Guest 47107 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Nice find 47107 So what would have dragged these around this land? 47? Most pics seem to be class 47's, but on page 49 of Jane's rail portfolios no.5 (the class 37's) there is a pic of 37024 with the stock at Stranraer. the Blackpool trips could be correct. i saw an image recently of an 81 or 85 hauling a set south out of Carlisle over the Settle and Coast line bridge but cannot find it right now.....either that or the coaches were being take to works for repair if they didnt receive attention at St. Rollox. That pic was in the current Bachmann Collectors club mag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Nice find 47107 So what would have dragged these around this land? 47? Certainly these featured in plenty of 37-bashers' records. I can't recall the date, but in the week of the Polmont tragedy (Monday 30th July 1984), I'm fairly sure 37067 hauled a Stranraer - Glasgow Central service formed of this stock, which we had from Ayr. There were plenty of NB tractors about in Scotland that summer, and you were treated to Eastfield, Motherwell and Thornaby examples on those workings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Bright yellow vestibules if I remember correctly. And manky! I remember for a while they were on the 17.12 express to Ayr, taking over from the Mk2 airconditioned "night rider" stock that had a fill in turn to Ayr. Not an improvement! That could be this train, it would have been early evening at Ayr http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmark1/e6c322399 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Certainly these featured in plenty of 37-bashers' records. I can't recall the date, but in the week of the Polmont tragedy (Monday 30th July 1984), I'm fairly sure 37067 hauled a Stranraer - Glasgow Central service formed of this stock, which we had from Ayr. There were plenty of NB tractors about in Scotland that summer, and you were treated to Eastfield, Motherwell and Thornaby examples on those workings. I was on a Scottish Rover ticket at that time, the Stranraers seemed to produce a constant stream of 37/0s or 47/0s except on the day I went right down to Stranraer (47449). Did have trips behind 37132 on the 0130 Stranraer-Blackpool from Ayr(which probably was not Sealink stock), and 37253 and 47001 on the 0735 Stranraer-Glasgow from Ayr(which probably was) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Maybe I over read what it said but it seemed to imply that a new liveries appeared in 1982 which really was not the case. It doesn't imply it sufficiently to make the sweeping statement you made for which I honestly think you should apologise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I was on a Scottish Rover ticket at that time, the Stranraers seemed to produce a constant stream of 37/0s or 47/0s except on the day I went right down to Stranraer (47449). Did have trips behind 37132 on the 0130 Stranraer-Blackpool from Ayr(which probably was not Sealink stock), and 37253 and 47001 on the 0735 Stranraer-Glasgow from Ayr(which probably was) Oh 47449 was the scourge of the Highland Main Line that week as well. Turned up during the overnight at Pitlochry at least once. Crewe spoon filth, or so the 37 lot thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIAM Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 What about a Peak? I saw 45 148 heading south through Durham on a special on Saturday, 31st May 1986. I took the attached picture but unfortunately it doesnt exactly show the coaches but believe me it was a rake of Sealink Mk1s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 Maybe I over read what it said but it seemed to imply that a new liveries appeared in 1982 which really was not the case. Sealink was a big exception to the dominating blue/grey and as for Provinical it was only when the 150s turned up did a new livery appear which was a few years after 1982 Intercity livery began to be more widely introduced after 83, although a variation was worn on the APTE before that. Certainly it was the model for most of the subsequent passenger sector liveries that were introduced over the following years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIAM Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 What about a Peak? I saw 45 148 heading south through Durham on a special on Saturday, 31st May 1986. I took the attached picture but unfortunately it doesnt exactly show the coaches but believe me it was a rake of Sealink Mk1s. Found this on Flickr. Presumably the same day. Is the location Sheffield? Anyone know the train details? https://www.flickr.com/photos/60854097@N06/6672564699 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2015 Found this on Flickr. Presumably the same day. Is the location Sheffield? Anyone know the train details? https://www.flickr.com/photos/60854097@N06/6672564699 I agree - Sheffield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) 47623 VULCAN at Ayr in 1986 https://www.flickr.com/photos/killie65/2217730150/ 47578 in 1985 http://sulzerpower.com/archivephotos/147578_StranraerHarbour_1A32_07071985_dj.jpg Unknown spoon in Fife with the stock https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/5695784860/ 47016 at Troon in 1984 http://www.worldmachine.org/trainsintroon/page_2.html 47522 in May '84 before its own celebrity days http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=1009020761000 Edited January 31, 2015 by 'CHARD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Intercity livery began to be more widely introduced after 83, although a variation was worn on the APTE before that. Certainly it was the model for most of the subsequent passenger sector liveries that were introduced over the following years. definitely E ? or did you mean P? