER? I have just completed (needs paint job finishing) a GWR fish truck that I intend running with a couple of Highland railway fish trucks (Lochgorm)and probably some Parkside/Chivers fish vans into a fish train at some point in the future.



??? posted on Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:25 am


Cheers, Rob. They're to LNE diagram 184, so they'll go into the same (incorrect) livery I used for the first one until such time as I can determine what colours they ought to be. I've asked all over the shop but no-one seems to be able to tell me. Next stop, I think, is the LNER Study Group. The GWR version I used as a basis is simply the cheapest one I found: given the amount of work you need to do there's no advantage I've found in using any of the other variants.


We're looking at putting together a fish train for Pilmoor over the winter so stay tuned.... I expect I may be building at least some of it.


Last night saw the brake gear completed on the other chassis and then another long-term idea started - converting the Parkside LNER cattle wagon into a GNR version. Apart from the doors there's not a great deal of difference, so out they came last night.




The replacements are just a planked drop door up to about side height so I'll have a crack at those perhaps later today.


Comment posted by 31A on Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:11 pm


That's very ingenious Jonathan - the similarity had never occurred to me before but looking at the pictures in Tatlow again it does appear to be the case! I take it some rebuilding of the underframe will also be involved - I think the Parkside kit is 9' 0" WB whereas the GN wagons were 10' ? Also the GN ones seem to have a single brake shoe each side, rather than Morton. You're a brave man to cut the doors away like that - the sides must be quite flimsy at this stage.


Comment posted by robpulham on Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:41 pm


If any information in it is of any help to you., I picked up and received today a "Great Nrothern Railway illustrations of wagons book off ebay. There are 9 pictures of cattle wagons in it of various denominations but more importantly gives a lot of dimensions including the doorway width for each wagon. It seems to have been created from photocopies of photos added to typed text (it looks like someones homemade version the pictures are not the best quality but the dimensions should be usefull.

I picked up another SEF gas tank wagon and ordered a spare tank from Finecast with a view to making a three tank version like the picture in tatlow. This book has a couple of veiws of the three tank version plus relevant dimensions



??? posted on Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:40 am


Hi chaps,


You're right about the wheelbase Steve - fortunately it only seems to be rivet detail on the solebars and armed with my Archer transfers, that's no problem. In fact the whole thing needs shortening as the LNER made the doors much wider. I expect that's why they went to three doors - a single drop door that wide would have been too heavy. The Parkside sides are too short to make the 19' version (and are in fact about a scale 6" too short for the shorter one) but if I make the door slightly over width hopefully the discrepancy won't be too conspicuous. It does mean making up the extra end posts to match the Parkside ones which I'd have preferred to avoid but the sides are just too short to make the later version.


Rob - any photos and measurements are welcome. Sounds like an interesting buy. I believe the GNR Soc did a wagon book (I think it was Steve who mentioned it) but much as I'd like to I just can't justify joining any more societies so I'll have to struggle on with Tatlow and what I can find from old Railway Modellers.


Comment posted by robpulham on Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:14 pm


After having had half an hour last night looking through it, it seems that it is and official publication by the GNRSA. It has been copied/put into a4 format from an original produced by the Great northern and issued to GN goods depotsin 1906. The original had half tone photos which this edition contains scans of photographs of the originals - if that makes sense. So the picture quality isn't great but the dimensions are very clear. I will PM you some copies of the cattle wagon pages once I have got them electronically


Comment posted by timlewis on Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:48 pm


There's some useful info on GNR and LNER cattle wagons using the Parkside kit in an article by Steve Banks in MRJ87. I seem to remember a letter a few issues later pointing out some minor error, but whenever I've looked for it recently I can't find it: sorry! I thought the GNR ones were 9ft wheelbase?, but I don't have LNER wagons Vol.1 to hand at present.


Comment posted by 31A on Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:37 pm





After having had half an hour last night looking through it, it seems that it is and official publication by the GNRSA.

It does indeed sound like the reprint issued a few years ago by Great Northern Society of the official GNR publication "Illustrations of Wagon Stock".



The Parkside sides are too short to make the 19' version (and are in fact about a scale 6" too short for the shorter one) but if I make the door slightly over width hopefully the discrepancy won't be too conspicuous.

That's surprising as the LNER vans were 19' 0" over headstocks, same as the longer GN design! I've made a couple of the Parkside kits, but never measured them to see whether they were too short!



In fact the whole thing needs shortening as the LNER made the doors much wider.

The GNR book Rob refers to gives the dimensions of the doors as 4' 0" wide, whereas the LNER vans had doors 5' 0" wide.



It does mean making up the extra end posts to match the Parkside ones which I'd have preferred to avoid but the sides are just too short to make the later version.

I wondered about that too, and think having to do that would put me off somewhat, but one of the GN vans illustrated in Tatlow (Plate 256 in my original edition) only has two stanchions on each end, like the LNER ones, and they seem to be the same distance apart as on the LNER vans. It's No. 417825, 19' 0" long, 10' 0" wheelbase with single brake shoes each side and a vacuum through pipe.



??? posted on Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:43 am


Tim - I didn't know about that article and will keep an eye open for it. According to Tatlow all the GNR cattle vans he deals with were 10' wheelbase but it's as well to check other sources.


I haven't expressed myself very well in explaining the differences between the prototype and the kit; the part of the Parkside sides which I'm retaining is too short for the later GNR version. I forget how much it scales out as but it was too much of a difference to live with. You really ought to scratchbuild the whole side if you're going that route. As it is I'll try making the door about 1mm over width which will leave the whole thing about 1mm under length. I haven't measured it but I'm sure the Parkside kit must be about right.


I intend to try to get on with it today - if there aren't too many Transformers to repair and Ninja Turtle Towers to try to reassemble - so I'll note down some measurements and try to take an informative photo later.


Incidentally, Steve, to go back you a point you made which I missed, the sides are surprisingly rigid when cutting. I left the sprue around them in case I did weaken them fatally but didn't have a problem. We'll see how they fare once I've made the door as I will have to cut them in half to shorten them. I also meant to point out this thread on the LNER forum about converting Parkside kits. The idea for shortening the fish vans is especially good and I wish I'd thought of it.


Comment posted by 31A on Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:05 pm


Ah, so do you mean you're shortening the sides by taking about 4mm out of the doorways, to make the door 4' 0" wide, which will leave the sides about the right length for the 18' 2" long GN vans? Again, most ingenious - looking forward to seeing how you get on! icon_thumbsup2.gif



??? posted on Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:34 pm


Progress this afternoon - doors in, ends doctored and body erected. I meant to make the door slightly overwidth to reduce the discrepancy in overall length, but forgot. In the end it's turned out about 3mm shorter than the standard LNER one which is about right. Not really sure how that happened.


I did away with the solebars and replaced with Evergreen 157 - it's all surface detail anyway so there's no real advantage in keeping them. I'd also forgotten that the end posts on this model are separate, so I could apply all 4 Parkside ones to one end. That way there won't be such a horrible mismatch between mine and theirs.






Rivet details still to apply and the end posts, etc for the other end to make. I've gone off onto the BG while it all dries.


Here it is with two LNER ones to show the difference. I've been pondering livery - this van is unfitted but through piped. All the books I've checked are silent on this combination and I'm struggling to remember - grey with the vacuum upstands in red?





Comment posted by 2512silverfox on Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:36 pm


Livery would be red oxide with pipes in red.



??? posted on Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:55 pm


Why thank you kindly, Silverfox. You've saved me a lot of trawling back through the Yahoo group archive.


Today I have mainly been building my Bill Bedford passenger brake van, the last of the Great Eastern 50' rake I started last year. This has gone together pretty well and is looking good so far. In contrast with the Worsley Works etches I used for the others, this is a body kit rather than a scratchbuilding aid and so has more detail parts (including the whole interior partition, which I didn't expect). The brass is thinner, though and there were one or two ragged edges where it had over etched. Because of Bill's method of producing hinges as projections on a vertical piece which you solder to the back of the body there's no problem with body strength. I build mine as a five sided box anyway with a brass roof soldered on.








Comment posted by robpulham on Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:14 pm


It looks like a good kit jonathan. I have got well on with my Bill Bedford cask wagon and although it didn't come with instructions it is very intuative and I am confident I have worked out what goes where. The only things that are missing are buffers and axleboxes.



??? posted on Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:19 pm


It is, Rob and it's noticeable that I've got here a great deal quicker than with the others because so much more was provided on the etch. I'm looking forward to the other GE coach I have on order from him.


Today I added final details (handrails, battery box, dynamo and the blanks where the gas lamps used to be) and it's now ready for primer tomorrow.




I've added details to one side of the cattle wagon (I see about half a dozen of the rivets have fallen off) and I'll do the rest tomorrow. You can only stick so many rivets in a session. Buffers pinched from an ABS kit. I need to order axleboxes/springs (ABS, probably) and the single shoe brake gear (Wizard Models - I thought I had an etch but I must have used it on something). I also need some 60 thou square strip to make up the end posts for the other end, so this will probably go on hold for a few days now.





