Cliff Williams Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Speaking to Heljan at Model Rail Glasgow there is some thought to a new O Gauge Class 37 version being done. It would appear to be very early days on this, but they are thinking of a centre headcode 37/0 which could be done in green and blue. Personally I think they would do well with a large logo blue 37/4, finish it without numbers. Yes there are detail differences on the 37/4s - I know as I am building a few just now, but these could be addressed by the purchaser. The downside though are the numbers - up to 800 units with the one mould. So is there a demand for a 37/4 LLB? I think there is as I had friends rattle off a dozen in a few minutes, then the Gent from Newcastle who spied my DJH 37 402 being showed to Heljan said there could be another dozen needed there. So show your interest here and lets see if a 37/4 LLB is economically viable for them. To whet your appetite here is a picture of my 37 402 passing a lightly modified Heljan 37. Edited February 23, 2015 by Cliff Williams 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I personally think that now Heljan are getting close to JLTRT prices, I would go for the more accurate JLTRT kit myself. Phill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hi Cliff and Phil My own preference would be a 37/0 as it would be suitable for a longer time frame from BR Green onwards and covered a large area of the country whereas, the 37/4's were a small sub class mainly though not exclusivly allocated to Scotland and 6 for Wales and the borders. Phil, up to a point I would agree, but, the off putting word in your post is "kit" which means either you have to have the skills to build it(which I don't) or get it built and painted which would push the cost at into 4 figures. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Phil Phil, up to a point I would agree, but, the off putting word in your post is "kit" which means either you have to have the skills to build it(which I don't) or get it built and painted which would push the cost at into 4 figures. Ian I wouldn't let that put you off Ian, they really are very simple glue together kits. Phill Edited February 23, 2015 by Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I know a 37/0 would be very popular, I too have been asking for this one for a while as I keep getting asked by my customers. Let's hope it happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Yes, 37/0 makes far more sense. Bigger market to go at and can be more easily adapted into other versions. Harder to go backwards from the 37/4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverstreak Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I agree that the JLTRT kit would make a more accurate model. Nevertheless no matter how easy they are to put together by the time you buy motor/motors, wheels and gears paint decals then figure out how fit lights the Heljan starts to look a more attractive choice,. After weighing up the same issues in the end I choose a Heljan 40 and for now I can live with its body niggles I too would plum for a centre headcode 37/0 but it would need to be an improvement over their previous split box version Regards Bob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 JLTRT are not 100% easy to build at all. Even Brian is struggling with the 22 at the moment Often body parts don't line up, roofs wrong shape compare to the body. End walls that don't match the profile of the sides. Poorly thought through build order resulting in lots of bodging and filler to make things right. But with the right work they do make up into a nice representation of the real thing. Anyway, back on topic. Do the right thing Heljan, do the 37/0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 If only I modeled O scale...I really want a Class 37/0 to start with. Though if I could save up money I'd buy one just to sit and look at PS: Are they planning on doing anything to the Class 47 which had a few errors? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic17 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Yes definitely a 37/0 centre headcode - they would sell loads (JUST MAKE SURE THEY GET THE FRONT CAB WINDOWS AT THE CORRECT ANGLE!!!!!!!!!!!) if it is a new mould and don't create the Class 40 problems. As has been said above a 37/4 can be made from a 37/0 with a little bit of effort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I personally think that now Heljan are getting close to JLTRT prices, I would go for the more accurate JLTRT kit myself. Phill i was contemplating the Heljan 40 or JLTRT but for me I have little time so Heljan won and to be honest I could overlook the incorrect details, that's my view anyway. I would love a centre Headcode 37 maybe a centre Headcode 20 as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverstreak Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) One issue I would urge Heljan to get right on any new 37 would be to add front window surround seals to the body moulding and not as part of the glazing as per their first 37 release It looks cxxx on a 4mm Bachmann version and to my mind spoilt Heljan first 37 attempt The Heljan 40 has them so no excuse should they come back with a new Class 37 Edited February 23, 2015 by Silverstreak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Why are Heljan moulds only good for 800 shots, I had heard that before but didn't think it was true ~ just interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 JLTRT are not 100% easy to build at all. Even Brian is struggling with the 22 at the moment Often body parts don't line up, roofs wrong shape compare to the body. End walls that don't match the profile of the sides. Poorly thought through build order resulting in lots of bodging and filler to make things right. But with the right work they do make up into a nice representation of the real thing. Anyway, back on topic. Do the right thing Heljan, do the 37/0. Only problem with the 22 I have seen is Brian's wise choice to make the bogie side frames removable.........as I say Heljan's multiple faults & £500+ price tag make the a poor deal for me personally ( I own 4 Heljan O gauge loco's) Phill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Only problem with the 22 I have seen is Brian's wise choice to make the bogie side frames removable.........as I say Heljan's multiple faults & £500+ price tag make the a poor deal for me personally ( I own 4 Heljan O gauge loco's) Phill i do agree with you to some degree, the deltic was pretty bad, but maybe I was being too critical. It wouldn't take much to get their models nearer the mark. Edited February 23, 2015 by delticfan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I agree the 37/0 would be a better choice although if they do the skirted version they are only suitable for green, blue and 37183 in Large logo, whereas the cut away version is suitable for Blue and a myriad of other colours right up to current day. I was seriously tempted by their split box 37/0 but it had a look of being scaled up from the second release Bachmann 4mm version as a lot of the detail was clunky and there are similarities in the windscreen and roof which had the same deficiencies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 A non skirted 37/0 would be a great shout, come on Heljan you know it makes sense, and while you are at it, can we please have some more 47's please ????????? we can only prey !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR_Blue_1986 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Well, if this happened and was a success would that mean a different 47 variant possibly too? This is good news for me meaning I can concentrate on other kits. Edited February 23, 2015 by BR_Blue_1986 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR_Blue_1986 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I would say large logo, blue, green and maybe something exotic like triple grey to go with the 60's? Or just skip the green Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I think the original would be the best option, then with after market detailing parts from maybe Pete Harvey you could create any of the sub variants. I wouldn't under estimate how popular the green version would be. I hope this happens then who knows maybe we will get a retooled 47 as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR_Blue_1986 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 This could be what most of the Heljan purchasers have been wanting for a while. I'm always hearing people saying they only do as built never the variants. I also wonder how mk2 coaching stock wild also sell? Getting ahead of myself . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 37/0..!! Must resist.... must..... resist...... Oh bother....better start saving.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 37/0..!! Must resist.... must..... resist...... Oh bother....better start saving.... not for FoD use... oh, well just one... maybe you ought to be putting the case for a Teddy Bear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) I think the campaign for the teddy bear is gathering momentum but that's another topic, Back to the 37 & Based on what I've heard the original version seems to be the popular choice. Edited February 24, 2015 by steve fay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) not for FoD use... oh, well just one... maybe you ought to be putting the case for a Teddy Bear Yes, for FoD use... a 37/0 pulled the last wagons from Marsh Wharf in 1976. It was 37 270.As for Teddy Bears.... anyone want a half-finished PRMRP (or whatever it is) kit?? Edited February 25, 2015 by F-UnitMad 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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