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu from EGDL Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 What about a Peak? I saw 45 148 heading south through Durham on a special on Saturday, 31st May 1986. I took the attached picture but unfortunately it doesnt exactly show the coaches but believe me it was a rake of Sealink Mk1s. In 83/84, some very progressive management in the ScR...resulted in TayRail... This initiative used the Sealink stock regularly to run Adexes all over the UK rail system. I travelled on several of these when I was living at Leuchars including destinations like Hull and Camarthen....I'll see if I can find some pics!!! Later, Stu from EGDL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted February 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2015 definitely E ? or did you mean P? Sorry, yes. I always got Experimental and Electrical mixed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Intercity livery began to be more widely introduced after 83, although a variation was worn on the APTE before that. Certainly it was the model for most of the subsequent passenger sector liveries that were introduced over the following years. It doesn't imply it sufficiently to make the sweeping statement you made for which I honestly think you should apologise. Apologies to any one annoyed by my statement, although I do think it could have been better written. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I was referring to the statement "In 1982, sectorisation of British Rail led to a number of new liveries.." as appears on the web page linked to above. This is actually correct, just a shame the details appear to imply the Sealink livery was applied by Provincial, but that is incorrect On 04 January 1982 Bob Reid implemented the BR Business Sectors (Sectorisation) London & South East (which eventually became Network SouthEast) InterCity Provincial Freight & Parcels The InterCity livery was launched at the end of 1982, with one Class 86, one Class 87, the Lakeland Pullman set and one entire HST completed This initial livery was slightly modified and applied to one Class 47 before the end of the year but it wasn't until the beginning of 1983 that this livery was fully introduced By this time two HSTs had been completed, but they were hastily corrected The Freight livery was also launched the same day, by using a brand new Class 58 The Parcels services used mainly locos hired for passenger duties and so a livery for this was deferred until the Royal Mail contract was renewed, and on completion the livery was applied from 1988 As a result locos that were likely to be transferred in the near future had Large Logo Blue applied The LSE livery was also launched but was not well received by the travelling public Just prior to this Sealink wanted their own livery (as the then Director knew sectorisation was coming) and the livery was applied just BEFORE sectorisation The coaches were then allocated to Provincial, which a few days later was split into two with the subsidiary becoming ScotRail Sadly an assessment of the rolling stock was already underway at ScotRail (and Provincial) in preparation for Sprinterisation As a result it was decided not to immediately launch a livery, which in turn created its own issue ScotRail was about to launch and so a modified version of the InterCity livery was used, which was intended to ease transfer of rolling stock once the Sprinters had been introduced (as the remaining stock would be withdrawn) Sadly this didn't match any of the planned Sprinter liveries As a consequence of the late delivery of Sprinters and impending maintenance the TransPennine coaches received this livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The first Sealink liveried coach was Mk1 bogied SK SC24848 in 1983 but the livey was subsequently modified for the further repaints in 1984 with the application of the white band above the windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Your quite right Mark. For a few years the L&H coaches were in this livery too. Well it does connect to boats! Kev. Boats which for a period wore the BR emblem on their funnels since they were built by the Furness Rly which became part of the LMS... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Boats which for a period wore the BR emblem on their funnels since they were built by the Furness Rly which became part of the LMS... BR Sealink began life in 1970, accordingly the Lake Windermere excursion steamers became part of and were operated by the BR Sealink empire until privatisation in 1984, so the L&HR coach was quite appropriate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 And as with the photo above of one at Kingswear. Was not the Dartmouth ferry part of Sealink also ? Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6975 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I remember seeing a Sealink rake arrive at Bristol TM in the late 80s on a relief from Glasgow. Can't remember where they were going, but they went past TM, so Exeter at least (reliefs never ran to Taunton at the time). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander22b Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I seem to recall the lakeside and Haverthwaite line gained at least one sealink coach as I'm sure I can remember seeing one there when I was younger? Mark I think the sealink coaches on the L&HR wore a different style of sealink livery more in keeping with the buses operated by Lancaster City Transport on sevices to link with the Isle of Man ferries at Heysham, even having the red roof. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ewood_eddie1968/4385790628/in/gallery-faversham-gallery-72157626498466715/ The only pictures I can find on Flickr seems to confirm this, albeit not very clear. https://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfie59/8578886800/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/89542201@N03/8154404014/ Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Jackson Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 I have the collectors club double pack and the standard release coaches. Would BR have mixed and matched with normal livery stock? I only seem to be able to find pictures where there are rakes of 8 or more, or singles on a preserved line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 I according to this picture once the Stranraer boat trains ended some of the coaches were used on normal services. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Philip Jackson said: I have the collectors club double pack and the standard release coaches. Would BR have mixed and matched with normal livery stock? I only seem to be able to find pictures where there are rakes of 8 or more, or singles on a preserved line 35070 was used as a spare BSK at Preston for a few years. The ELR eventually bought it around 1986. Edited February 26, 2020 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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