Comment posted by timlewis on Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:06 pm


Looking good all round, but I love the safety chains icon_clap.gif Are they just twisted wire?


GE Brake looks nice too: slightly odd vehicle, with corridor one side. You would think that would waste a lot of luggage/parcels space, but I presume they were designed to potentially go in the middle of passenger trains, and they didn't want passengers wandering amongst the luggage?


Comment posted by gr.king on Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:08 am


I like the cattle truck conversion Jonathan. I believe the "photocopy quality" GNR wagons book mentioned by Rob is probably the GNR Society's re-publication from a few years ago of the "Illustrations of Wagon Stock" book originally produced for the guidance of GN goods staff - including one or two unintended repetitions of pictures owing to the original having been kept up to date by somebody (or several different people?) pasting-in new pictures in what were thought to be the relevant positions, and presumably removing those no longer relevant. Dates are lacking. Much, much, much better pictures (and dates I think) of most of the wagons, and maybe of some not seen in the Wagons book, are to be found in "GN in focus" (I think that's the title) by John Crawley.

I look forward to the fish train too. I made one a few years ago, unrealistically short of course. The real things were notorious for halting all road traffic here in Grimsby for ages as they were slowly dragged out of town across the various level crossings......

My fish train includes a couple of vehicles for which kits at the time were unavailable. Dan Pinnock hadn't got around to producing his later type GN slatted fish van so I rebuilt the top half of his whitemetal GN goods van kit and made new doors. Of course you can't get Dan's kits now either, but I think there's a Falcon brass kits of sorts for this van. I also turned the Parkside late 30s type LNER standard LWB fish van into the earlier "second standard type" inside framed 10" wheelbase version by taking planks out of the sides and shortening the U/F and brake levers. A friend of mine says it is daft to do it that way, claiming that it is easier and more sensible to change the doors on a standard goods van of the right length. I disagree as the fish vans I believe are a different height and have different corner strapping amongst other things. Far easier in my view to just cut out a few plain planks than to start altering all sorts of fiddly details.



??? posted on Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:42 pm


Thanks, chaps. Tim - the chains are a strand of brass picture hanging wire, twisted and stuck in a half mil hole. If you can find multistrand copper wire the strands are finer but I had the brass to hand.


The BG - I expect it was to keep passengers away from parcels (livestock?) and anything valuable. The drawing I obtained from the NRM turned out to be a non-corridor version so at least some of them were built to use all the available space. It makes an unusual and (I think) attractive vehicle anyway.


Graeme - I had a look for that book on bookfinder and it came up at £30!! I hope it's an enormous coffee table crusher at that price. Is John Crawley any relation to Malcolm? The title is The Great Northern Railway in Focus for anyone interested, ISBN 978-1899597116. I may see whether the local library can find it before I splash out.


I think you're right about the fish vans but I'd have to check drawings. Geoff Kent talks about them in the first volume of his Wild Swan opus. I do intend to cut and shut one or two in just the way you've described. I also have one of the Falcon Brass kits which I may get round to building. There are also the ABS outside framed ones, the 51L ex-North Eastern one and the Parkside one built as intended. I did manage to get hold of the last two kits for the GC bogie vans which Robin Peover had and one of those may make an appearance. I don't think we'll have the siding space for more than 10 or so vans, but as they haven't actually built the siding yet I don't really know.


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Comment posted by gr.king on Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:19 pm


Maybe the Falcon range also includes a version of the long GC van that was used in LNER fish traffic. D & S used to to do a nicer etched version, and of course they did a cast GC standard length fish van of the later type too, if you can find an unbuilt example of either kit that would help you a bit. I believe I've heard that there may be dimensional error issues with the bogie fish van kit. I've never built one so cannot confirm.

Wasn't the Chivers kit for one of the earlier GC clerestory roof fish vans? Did a version of this, or the similar GN type, ever appear in the D & S range - I think I saw one in their list but did the kit ever appear?

Can you cobble together a decent model of the early LNER very long WB outside framed fish van with two separate doorways per side? I think that would be an attractive model and I'd be tempted to follow your method if you can find a good one (but I fear that few or none of the sections of the body can actually be derived from parts of kits for other fish vans icon_sad.gif )


I'm not sure John Crawley's book was as much as £30 icon_eek.gif when I got my copy. I regret that I haven't the faintest idea of whether he is related to ex-plant man Malcolm, but the matching interests and surnames are a real coincidence. Could there also be any link to Chris Crawley, whose name I remember in connection with a 1980s model shop (at Irby in the Marsh, Lincs???) and with one of the previous incarnations of Nu-Cast.



??? posted on Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:25 am








the Falcon range also includes a version of the long GC van

It does and I have one. I'd forgotten that. I also have a couple of the D & S standard ones you mention. The Long wheelbase van is a candidate for a scratchbuild once I've got through my current ferry van fixation. I'm not sure there's anything you can derive that from except perhaps using the ABS ends from the shorter version.


The Chivers one wasn't a clerestory vehicle - one of the other members at Ormesby brought one in. I'd never seen one before but it was a lovely looking thing. It's a shame we haven't been able to persuade Roger to reissue some of his etched kits. The clerestory GN van did appear from D & S as I've seen them on a layout - don't recall which one, may have been Sutterton. Falcon do do an earlier GN van which is too early for Pilmoor but may just get in there on the grounds of looking nice as well.


The Crawley book may just be a question of timing. It's a new phenomenon on me, but I gather that some booksellers will advertise a book at a hugely inflated price, usually in the US, say, then if someone orders quote 6 weeks delivery, giving them time to source the book at a realistic price elsewhere then sell it straight on at their inflated price. Hence some of the ??????‚??10-15 Bradford Barton stock books I've bought being advertised in the US for ??????‚??60 and above. I'll just keep an eye out and thanks for the lead.


Comment posted by gr.king on Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:12 am


As I was working from memory yesterday I thought I'd better get my J Crawley book out and check. The printed price was actually ??????‚??25, so maybe ??????‚??30 today isn't simply a book speculators rip-off. It doesn't contain quite so many wagon photos as I thought, but does still cover most types seen in "Illustrations of Wagon Stock".

There are three fish types: Open truck dual fitted for for a fish box/tank, for Hull traffic, allegedly new in 1908, a clerestory 5 tonner vac fitted with louvred tops to the sides and Mansell wheels from the turn of the century, and the 6 tonner vac fitted with slatted upper sides, split sliding doors and split-spoked wheels from 1921.

There's only one of the cattle trucks in there, a 6 tonner through piped No 10798 from 1900 which looks rather short and upright.


The book really does contain some lovely stuff besides the wagons. Ex-works shots of many GN loco types, and some under construction in the works, various shots of stations etc, details of the Grantham crash, good a.postimg.ccount of Doncaster works including plans and pictures, road vehicles, line drawings of some locos, full 1912 loco allocation, large fully dimensioned drawings of GN loco chimney profiles for the pedantic modeller. It might be worth ??????‚??30 if you make full use of it.



??? posted on Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:18 pm


Bit of a posting hiatus while I wait to build up an order for Major Clanger. I've been doing a bit of weathering which will appear in due course... In the meantime I've finally made a start on a ferry van, which I've been researching for a few months now. It's the first scratchbuild I've had a go at and so I thought a prototype was in order. This is the good side, but it has been a very worthwhile exercise and put me right on a few things.








It's one of the ex-ROD 20 ton vans purchased by the Belgian company which operated the ferry traffic after the war. Once I've corrected some of the dimensional errors I've made when scaling it off a drawing I'll have another bash at it.



??? posted on Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:15 am


Bit of variety last night - first club night of the year and so the chance to test run a few things. This is the Hornby 'Britannia', weathered for use on Thurston. I don't really do light weathering, so I went for a 'cleaned up from really filthy' look.






It was also the first chance to get the BG out with the rest of the rake and run them as a set. What does show is that the Bill Bedford one is a couple of mil higher than the rest - his end profile is more domed than the Worsley Works one. Once it's lost that attractive yellow it won't show so much, and in a mixed rake I don't think it'll be visible at all.







??? posted on Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:59 pm


Just for Steve (31A), a quick glimpse of another ferry van build. This one is an Italian Hgb from 1931, a much simpler looking prototype than the ROD one. The bizarre colour is what happened when I attempted to turn up the contrast so you can see that there is some detail on the sides. The nearest corner awaits rounding when the mekpak has set.




This is one of the prototype vehicles: http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442979&wwwflag=2&imagepos=58


On the off chance he reads this I'd also like to publicly thank Tim Hills for all the trouble he's taken to send me through drawings and photographs of this and similar Greek vehicles. I hope this will be the first of many (well, several) fruits of his efforts.


Edit - add link to prototype photo.


Comment posted by 31A on Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:21 pm


Thanks Jonathan - very interesting icon_thumbsup2.gif Did you have to scribe all those plank lines yourself, or did you find some embossed material that was suitable icon_question.gif



??? posted on Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:25 pm


Did you have to scribe all those plank lines yourself

Not on your life, matey, I'm far too idle for that. Evergreen 2037, Freight Car Siding. God Bless America!


