Driving standards

[Titan]

20 minutes ago, kevinlms said:

Hilarious to blame posters (me) for asking the question about whether or not they were on the phone.

 

And why not?  It is a question that is impossible to answer and therefore pointless, and you knew that when asking.  The only purpose asking it serves is to satisfy yours and others prejudice, rather than any objective point.

[kevinlms]

1 hour ago, Titan said:

 

And why not?  It is a question that is impossible to answer and therefore pointless, and you knew that when asking.  The only purpose asking it serves is to satisfy yours and others prejudice, rather than any objective point.

Driving while on the phone is common, as well as dangerous. It is a well known and for some strange reason!, it is illegal, so not a prejudiced question.

 

More nonsense from you. Go get on your phone and take your car for a spin.

[leopardml2341]

Every car I've driven has had adaptive cruise control, even my first; a mark 2 Ford Escort.

 

It goes like this:

 

1. Look as far ahead and around as practical 
2. Process received information 
3. Adjust rate of progress as required by the conditions using a combination of the methods taught during lessons
4. Apply same principles every time behind the wheel
5. (Optional) take advanced driving coaching and test

 

#simples

[SamThomas]

It's all very well pointing out that the section of road in question had black ice & the rest of the carriageway did not. Most vehicles had outside temperature monitoring/warnings so most of thes "drivers" would be aware that the road surface was less than perfect.

 

A compentent driver (& clearly many of these were not) will assume that the road surface could very well be icy in low temperatures.

 

Grit/salting should be considered an "aid" not a "fix".

 

All the ABS/traction control/other electronic aids are useless when the roads are icy.

 

Far too many people get caught out because they simply cannot drive a vehicle without all these aids.

[Flying Pig]

9 hours ago, leopardml2341 said:

Every car I've driven has had adaptive cruise control, even my first; a mark 2 Ford Escort.

 

It goes like this:

 

1. Look as far ahead and around as practical 
2. Process received information 
3. Adjust rate of progress as required by the conditions using a combination of the methods taught during lessons
4. Apply same principles every time behind the wheel
5. (Optional) take advanced driving coaching and test

 

#simples

 

Can be hard work though, when the software for a busy motorway is running in your and a very few other heads, with every other brain apparently idling.

[Coldgunner]

My 12 year old Golf gives a cold weather 'bong' at about 4c I think

 

...not that kind of bong!

[boxbrownie]

12 hours ago, Coldgunner said:

My 12 year old Golf gives a cold weather 'bong' at about 4c I think

 

...not that kind of bong!

It was the USA could well have been several of those motorist were indeed on the “other” kind of Bong 

[leopardml2341]

On 02/12/2021 at 18:27, Flying Pig said:

 

Can be hard work though, when the software for a busy motorway is running in your and a very few other heads, with every other brain apparently idling.

Or indeed displaying the eggtimer

[Titan]

Or even worse the screen saver...

[Guest]

17 hours ago, Coldgunner said:

My 12 year old Golf gives a cold weather 'bong' at about 4c I think

 

...not that kind of bong!

 

My Seat does it at 4c too. Must be a VAG thing all my other cars held off 'till 3c

Edited December 4, 2021 by 30801

[leopardml2341]

4°C on my MG5

 

3°C on previous car; Dacia Sandero and one before that (Mitsubishi Colt)

[StuAllen]

Not all new cars have ice warnings, my last 2 Mercedes’ haven’t and I’d prefer it if they did. They do show the outside temperature on one of the screens but it’s not shown all of the time (unlike the speed in kph - who needs that!).
 

As an example, when I left home yesterday the temperature was 5C, it wasn’t icy, as I drove to Brighton the temperature dropped down to 0C, there wasn’t any indication it got colder without looking at the temperature indicator - I could not feel it in my nice warm car, the road didn’t look any different, but at 0C the damp looking patch could be black ice rather than just being damp. I suspect that’s what happened on the bridge in the video, but by the time you realise it’s too late to do anything about it.
 

I get it that you shouldn’t need fancy electronics to be aware of the conditions but it’s a driver aid, design to help make better decisions quicker - no different to the blind spot indicator you see on wing mirrors now - do I need them? No, but would I miss them if they weren’t there? Yes.