Comment posted by robpulham on Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:32 pm


jwealleans wrote:

Did you have to scribe all those plank lines yourself

Not on your life, matey, I'm far too idle for that. Evergreen 2037, Freight Car Siding. God Bless America!


Hi Jonathan these are looking excellent. I rather fancy having a go at some scratch builds myself after seeing some of the efforts you and others on here are making. I picked up a Roche wagon drawings book with some likely candidates in. Do you have a source for the evergreen freight car siding - my local model shop stocks evergreen but I haven't seen that particular item.



??? posted on Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:49 am


Hi Rob,


I picked mine up at Darlington from Pat Ryan but he does do mail order as well - http://www.modelexmodelrailways.co.uk/.


Otherwise there are plenty of people who do it on the net. I'm sure your shop could order it in for you - I intend giving Redcar Models a try when I need some more.


Did you have a specific prototype in mind? I rather fancy the LWB LNER fish van.


Comment posted by robpulham on Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:24 pm


You must be a mind reader that's just what I had in mind. There is a 4mm drawing of it in the Roche book I mentioned. But like you I didn't fancy scoring all those lines.



??? posted on Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:47 am


Well, I've been fiddling with plastikard in the mornings and have managed to get what I feel is somewhere. This is almost ready for me to tackle the incredibly complicated underbits. Fortunately I have a diagram. I've had to wrench the contrast almost off the scale to get the white on white detail to show:




I'm quite pleased with myself - the only fly in the ointment so far is that in one or two places the Evergreen cladding has started to pull into the holes I drilled through the 40 thou shell in order to drop mekpak onto the back and help it bond. It hasn't done it everywhere - perhaps I've used too much mek on those points.


Next to it is the GN cattle van which has now acquired end posts. These were done as recommended by John Hayes - 60 thou square plastikard, cemented in place and then all filed down together to produce the taper.




Rob - there are a few vehicles I have fancied building for a long time - the NBR bogie .postimg.ccT in Vol 3 of Historic Carriage Drawings seems eminently doable, as does the long GC open in Tatlow. The GE continental open also looks good to me. Once you start, I expect you can never quite stop....


Comment posted by mozzer models on Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:38 am


looking nice when do you have to have them finished for


Comment posted by robpulham on Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:57 am


There is a guy doing allsorts of different thickness plasticard on ebay (usually listed under finescale).I have been slowly building stock up for the time when I have a go. just need to get some stock of variuos evergreen to suit and I will be away. I usually work on plastic stuff when I am up in Brotton as the house is quite small and solder fumes get to the wife.


I have misunderstood when you talked about the long wheel base fish van, the one I was thinking of is the ex GCR bogie fish van.



??? posted on Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:44 am


Hi Rob,


Redcar Models keeps a stock of Plastikard and he does do some Evergreen (and will order it for you). Mainly Trains still stock Slaters as well.


Wizard Models do a very useful - and increasing - range of bits and bobs - brake levers, buffers, etc. The Mainly Trains LNER brake gear is a godsend. ABS stopping internet ordering is a real nuisance - I'm waiting for a catalogue from him. Dart Castings are also handy for springs, axleboxes, etc. I'm getting to the stage where I'm going to have to look for axleboxes and buffers and it isn't proving easy.


The GC fish van was available as a kit - they come up on Ebay - presently out of production due to Robin Peover being ill. The 15' rigid one, as Graeme observed earlier, is available from Falcon Brass. The LNER LWB one as you've probably read up by now, is a stretched version of the standard O/F one which ABS do.


Brian - I'm trying to get at least some of these done for Kidderminster which is our next time out with Thurston. The chap who sent me through all the info on the Italian and Greek vans says he may be there so I'd like to be able to show him one or two.



??? posted on Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:03 pm


I spent a leisurely afternoon with some bits and bobs and the rivet transfers getting these moved on a little. Primed as well, mainly to hold the rivets in place as I've noticed they disappeared from the cattle wagon at an alarming rate. We're now stuck for buffers - ABS for the GN van (as well as springs and axleboxes) and UIC ones for the ferry van. At least in primer you can see some of that detail I strained my eyes trying to drag out of photographs. Brake gear from 51L bits and a great deal of imagination. I have a diagram but frankly it looks like random components from the Me.postimg.ccano catalogue just heaped up and shaken.






The camera is very cruel to the cattle truck - my strapping could have been much neater. The end posts don't look so bad, though.






This was knocked up last night straight out of the box just to bulk up the ferry rake a little - Ratio. If anyone who knows anything about Southern vans has suggestions for improvement I'm listening. The door mechanism looks a bit underfed and may have to be replaced. I do draw the line at reprofiling the roof, though - surrounded by all these peaked Italians, it'll look fine.





??? posted on Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:06 pm


At last an update on the ferry van project. I have been quite busy working and travelling, so these haven't moved on as quickly as I might have liked. I have also been building another 5 to go with the one shown above, which has slowed overall progress down as I've done a bit to each one in turn. Plus the one I started to build from the wrong drawing... anyway, it's all useful practice.


The original hasn't moved on very far - I've added securing loops and vac upstands and got the roof on, but it's really awaiting the transfers.






Buffers are from Andy Hart of the SNCF Society - guilty as I felt about removing some of the details from what were really nice castings, they do look the part now. The distinctive hole in the centre also had to go (hence the filler you'll see all over them).


I decided to try to get at least one moved on to about the same stage this weekend just to convince myself that I WILL have them done by Kidderminster. This is a very similar van to the first one, post war, with brakeman's hut.






Same buffers, axleboxes are a BR welded plate one from 51L with most of the rear details hacked off, springs left over from the milk tank project and brake gear, etc from (where else) the Mainly Trains LNER etch. This one awaits underframe fittings but I stocked up from Andrew H at Harrogate. She's now ready for a test flight on Monday night.



??? posted on Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:55 pm


This week I have mostly been counting rivets..... but praise the Lord for Archer Transfers. I take my hat off again to Geoff Kent, John Hayes and the others who make their own. I think the end is now in sight. All the vans are now at the stage of needing roofs, transfers and finishing. They've been sprayed to keep the rivets in place - they're a bit prone to falling off.




Two matchboarded ones from just post war. The one on the left has conventional axleboxes and springing (or will, when the springs turn up) while the one on the right has roller bearings and will have the curious double spring arrangement which most of the later builds of these vans had. Roller bearings are from an Andrew Hartshorne casting.




Another matchboarded one, this the one with brake cabin from back upthread.




The next development of the design - smooth sided (my Italian isn't good enough to tell you whether the sides are ply or aluminium). Again, roller bearings and the twin springing.




A variant of the above. I'm not sure when these doors started to be applied as the photo I based this one on is relatively recent. It makes a bit of variety in the rake, though and also makes use of the door of the Dapol kit.




The prototype, now awaiting some detail painting and the transfers. The livery is just great. Red stripes from an HMRS BR coach sheet.




Finally, for anyone who might like to have a go, this is how I did the undergubbins. The W iron units are Comet, wheels are Hornby 12mm disc ones liberated from under a coach somewhere. The V hanger units are also Comet, sold for coaches. Westinghouse cylinder is 51L, as is (I think) the vac cylinder. If it isn't it's Mainly Trains. The brake shoes are also Mainly Trains. The rest of it is wire and imagination. The more I see drawings of the brake gear on these things, the more of a mare's nest it looks to me.


Comment posted by robpulham on Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:05 pm


These are a credit to you Jonathan. I particularly like the smooth sided italian vans.


I managed to find some of the matchboard sheeting in my local model shop (easy when you know what you are looking for) right under my nose all the time. I just need to decide what to do with it. I'm still thinking on the fish van theme.


Comment posted by timlewis on Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:45 pm


Those ferry vans look very nice indeed icon_clap.gif Good to see something a bit different but which is still, in its way, an 'everyday' part of the railway scene (if you see what I mean icon_confused.gif )



??? posted on Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:21 pm


Thank you for your kind words. I had really no idea at all that they were so ubiquitous when I started on this little project, but once you become aware of them they pop up everywhere. I find myself spotting them all over the place - last week in a diesel video Mike Delamar posted a link to. I may have become another brand of anorak.


Anyway, a much-anticipated package arrived today and this is the result:






One down, five to go but these superlative transfers from John Peck have really put the cap on them. I'm absolutely delighted with them. I have some spares if anyone else fancies a go and he, of course, now has those anchors and corner markers in his range should anyone else need them.


It's 'last weekend before a show' time now, with a number of things - including these - up for very rapid finishing tomorrow and Sunday morning.


Comment posted by gr.king on Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:51 pm


Which show is setting the deadline for you Jonathan?


Comment posted by jonhall on Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:41 pm








jwealleans wrote:

One down, five to go but these superlative transfers from John Peck have really put the cap on them. I'm absolutely delighted with them. I have some spares if anyone else fancies a go and he, of course, now has those anchors and corner markers in his range should anyone else need them.

icon_thumbsup2.gif That's really super, I might take you up on those spare transfers - it's a bit early for anything I'm supposed to be modelling, but....


I saw one of these at the Eurotrack show today, it looked much better in the flesh than in this photo

http://www.british-ho.freeserve.co.uk/s ... -van_1.htm





??? posted on Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:21 pm


Graeme - we're at Kidderminster on the 14th/15th. It's one of only two outings we have this year.


Jon - I don't actually know when these went out of service. There is (apparently - I'm waiting for it from the library) a picture of one in Vol 1 of Larkin 'Working Wagons' but whether he gives any history I don't know. I was sent a picture of one which looked in reasonable nick which was taken in the 1990s but there's no guarantee it was actually still in revenue service and it almost certainly wasn't on overseas work. The one you've pictured is the same thing - there is an Italian manufacturer who does etched kits for them in HO. The silver livery was, I believe, a later thing and I don't know whether it was universal.


Good news is that a packet from Dart Castings turned up at exactly the right time and so springs, etc have been fitted to the other vans. Once the paint's dry I can get the transfers onto them and then they can start to cure. They certainly won't be weathered for Kidderminster but as it'll be a first run for some of them I'm not too upset in case any need any reworking.



??? posted on Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:16 pm


Nothing's ever quite finished, but these are now presentable and in a state where they can go onto the layout. Unweathered, they ought to stand out a bit.




Hopefully they give the effect of a mixed rake with a few newer vehicles in among the older matchboarded ones. These two both have roller bearings (51L) and this rather odd looking twin springing system. I've not seen anything else with suspension like that - was it purely an Italian idea?






I had to resist the temptation to build disproportionately more of them with the curious brakeman's hut which the European countries seem to have used up until the 1950s.




Having had a lot of time in hotels recently I also put this together over a couple of evenings. It went together beautifully - almost like a Roger Chivers kit. I had commented to Pennine recently that I thought it was odd no-one on here had built one yet, but there was a very prompt and nicely timed article in MRJ which came this week and helped me with one or two details. Nice to see that the author and I agreed on the excellent Cambridge Custom transfers, other than the number (I used HMRS pressfix) which does rather contrast in colour. Incidentally, why weren't these given a 'W' suffix as well?


The MRJ article commented that he had to fill the corners with 5 thou strip. I agree that there was a bit of a gap - I'd put it down to my ineptitude but perhaps not - but I found that flooding it with Mek and then rounding off gently with a file when hard did the trick. If I'd been brush painting it it would have been no bother to fill it with paint, but this has had Halford's finest BMW Zinnobar Red.




Not a native of East Anglia, but I have photos of them at Huntingdon and King's Lynn so that's good enough for me.

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Comment posted by jonhall on Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:50 am


icon_mrgreen.gif green with envy icon_mrgreen.gif


I must finish my Belgian van.

I must finish my Belgian van.

I must finish my Belgian van.

I must finish my Belgian van.

I must finish my Belgian van.

I must finish my Belgian van.

I must finish my Belgian van.

I must finish my Belgian van.

I must finish my Belgian van.

I must finish..........





??? posted on Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:09 am


Are you building 9 of them, then, Jon?


Comment posted by robpulham on Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:41 am


icon_clap.gificon_clap.gificon_clap.gificon_clap.gificon_clap.gif These leave you speechless!!!!


Is the horse box the GWR parkside one?



??? posted on Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:00 am


Well cheers, Rob. Yes it is - PC79 and so new it isn't even shown as available on their own website (?). Plenty on the stand at Harrogate, though. I have a brass one (Blacksmith) in GWR livery and they make a nice model. Very easy to put together as well.


Nice tender, BTW. I meant to put a comment on there yesterday.


Comment posted by jonhall on Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:14 pm







jwealleans wrote:

Are you building 9 of them, then, Jon?

Well I did threaten to resin cast it, but sadly I didn't design that in from the start, so there are various undercuts that won't work. So now I'm just waiting for a fresh supply of enthusiasm, and round-tuits to arrive.





??? posted on Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:35 pm


Now, if you resin cast them I might well be in for a batch. Depending what prototype you pick, obviously.



??? posted on Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:51 am


Hmmm... three weeks since I posted. Someone needs to do something about having to waste good modelling time working. Anyway, travelling generally means plastic kits and having launched into a number recently I'm making an effort to finish a few off before starting anything else. So, appearing on the workbench tonight....


Ian Kirk non-corridor 4 compartment Gresley BT. This is for a club colleague and so hasn't had the full treatment; other than the battery boxes and some extra brake gear bits it's as it fell out of the packet. I've had it kicking around for ages so it needed to be built. Seats are loose and unpainted (just in there to ensure that they fitted). I'll also have to wait until I see him at York show to put the roof on in case he wants passengers adding.




Next an array of trucks selected at random from the kit pile before departing on my travels; from the top left they are an ex-ROD 7 plank open (Slaters kit with slightly different strapping, extra body securing brackets and replacement buffers and axleboxes). Then a Roger Chivers LMS tube wagon. Not much to say - lovely kit, fell together, built very much as it came. I had a look round on here for other people building them but didn't really find any evidence.


On the bottom row, Coopercraft GWR open - my first kit from them and a bit quirky, but doesn't look bad in the end. I'd like to see a picture of that handbrake assembly if anyone has one - I'm sure there should be more bits associated with it somewhere underneath. Finally a pair of Cambrian kits - a Gloucester 6 1/2 plank and a 15' one plank. These were harder work than the others - the corners took quite a bit of fettling and I had to reposition the solebars several times before the wheelsets fitted correctly - even though I'd taken heed of the instructions and bought Kean Maygibs instead of my usual Hornby. I suppose it's like everything - you get used to the way one kit manufacturer works and if you don't build any for a while you forget the wrinkles. I'm quite happy with them now.




Lastly - and late for the new season - the rest of the milk tanks I started pages (and ages) ago to run on Pilmoor. The two new ones and the original above. Still in an inaccurate livery as I have still got nowhere with identifying the colour scheme of the originals.





??? posted on Wed May 06, 2009 7:13 am


Some updates on what's been ticking over on the WB in the last couple of weeks. One of the milk tankers has stopped as I cut the strapping to the wrong length and didn't have enough to make new ones for both of them. The other has moved on somewhat and is almost ready for final painting.




Kirk coach is also almost complete - just the door and grab handles to add (and the brake rigging to straighten by the look of it). For not much extra work you can really bring these on from the basic kit.




The Roger Chivers LMS tube has finished very nicely. the Coopercraft GW open is less pleasing - the transfers are very poor having silvered badly from the start and now peeling off. I'll dump them and find an HMRS sheet. I'm told the brake gear is wrong as well bit I'm in a position of complete ignorance as far as that goes.




Lastly, these have been taking up most of my time - a pair of German 'Saarbrucken' ferry wagons. These were first built in 1926 by the DR and lasted until the 1960s in traffic. Very long wheelbase and the characteristically Continental brakeman's hut. As well as photos and a very basic diagram I have a Roco HO model of these which I'm assured is very accurate and extremely helpful for those dark or out of focus areas on the pictures I've gathered up. I also have buffers of the correct pattern and a promise of transfers after meeting the German railway Society at Kidderminster Show. I think they'll rather stand out in a row of 12 ton vans.




Comment posted by robpulham on Wed May 06, 2009 10:26 am


Jonathan what have you used for your tank strapping? are they the originals that came with the tanks? I need some for my triple gas tank wagon that's lurking about part assembled. I used brass strip on the last one but the tank barrels on this one are plastic tube not brass.


Comment posted by CHRIS LNER on Wed May 06, 2009 10:41 am


Hello Jonathan

Ive just found this thread, most interesting reading, also I like the ian kirk coach,very smart. what paint do you use?


Comment posted by jonhall on Wed May 06, 2009 11:08 am








jwealleans wrote:


Lastly, these have been taking up most of my time - a pair of German 'Saarbrucken' ferry wagons. These were built during the 1930s by the DR and lasted until the 1960s in traffic. Very long wheelbase and the characteristically Continental brakeman's hut. As well as photos and a very basic diagram I have a Roco HO model of these which I'm assured is very accurate and extremely helpful for those dark or out of focus areas on the pictures I've gathered up. I also have buffers of the correct pattern and a promise of transfers after meeting the German railway Society at Kidderminster Show. I think they'll rather stand out in a row of 12 ton vans.



Have you seen the photo in this book?


I don't think it has a drawing, but there is one of an Hfs van, I think it's available from Midland Counties.


When I asked the GRS about ferry van transfers they couldn't really help, but I did buy or order a sets of Gassner and Kreye standard freight stock lettering to do the bulk of the job.





??? posted on Wed May 06, 2009 11:30 am


Rob - there were no straps on the tanker as bought - it's the cheapest Hornby one I could find. (GW, grey tank). The strapping is .75mm brass strip I bought from Eileen's at York. Mainly Trains do something similar as 'boiler bands'. They're just bent over and superglued into place. They ought to have turnbuckles on them but I've yet to find a practical way to represent them.


Chris - For BR Crimson I use Halfords BMW Zinnobar Red. It's very close to the Precision colour which I then use with a brush to touch up.