 

[boxbrownie]

3 hours ago, StuAllen said:

Not all new cars have ice warnings, my last 2 Mercedes’ haven’t and I’d prefer it if they did. They do show the outside temperature on one of the screens but it’s not shown all of the time (unlike the speed in kph - who needs that!).
 

As an example, when I left home yesterday the temperature was 5C, it wasn’t icy, as I drove to Brighton the temperature dropped down to 0C, there wasn’t any indication it got colder without looking at the temperature indicator - I could not feel it in my nice warm car, the road didn’t look any different, but at 0C the damp looking patch could be black ice rather than just being damp. I suspect that’s what happened on the bridge in the video, but by the time you realise it’s too late to do anything about it.
 

I get it that you shouldn’t need fancy electronics to be aware of the conditions but it’s a driver aid, design to help make better decisions quicker - no different to the blind spot indicator you see on wing mirrors now - do I need them? No, but would I miss them if they weren’t there? Yes.

 

That’s interesting, the last two MB we had both showed a ICE symbol when temps got low, they were both late 2000 models a CLS and an ML.

[leopardml2341]

12 hours ago, leopardml2341 said:

4°C on my MG

Not sure if it's a permanent or transient warning,  will report back when it next appears.

[boxbrownie]

4 minutes ago, leopardml2341 said:

Not sure if it's a permanent or transient warning,  will report back when it next appears.

All the “frost” warnings we’ve had on vehicles usually show a snowflake and it stays on while the temp is low.

[jcredfer]

Freelander II and Mazda 3 both "bong" at 4deg and stay on whilst in the conditions.

 

 

[Reorte]

4 hours ago, StuAllen said:

I get it that you shouldn’t need fancy electronics to be aware of the conditions but it’s a driver aid, design to help make better decisions quicker - no different to the blind spot indicator you see on wing mirrors now - do I need them? No, but would I miss them if they weren’t there? Yes.

 

Cars full of fancy electronics are something I find irritating but I wouldn't regard a thermometer that triggered a light as fancy electronics, just rather simple electronics (although knowing how things go these days it'll be a ludicrously complicated implementation using fancy electronics).

 

3 degrees on my Astra, and being a bit too in to the fancy electronics even on an 11-year old car it's a message that pops up then disappears once you've cancelled it.

Edited December 5, 2021 by Reorte

[Hibelroad]

I have a rather old Tiguan which I have had from nearly new. It’s been a good work horse but is now high mileage and had a number of faults over the years. Whenever it hits 4 degrees it pings, which frightens me to death as I think oh no, what’s gone wrong now. 

[StuAllen]

1 hour ago, boxbrownie said:

That’s interesting, the last two MB we had both showed a ICE symbol when temps got low, they were both late 2000 models a CLS and an ML.

Funnily enough I had the same models - a 2013 CLS and a 2016 GLE, they both seem to share the same software. Looking on some of the MB forums it seems a few people have asked the question, the view is MB don’t want to give a false sense of security

[Guest]

23 hours ago, Reorte said:

 

Cars full of fancy electronics are something I find irritating but I wouldn't regard a thermometer that triggered a light as fancy electronics, just rather simple electronics (although knowing how things go these days it'll be a ludicrously complicated implementation using fancy electronics).

 

It's just software. There's a temperature sensor somewhere. There's a light somewhere. There's no direct connection between the two.

[leopardml2341]

3 hours ago, 30801 said:

 

It's just software...........

Phrases like that immediately strike fear into  me 

[Reorte]

23 hours ago, leopardml2341 said:

Phrases like that immediately strike fear into  me 

Ditto.

 

I write the stuff!

 

edit to add - not for cars, before anyone suddenly decides they'd better never go anywhere near a road again.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Reorte

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Reorte said:

Ditto.

 

I write the stuff!

 

So do I but nothing critical. Although a customer once told me something needed fixing fast or an oil rig would have to be shut down. I still can't figure out what they could have possibly been doing for that to ever be a thing.

[TheQ]

My 1984 Landrover gives a warning of frost......

 

 

It gets darn cold in the cabin...

[boxbrownie]

56 minutes ago, TheQ said:

My 1984 Landrover gives a warning of frost......

 

 

It gets darn cold in the cabin...

And a visual warning…..your fingers turn blue!