Jon - thanks for that but I don't read German so it probably isn't worth my investing. I have a couple of photos from the HMRS collection and a couple more I found on the net. The drawing came from the WW 2 Railway Study Group website and is very basic indeed - just overall dimensions. I've scaled everything else from the photos and the Roco model. The transfers I haven't heard back from them about so the chap may have been mistaken. He did seem very confident. Plan B is just to scan the Roco sides and enlarge it all slightly.


Comment posted by 60B on Wed May 06, 2009 11:37 am


How well does the Ian Kirk go together?



??? posted on Wed May 06, 2009 11:56 am








How well does the Ian Kirk go together?

Well, hello. They show their ago a bit compared to the best plastic kits but with care they're not bad. You sometimes have to file the floor back/fill in a gap where there's a narrower brake section. Roof fitting is always a bit of a nightmare especially with the domed end roofs. They're never the right length. If I build them for myself I use cast bogies (ABS) as they're a bit too light with the plastic ones. I also use Comet bits of the underframe fittings and change the roof vents (MJT generally). If you trim off the moulded door handles and replace with MJT it makes a world of difference to the appearance.


Where they do score is that they're very easy to cut and shut. have a look back through the start of the WB for a set of 52'6" ones I did a couple of years ago. I have an ECJS one lined up to do as well.


Comment posted by 60B on Wed May 06, 2009 12:03 pm


Thank you for that, doesn't sound too difficult at least.


Comment posted by 60B on Wed May 06, 2009 12:22 pm


Found one on eBay but not sure wether to go for it:


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KIRK-COACH-KIT-00 ... m153.l1262



??? posted on Wed May 06, 2009 12:48 pm


Also available from Coopercraft directly (http://www.cooper-craft.co.uk/) but with the postage they're exactly the same price.


Comment posted by 60B on Wed May 06, 2009 12:56 pm


Thanks very much. I'll get on it when I check my balances.


edit - What did you do for wheelsets?


Comment posted by CHRIS LNER on Thu May 07, 2009 4:59 pm


Thanks about the paint, I was just curious.

by the way I like the D16 on the first page icon_smile.gif I hope to get my dodgy one up to sratch icon_confused.gif


Comment posted by gr.king on Thu May 07, 2009 5:04 pm


I've only just seen your 2007 cut n' shut Kirk GE section bow-ended coaches Jonathon. Nice application of the method, and it obviously allows you to resolve neatly any problems of non-matching roof and body lengths in the original 61'6" kits icon_thumbsup2.gif


What's the origin of that D16?



??? posted on Thu May 07, 2009 8:37 pm


60B - I use Hornby wheels on all my rolling stock except where they have to be split spoke or Mansell. They catch the chairs on very finescale track but they're fine on Peco Code 75 which is about as finescale as I ever intend to get.


Graeme - the D16 is a Little Engines one which was a free gift on Ebay. I bought a Mallard Models kit (which I have still never built) and the bloke threw that in with it. It had been built - glued - half disassembled and then abandoned. It was incomplete but when I got hold of the instructions - courtesy of the late George Walker - it was only missing detail bits. It was finished just as RMWeb 3 was abandoned as I recall. I was tipped off about the trick of balancing the tender on the back of the dragbeam and with all the weight of the body it pulls quite well, though it's still a bit noisy.


Comment posted by 60B on Thu May 07, 2009 8:47 pm


Thank you very much, Johnathan.



??? posted on Fri May 15, 2009 8:42 am


Assorted projects on the WB in the last few days.


German vans making slow progress but the details are starting to appear. Thanks to the German Railway Society I now have the fonts to create the transfers for these which was going to be one of the hardest things to dig out.




Gresley BT(4) pretty well complete. For the benefit of 60B, I've shown the bits which I've added to the basic Kirk kit. Door and grab handles are MJT as are the roof vents.






The rather anaemic brake gear on the end is replaced with bits of wire. The link to the vac pipe should be flush to the end and should probably come down on the other side of the upstand. MJT sprung buffers make a difference if you want to go that far; these are the brass ones which came with the kit.




Underneath, the trussing has the cross members added (there should also be diagonal bracing but I'm only trying to suggest an effect here) and the battery box/dynamo/brake gear replaced with Comet parts. What I should also have done before sticking the roof on was put the 'No Smoking' stickers in the windows - they're surprisingly noticeable when they're in place.




A small project for one of the other members at Ormesby; his P2 was not used on the layout as it simply didn't run fast enough. I've replaced the Comet gearbox (I think a 50:1) with a 38:1 to see what difference that makes. This is a K's kit, still with the original wheels and valve gear. I'll do some tidying up on the lining and paintwork after we've done some running trials.






Another Ormesby project but from Corfe this time; this had been built with the two W irons linked by a piece of thin wire which was then soldered to the weight in the centre of the wagon. It's a technique Ron Rising used a great deal and it's surprisingly effective. This one had been bent out of square however and so I'm replacing with more conventional 3 point suspension. I'm interested to know whether this is a genuine LSWR vehicle; it looks to me like a Ratio GWR kit (is it an 'Open C'?)




Finally something Steve (31A) and I have been discussing; I have two K3s to renumber and weather for Thurston. One of them is to be 61834 as pictured by Dr Ian C Allen hauling a rake of Continental vans near Newmarket. 61834 was one of the batch built with flared tenders and right hand drive. The standard Bachmann issue is LHD. I took it to bits last night - surprising how far you can break them down - and started the conversion. Bachmann have made it quite easy, actually, as the pipe is attached rather than moulded to the boiler. Fill in one set of holes, drill out another. The reversing rod is moulded onto the end of the casing under the firebox but can be cut off and stuck onto the other side quite easily. It's as supplied above. I've moved it slightly inboard when reattaching it so I can stick it along its length to the boiler just to give it more chance of staying put. There's a useful thread on K3 detailing here, most of which I will be applying to these two.


Comment posted by Adam on Fri May 15, 2009 9:48 am


The wagon is indeed a Ratio Open C - the Dean Churchward brakes are enough to confirm that it definitively is not an SR vehicle - though looking at it, the axleguards have been replaced with the LSWR variety at some point which is a concession of a sort I suppose!




Comment posted by 60B on Fri May 15, 2009 4:03 pm


jwealleans wrote:

For the benefit of 60B, I've shown the bits which I've added to the basic Kirk kit. Door and grab handles are MJT as are the roof vents.

Thanks very much, John.


Now,with this info, I can take over the world...umm, I mean order the kit.


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Comment posted by micklner on Fri May 15, 2009 8:25 pm



I like the P2 with some new front bogie wheels and the drivers painted it will look really good. Any idea what curves it will go around?

The K3 will be interesting as well.






Comment posted by gr.king on Sat May 16, 2009 10:56 am


Just a thought - I haven't had the RCTS and Yeadon books out to check, but if the K3 you want to depict is RHD then is it sufficient to just reverse the Bachmann model, or should you also have the (admittedly similar looking) earlier, not-quite-so-long cab with rounded-top windows (i.e. the final version of the Darlington cab) rather than Bachmann's modelled full-length group-standard cab?



??? posted on Sat May 16, 2009 12:15 pm


Mick - it went round 3' curves before I got hold of it.... I'm not sure I've got the chassis back into the body quite right. The chassis is very narrow allowing lots of sideplay - that might be the secret.


Graham - thanks for that well-aimed spanner. I really don't know and I don't have Yeadon to hand (not that it has a picture of 61834/120). As it isn't mine and it's unlikely ever to find itself next to one with the correct cab, that might be one detail too far. Does the SEF kit contain sides for that cab variant?


Comment posted by mozzer models on Sat May 16, 2009 12:39 pm






jwealleans wrote:

Does the SEF kit contain sides for that cab variant?

yes then theres the 1/2 kit so you can build a 2nd loco from the extra bits

so if you get both kits you can build 2 verents



??? posted on Sun May 17, 2009 6:45 am


What I was thinking about was comparing the SEF etch to the Bachmann cab side - which I did last night. I can see what Graeme means, although I'm not going to do anything about it. You could file the more curved window shape into the Bachmann cab but it would be largely hidden by the roof. Not having a side on photo of 61834 to check against anyway I think we'll leave it at that.


It wouldn't be too hard to fit the SEF cab to a Bachmann body if you wanted to go that route.


Comment posted by gr.king on Sun May 17, 2009 10:08 am


I don't blame you for leaving the cab well alone. It would take a pedant like me, who happens to have studied the subject, to spot the minor discrepancy.

I won't be attending to every tiny detail in my B1 to B2 conversion when I get on with that, either.



??? posted on Fri May 22, 2009 7:21 am


Following on from the above, the two K3s now well on the way and really only awaiting touching up, weathering and coal.




61970 hasn't had a great deal done - additional pipework around the smokebox, removed the AWS reservoir (on the other side), lifting holes in the front frames, replacement fire iron holder half way along the coal space. Screw link coupling on the front (the rear will retain the Bachy coupling). Smokebox, running plate and cab roof painted with a mix of Humbrol 33 and Gunmetal and cab roof and smokebox have also been matt varnished. I have fitted the extra Bachmann detailing bits to both locos as well. While I had the boilers off I've filed down the mould seam along the top. I'm not going to try to touch up the finish here, but will hide it with weathering.




61834 has had all of the above plus removal of the tender vac tank, screw coupling and additional lamp iron on rear of tender, change of driving position as already discussed and removal of the front buffers - this loco had Spencer-Moulton ones. The close up above is a bit harsh but hopefully you can see the lubricator pipework I've tried to represent and the picking out of the lubricator handwheels in brass. While you have them in bits the backhead is easy to paint up as well and makes quite a difference to the cab interior. I still need to straighten the steam pipe and make a new reversing rod - the other one pinged off into oblivion last night. As it's to some extent hidden by the lubricator on this side it's less crucial than I thought.


To pick up on Graeme's point above the cab windows on 61834 should be more arched than the GS ones shown here. You'd need to fill some of the Bachmann windows in at the top then file in a new shape and replace the beading.... or cadge some of the SEF etched sides from someone and make up a new cab with them and the Bachmann bits.




Also making some progress last night after a long wait for buffers, these two. I had an order in with ABS but in view of the fact that Adrian's been ill I found some SR van buffers in the MT list and pinched some GN ones from another kit. Now they're painted I may even get them finished over the weekend.


Comment posted by 31A on Mon May 25, 2009 1:55 pm


Nice work with the K3s, Jonathan icon_thumbsup2.gif


Had you thought about fitting front steps? I wondered whether the recently-reviewed Comet loco steps would be suitable, but haven't investigated yet. Or maybe they would restrict the swing of the pony wheels too much?



??? posted on Mon May 25, 2009 4:52 pm


I've been mulling that over, Steve, but I haven't decided yet. They ought to be there - I ought to fit a set to my own for that matter - but I haven't had a good look at the Comet etch yet. I'm waiting for the buffers from Kean Maygib (via Dave Smith) so I'm stopped with at least one of them for the moment.


In the meantime I've been going crosseyed and stir crazy sticking rivets on these German vans.


Edit - I forgot to mention a big thumbs up to Nick Campling or whoever chose the pictures for his K3 article in Modellers Backtrack Vol 1 No. 2. Both sides of 61834 on the same page! Just what the modeller ordered.



??? posted on Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:18 pm


Hartlepool show looms and I need to get a few things finished in time... I've all but completed riveting the German vans and now some fresh supplies of Evergreen strip have arrived I can get the second one completed. The first one has had underframe and external brass detailing added and the roofs went on today.






I've finished the lettering on this Ratio one which seems to have dragged for ages. I also found an old PC models etch - no idea where it came from - which had hooks and loops for safety chains so they've been added, if you can make them out.






This Cambrian open has been lettered up as a small personal tribute to the late Ron Rising, who built Corfe, the lovely layout I'm privileged to operate on summer weekends. The plastikard structure next to it will form the base for a coal load.




I've also completed the lettering on this pair of cattle vans and they just need roofs attaching. The Slaters one was built just as is.




Finally, though not much has happened to the K3s, I have carved off the gaping orifice where the front tension lock coupling goes and plated it over. Once this is black it'll be hard to make out that there's no real detail there.





??? posted on Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:45 pm


First of the K3s ready for action. Still no sign of buffers for the other one.








Comment posted by 31A on Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:28 pm


The K3 looks well with some subtle weathering Jonathan! Where did you get the fire irons?



??? posted on Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:42 pm


Cheers, Steve. I had that picture of 61859 in mind as I did it. T-Cut and cotton buds - it's the only way. 61834 on the other hand is in for a pasting, looking at the state she's in on that Ian C Allen pic you tipped me off about.


The fire irons are Springside - I ended up with quite a few a few years ago after a chap I bought them for at the club sadly died and I'm still working my way through them.


Comment posted by 31A on Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:07 pm


That's interesting Jonathan, I've used T-cut to 'improve' green engines but hadn't thought to use it on black ones; it certainly looks a big improvement, almost the 'blackberry black' description that people used to use for LNW engines. I'll give it a go sometime, although my next effort will probably be an Ivatt 4 Mogul and as such likely to be a bit of a 'minger' icon_rolleyes.gif Must look out for the Springside fire irons as I've just been making some fuse wire copies of the old Hornby plastic ones, which is a bit fiddly. icon_mutter.gif



??? posted on Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:55 am


Bit of a major weathering and finishing session this weekend. I shan't bore you with most of it as it's all been in these pages before, but some of the more recent stuff:






Transfers for these are in the post from John Peck and I hope to have them applied by the end of the week. I am still awaiting springs from Dart Castings for the second one.




This was built for me by Mozzer as a prize from the last Members Day. Now the transfers for it are also in the post, I've started painting it. I used Halfords Triumph Russet Brown as recommended by Peter Tatlow in an MRJ article. I'm quite pleased with it so far. It's a GE CCT from a D & S kit.


Finally, I have to confess to a 'Metropolitan moment' when it came to weathering this, which I have become very attached to since building it. In the end, though, I swallowed my objections and it went under the airbrush with everything else.





??? posted on Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:01 pm


Came back from a trip to the sunny south to find two packages on the doorstep. Firstly the estimable John Peck had come up with the goods for the Great Eastern CCT and the German vans.






This is the prewar livery.




This one carries the postwar markings. These seem to have been a bit of a moveable feast but I worked from a photo which was fairly shortly after the war. Note that it's still branded 'Brit - US - Zone' - how long did that last?


The photo I worked from, kindly supplied by the German Railway Society, showed the van carrying a label for McCormick Tractors. Maximum respect to McCormick for coming up with an image of the label. This one is a rough print attached with blutak but I'll have some better quality ones done by Hartlepool.




I also found an envelope from Dave Smith at Blacksmith Models which brought the Spencer Moulton buffers for the other K3. Hopefully I can get this one weathered in time for Hartlepool as well.




Lastly, just before I went away I had this package from Pete Harvey with some etches I'd commissioned. Three days in a hotel offered the chance to make a start on the eventual carrier vehicle. I hope it's up to the standard of the etches.






As the man said, can you guess what it is yet?


Comment posted by 31A on Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:13 pm


Ooh I like those Continental vans Jonathan; the transfers really finish them off nicely! Wouldn't want to letter that lot by hand icon_frustrated.gif







As the man said, can you guess what it is yet?

Pre-war ferry van icon_question.gif



??? posted on Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:27 am


Cheers, Steve. There's one of these in the ICA picture you sent me; it's too far back to spot the detail, but that large framed lettering on the door gives it away.


I think hand lettering is something you should either do well or not at all. I know I can't do it well, so I prefer to go the transfer route. They're by far the most expensive part of the project, but you can count on John Peck doing a good job and it's surprising how much they lift the rest of the vehicle. They also gloss over the less accomplished parts of my dodgy building. With these especially, because there's so much of it, I really had to go this route. Getting them straight was also a challenge - my doors aren't quite parallel all over and lining those big boxes up against one horizontal left them way off against another. Another benefit of Mr. Peck's transfers is that he does you three of everything so I was able to scrape off the set I got cockeyed and replace them.







Pre-war ferry van

Yes. Not much of a surprise, really.


Comment posted by jonhall on Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:26 pm


jwealleans wrote:




This one carries the postwar markings. These seem to have been a bit of a moveable feast but I worked from a photo which was fairly shortly after the war. Note that it's still branded 'Brit - US - Zone' - how long did that last?


The photo I worked from, kindly supplied by the German Railway Society, showed the van carrying a label for McCormick Tractors. Maximum respect to McCormick for coming up with an image of the label. This one is a rough print attached with blutak but I'll have some better quality ones done by Hartlepool.





What colour paint did you use for the German van? Thanks for the transfers that arrived today, I now need to sort out some paint! According to the Gassner website http://www.gassner-beschriftungen.de/E3 ... wagen.html RAL8012 should be the right colour, but I guess any red-brown paint would do??





??? posted on Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:42 pm


Hi Jon,


I had the Roco HO one to work against and after several poor attempts at mixing up a similar shade, I ended up searching on RAL8012 and found quite a few places in this country who do one. The one I ended up with is by Lifecolor, Ref. UA211, 'Rotbraun'. I was a little dubious as it's acrylic (new territory for me) and the vehicles had already had enamel primer. No problems at all, several thin coats and plenty of drying time and they both came out fine, even with enamel varnish over the top.


Are we going to see any pictures of yours?


Comment posted by jonhall on Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:52 pm







jwealleans wrote:


Are we going to see any pictures of yours?

Sadly if you go back to this post from last October, you wouldn't notice the difference... icon_sad.gif




However I now have transfers and renewed enthusiasm, so next on the shopping list, red oxide primer, RAL8012 rot-braun paint, and a fresh round-tuit, and I'll be well away icon_wink.gif





??? posted on Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:32 am


I seem to have been ready for Hartlepool a great deal sooner than usual so have been clearing the bench a bit. This has been hanging about for ages waiting for me to get my proverbial finger out and have a go at making the transfers.




Built by the Ince Waggon Works for the ROD during WW I, sold to the Belgians in advance of the opening of the ferry service in 1924. Some of these had an open brake platform added. I have a drawing but no photos - anyone know of any?


This is a Slaters kit, door rubbing plate moved, new buffers (Andy Hart), extra V hanger (51L) and replacement door spring (Masokits). Vac pipes (through air pipe if you want to be pedantic) are MJT. It should have safety chains but I want to have room to be able to couple it up. The transfers were made by taking a photograph of the original, cutting out the letters using GIMP and then printing on Crafty Computer Decal Paper. The very small printing I did using a similar font and typing it in. The larger text and the crest had to be done manually as they're clearly hand lettered. I'm really pleased with the way they've come out. The 'Hired by LNER' text is John Peck's - left over from the Italian vans - and although the Crafty paper is coarser it compares well. White corner markers were cut from Modelmaster stripes for a 16 tonner.


According to a Belgian correspondent of mine, the originals vanished - along with much Belgian railway equipment - towards the Eastern Front in the later stages of the Second War.


Comment posted by 31A on Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:55 pm


Ooh that's nice Jonathan, something a bit different! icon_biggrin.gif







According to a Belgian correspondent of mine, the originals vanished - along with much Belgian railway equipment - towards the Eastern Front in the later stages of the Second War.

I hope the Germans were duly impressed (and the Russians)! icon_eek.gif


Comment posted by jonhall on Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:46 am




I think I can add a bit to the details of your Saarbrucken vans, built pre-war, the numbers you have used are for the East German (DR) wagons. Some also went to the West (DB) numbered 180000-180159 as type Gb21 or Gbh21 (the h signifies if it still retains the brakeman's hut). Post 1964 the remaining non-hut wagons were re-coded Hfk 310, and re-numbered with UIC codes 21 80 209 0 000 to 088 however as they were withdrawn by 1968 it's not clear if they actually got re-numbered or not.


This has been cobbled together from the book Guterwagen Band (volume) 1 Gedeckte Wagen (vans) Authors Stefan Carstens and Rudolf Ossig ISBN 3-921590-07-8 published by Bahn&Modell specials (reprinted by MIBA) which shows two pictures 180065 which ratains the brakemans hut, but has rebuilt vents, and 180106 which has lost the hut, but retains the original vents.


I've also used a BR ferry wagon index from 1966 to get the numbers/renumbers.





??? posted on Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:56 am


Cheers for that, Jon. The photo I used for the post war version wasn't dated or located but must have been taken before 1955 as that's when the article it accompanied was published. (My thanks to Tony Adams of the German Railway Society for that). I did know that they lost the brake huts during the 1950s and i have seen pictures from an article in Continental Modeller with some variation in vents and detailing. I've also seen identical vans belonging to the SBAFB: I don't know whether they were built to the same diagram or were war reparations for the ones lost in the east.


A few photos I took at Hartlepool, where things ran very well on the whole.


The other K3 which has featured in the thread above, weathered after an Ian C Allen photo of 61834, absolutely filthy, hauling a rake of continental vans near Newmarket.




The train - Italian vans now weathered. The German ones still need some work - with impeccable timing, the springs from Dart Castings arrived on the Saturday of the show - but no-one seemed to notice.








Bit off its usual haunt, the milk train for Pilmoor at Ormesby Hall.




Finally, thanks to Ian Ward for the loan of his DC kits Wickham Trolley.




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Comment posted by Neil on Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:25 pm


Oooo, just caught up with your work again Jonathan and I'm hugely impressed by the train ferry wagons, not just the quality of build but the inventiveness to step so far off the beaten path. I've noticed lots of rivets sprinkled about and the odd oblique reference to them in the text. I may well have missed the full explanation of how they are done but could I trouble you for a recap?


Comment posted by micklner on Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:40 pm


Cracking work and excellent pictures icon_clap.gificon_clap.gif




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jwealleans wrote:

I've also seen identical vans belonging to the SBAFB: I don't know whether they were built to the same diagram or were war reparations for the ones lost in the east.

I think that the Austrian's may have had 15 as well - not sure how OBB was formed post WW2, but they could easily have been a sub-set of the 300 German vans.


I didn't imeadiately recognise the initials SBAFB, so Googled it (obvious to me now! ) however I found this page - not sure if youve seen it?


http://communities.zeelandnet.nl/data/h ... page=70954





??? posted on Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:47 am


Thank you chaps. I ought to have time to get a couple more built before we go out again next February to Glasgow. Jon - that chap is one of my Belgian correspondents. His group built a ferry open for their 7mm layout and one of his friends supplied all those Belgian drawings you've seen. Very helpful bloke.


Neil - Mick b really put me on to these rivet transfers - have a look at the OF CCT about 3/4 of the way down the page here. Those black blobs are resin cast rivets. They work like waterslide transfers. I'd have been raving and gibbering if I'd had to do all those on the Italian vans by one of the manual methods. You can get them direct from the US or in the UK from a company called Historex. Various different sizes available. If you search for 'Archer' on the forum you'll find they're breaking out all over the place.


Comment posted by Phil on Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:23 am


Stunned by your feryvans Jonathan. Some really great work there.


During my European modelling period I bought a book on "foreign" rolling stock in use in Austria. One notable photograph in the book, taken not too long after the end of WW2, showed an SR 12T van in one of the Viennese marshalling yards. The war effort rolling stock certainly travelled !!


On a slighty different note, but staying in Austria, in 1981 I saw a pair of BR ferry tubes in the yard at Steyr.


Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:49 am


Just been looking through your recent updates, great weathering Sir.



??? posted on Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:04 pm


Thank you all for your kind words. They are appreciated. Mr. Grimley - I don't do diesels as you can tell, but I do enjoy your thread when I catch up with it.






The war effort rolling stock certainly travelled !

One of the SR ferry opens which was in Europe when war broke out didn't come back until 1951. Wouldn't you love to know where that had been all that time?


Since Hartlepool I've had a few days off and started catching up on a few jobs for other people as well as some for myself.


I bought an Adams Radial from Mr. Ripley OTP last year for use on Corfe. It arrived with a Ks motor and wheels - the motor has been replaced - and now runs very nicely thanks to Peter Simmerson's magic touch. It's come to me for detailing and finishing. I've added Alan Gibson wheels front and back, extra details as per a drawing and photographs in a Southern locomotives book Peter lent me and I'm now hesitating over whether to strip and repaint or not.






This is out of my area, so please tell me if there's a major detail I've missed or got wrong.


This is also from Corfe: one of a pair which have been serial deraillers since I've been going along there. I've fitted a Bill Bedford springing unit which seems to have done the trick at the moment. I'm waiting for some information on the brake layout before I detail and reassemble it. We think it's an Ian Kirk kit - there's nothing on it to indicate manufacturer. I see there is a GW fish van listed in Swampy's post on Roger's Kirk/Ashby thread, so presumably this is it.




Finally, one for me. This is Mozzer territory, especially as he sold me the kit. Peter K ECJS 67' Luggage Composite. 247 bogies and a Blacksmiths roof. I spent yesterday evening bored out of my mind making hinges and I have the other side still to do. The clerestory etch is also very fragile and seems to be curling its lip at me at one end. I sense a small application of brute force and ignorance.




Hopefully the first of a few pregrouping coaches I have in mind to build next. Incidentally, Brian, if you read this - what are the brass bits in the bogie pack for?



??? posted on Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:08 am


Further updates as I plod on with this coach.




Underframe fittings are Comet - truss rods butchered to get a turnbuckle in the middle - and 51L. The LNER converted these to electric lighting so I've used LNER battery boxes and dynamo. We now need buffers and some more of those exquisite roof vents from that nice Major Clanger and she's well away. The clerestory needs more fettling as well, although for once the camera makes it look better than it really is.



??? posted on Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:34 pm


Still on a coaching theme, I started the next of the series over the weekend while it rained. I thought this might be marginally easier than the Peter K simply because more of it would be present and I'd have less to make. I was expecting to have to alter some of the components as I went along.




It's a Jidenco GCR 60' Composite. Possibly the first thing, certainly the first coach, I bought on Ebay. I don't know how long it's been kicking around in the heap so I was determined to build it. It wasn't as bad as I might have feared, actually; the end profile matched perfectly to a drawing in Nick Campling's book and the sides, although 2mm too long, are slightly too long right along their length so everything is in the right place relative to everything else. It's gone together quite well - for once the roof was just a bit snug so a bit of filler will be required in the corners. I've had to move the solebars out to allow the bogies to pivot enough for 3' curves. The bogies are a fold up etch and look very frail and easily distorted to me.


Just the trussing and undergear to fabricate and attach after a tedious evening sweating vents and window bars into place.


This is almost ready for primer - just alarm gear and destination board holders to make up. Those vents from 51L really look the business.




Comment posted by jonhall on Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:45 pm


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jwealleans wrote:


Are we going to see any pictures of yours?

Sadly if you go back to this post from last October, you wouldn't notice the difference... icon_sad.gif




However I now have transfers and renewed enthusiasm, so next on the shopping list, red oxide primer, RAL8012 rot-braun paint, and a fresh round-tuit, and I'll be well away icon_wink.gif




A little progress viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31894&p=745964#p745964





??? posted on Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:41 am


Some progress to report although I've been otherwise employed while the weather has been good. The Jidenco kit proved more problematic than it seemed initially. Someone on another forum pointed out that the windows on the corridor side are incorrect; in the photo above there should be two small windows between the third and fourth door from the right instead of the one large one. This is because that is the point at which third and first class meet and there's a door in the corridor to keep the riff-raff out.


That part of the coach isn't shown on Nick Campling's drawing, but there's an outline in the back of George Dow's Great Central Vol. 3 which gave me enough to go on. I couldn't put up with it as it was (I'd probably have noticed when I built the interior) so I decided it had to be altered.


First step was to solder a brass strip across the offending window to support the plastikard insert. This is narrower than the required panel to make it easier to shape the plastic.




20 thou plastikard was then used to make a panel of roughly the right shape and size and this was inserted into the gap.




Evergreen strip was used to make the shape of the beading round the window and this was stuck in place and left to harden. A piece 5 thou was then shaped to the panel between the beading and stuck in place. The whole thing was then filed and sanded down and filler used to correct gaps and missing bits of beading.




Since these pictures I've filled the rest of the redundant beading lines with Milliput and it's awaiting a fresh coat of primer and another round of filing and sanding.


The bogies on this kit, as well as being very flimsy as described above, also foul the solebars with very little deflection. I raised the whole coach .5 mm, rounded down the corners of the bogies and shaved a touch off the bottom of the solebars, but we still found a problem in running trials last night. It's fine on 3' curves but fell off on pointwork. Some more surgery on the bogie corners will be required.


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jwealleans wrote:


I've finished the lettering on this Ratio one which seems to have dragged for ages. I also found an old PC models etch - no idea where it came from - which had hooks and loops for safety chains so they've been added, if you can make them out.







Hope you don't mind me pointing out that the full size version of the Ratio effort was very different below the solebar - 9' wheelbase and a strange variety of offset push rod style of brakegear. They may have been given a through air pipe as well. The details are in SR Wagons vol. 4, a book I really must get my own copy of this, but I can't find any shots of this precise form of brakegear on the web unfortunately, but a bit like this:


http://southernrailway.net/search/displ ... _fd0=33506





??? posted on Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:08 am


Hi Adam,


I don't mind at all. I never completed the brake gear on this van because I'm not sure that what was in the kit was adequate or it didn't look right, I can't quite recall now. At the time I only had the Ratio instructions to follow and I was more concerned with researching the lettering. I now have the relevant section of Southern wagons Vol. 4 and the brake gear looks very like what the LNER used on their grain hoppers, with the offset V hanger and drop link. This just has a vac cylinder added to the whole shebang as well.


There is another pipe - may be air, may be train heat - on the photos I've got but it would just get in the way of the couplings so I didn't bother.



??? posted on Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:45 pm


Well, nearly three weeks of progress to catch up on. The camera was away on holiday for part of that, though. The initial two coaches are well on the way with just some details and fettling before I glaze them. I had the Bob Moore out this lunchtime and I'm quite pleased. Interiors are almost complete as well. Here they're just put together for the camera.


The clerestory needs a fair bit of filling and fiddling to make it fit gaplessly. I'm waiting for some Southern Pride seats for the first class section of this coach.




I'm not sure what (if any) lining was applied to these GC coaches by the LNER. The rainstrip looks a bit heavy too.




I had a trip away for work a couple of weeks ago and I like to take a plastic project with me for working in hotel rooms - apart from the practicalities of lugging a soldering iron, I'm always bothered about setting off the fire alarm. I've had an ECJS conversion from some Kirk sides in the to do box for about a year, so I cracked into that while I had nothing better to do in Littlehampton. Here it is. It's a cut and shut from three sides of Kirk kit 8846 (I think) - whatever it is it's the only one with a set of three large windows together which is what makes this coach distinctive.






The end lights were boarded up during the 1920s.




Finally something I'll pick up and crack on with after the coaches; a pair of ex-ROD ferry vans. These stalled while I made up the very unusual W irons, which I did using MJT ones with some scrap fret. I've done the first pair, so the second one shouldn't take too long.






Comment posted by robpulham on Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:47 pm


Looking good Jonathan, seeing your work with the Bob Moore has inspired me to get out my Peter Spoorer pen and line my triplet set. I am quite happy with the results and will post some pictures on my WB as soon as I have finished the last car. I may feel brave enough to tackle the Claud then.


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  • 3 weeks later...

There has been progress with a few projects recently but nothing worth posting. Reinvigorated by a visit to Hull Show, however, I thought I'd put some of it up here to remind anyone reading that I am still active. Just.


These coaches are now pretty well complete. I picked up a pack of Preiser figures at Hull and they'll be riding in style sometime fairly soon.








This GWR fish van is now done and I have another matching one to give the same treatment to. We did eventually manage to get the BB spring units to derail but we had to go awfully fast to do it.




Finally most of my modelling time has been spent on this, with which I'm mighty pleased. These were the first ferry vans I came across when I started researching and I've just had a yen to have some since then. There's another on the stocks and then we'll see how many more I can motivate myself to knock up.




Sincere thanks to our Glorious Leader for allowing me to use Keyhaven Quay to photograph it and then keeping it on display for most of the day. My camera was about to expire when I took this - I'll replace it with one of Andy's eventually as they'll undoubtedly be much better.




Is it me or is there a man in the foreground being sick?

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Nice to see you back in business Jonathan. The ferry van is excellent. How did you do the windows on the Barnum? It looks the business.


I rather fancy some of those Peter K clerestory coaches but I had better build some of his other stuff first.

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:icon_clap: Very nice indeed. I've had my custom transfers for the Tcefs back, it will go in the club showcase at Tolworth Showtrain next weekend, then into hiding until it appears in print in DEMU's Update mag... still need to write that bit.... then I'll post some pictures.



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Cheers, chaps. Rob - the crests were actually sent to me by Graeme King, who'd traced/drawn them out of the Dow book. They're just printed onto plain paper and stuck to the back of the glazing material. The glue has discoloured one of them slightly but it'll not show when weathered.


The Peter K kits are a bit of a challenge; the clerestory on mine was very flimsy indeed and still doesn't really bear very close examination. The one Mozzer built (is he still building it?) had the etchings doubled up so you folded them over, which would be much stronger. The sides are done like that to the upper half has more relief. You can't get the bogies either, of course. I am tempted by some of the others they advertise but, like you, I have a few things to build first....


Jon - look forward to seeing your van. Who did the transfers for you? I ordered some for mine in April from some German firm - forget the name now - but they never turned up and he never asked for payment. Bit late now if he gets round to it.

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Jon - look forward to seeing your van. Who did the transfers for you? I ordered some for mine in April from some German firm - forget the name now - but they never turned up and he never asked for payment. Bit late now if he gets round to it.


John Peck, but I rather suspect he regreted doing it, and isn't expecting to sell any more.



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More plastic in hotel rooms last week. I picked these kits up from Leeds a couple of weeks ago; most of them are for Corfe but the Long Low was for me, initially to satisfy my curiosity about backdating to the MR version but now I have it it will go onto Thurston.


We're going to build a few wagons for our (fictitious) coal merhant on Corfe. As we're in the general south west of the country we decided some of the round-ended varieties of wagon would give a bit more character.




These are a Hurst Nelson (C52) and Wheeler and Gregory (C53). They take a bit more care than most plastic kits but can be made up quite well.




The different profiles and sizes of these wagons is what gives pregrouping stock and trains so much character. The other Cambrian kit I put together is the Midland van which was discussed on the old forum. The one piece underframe speeds up assembly no end. These are all assembled as they come out of the packet apart from substitution of steel buffer heads for the plastic ones.




The white ends are some Evergreen strip - I managed to make the body longer than the roof, not sure how, but the strip will ensure that it projects slightly over the end as per the prototype. The Long Low; well, what can you say - usual Roger quality, opened the bag and it almost assembled itself. The only change I made was using .9 wire for the brake cross shaft instead of what was supplied.

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Nice work as per usual. May I suggest you start a whole new thread for your models or some kind of page divider. My computer is going into overdrive as your thread is about a mile deep !!!!!!!!!!!! as there are no page breaks





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Nice work as per usual. May I suggest you start a whole new thread for your models or some kind of page divider. My computer is going into overdrive as your thread is about a mile deep !!!!!!!!!!!! as there are no page breaks






If there is a way of introducing page breaks please let me know. My Photos thread has the same problem.

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These are a Hurst Nelson (C52) and Wheeler and Gregory (C53). They take a bit more care than most plastic kits but can be made up quite well.




These are nice looking wagons Jonathan, they look similar to the highland railway fish wagons that are available in brass from Lochgorm.

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