mervyn Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Keep it going Kevin enjoying the topic ! even if there is a lack of copper topped chimneys and brass safety valve covers !!! That compound looks in great" ran in" condition !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Mervyn If I had swung the lens 30 degrees left, you could have seen Lionel's idea of what a Hall Class looks like ....... Actually, it is a very good model, but the green is a really weird colour, so I have invested in lining-transfers, and it will get painted in BR black, once the spray-booth (a.k.a. Garden) warms up and dries off a bit. Some other GWR engines, and carriages, are expected to visit soon, so more photos will follow. The Compound is clearly a lady with a shady past. She looks as if she is on her original spoons, and neither they, nor anything in the mechanism, look very worn, yet her tin work has clearly taken a severe battering at some point, and lots of the lettering/lining has rubbed off too. I was going to repaint, but will probably do no more than fit a couple of new handrail knobs and straighten things out a bit. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervyn Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Hi Kevin agree with on the Compound it looks great as is ! Im waiting for the Ace prairie tank to arrive ,I have been tempted by the Lionel halls but they do seem a bit pricey and I am concerned that they are AC and if its a big job to remove the gubbins and convert them to DC? must confess my favourite loco at the moment is an ACE BR Black lined M7 what a stunner!"!!! and runs so sweetly! just want to persuade Ace to do an 02 loco next! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Aha! I haven't been to collect my M7 yet, but have high expectations, given what has been said about them. I can't imagine that any amount of badgering will persuade Mr L to commission an O2, but worth a try! A Prairie is scheduled to be a visiting loco to my layout, and is eagerly awaited. Do you have the Pannier or the City? Both very nice locos indeed, and both visitors. The Hall was exceedingly good value, the whole set including track, coaches etc, for under £200, brand new, but I was very lucky to get one at that price. I bought it largely because it entertains children (ours, cousins, visitors etc) with all the noises and smoke, and prevents them roaring my locos around. It is the Lionchief one, which takes a DC or AC track supply, and is controlled by a radio-remote. I set the supply to c10V, using my ordinary 20V DC controller, which prevents the children achieving escape velocity on the curves, even with the remote set to "full belt". No alterations to the loco, nothing. The owner of the visiting GWR engines has an earlier one, which arrived AC-configured, but he was able to fillet it of rectifier and electronic reverser very easily, and it is now straight DC track controlled. Do you have a layout yourself? Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Metropolitan H Posted January 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2016 As the owner of the visiting Lionel made "Kinlet Hall" I would recommend them as good value to any "O" gauge Coarse scale 7mm scale enthusiast. The shapes and mouldings are a very good, close to scale, representation of Kinlet Hall as it runs now, with large tender. The only down side is the slightly lurid green paint, but I have grown to live with that. The modern Lionel motors are good quality DC can motors with flywheel. To get rid of the AC gubbins and the sound system (that really needs American 60Hz electric) took no more than 30 mins - including two soldered wire joints. The only other modifications I made were a shorter loco to tender coupler - to stop the fireman having to be a long-jump specialist - and replacement of the tender back buckeye coupler with a Darstaed / ACE / B-L type hook and single link coupler, about another 45 mins work for the two jobs. Looks very good with a train of ACE Trains Collet and Hawksworth coaches. I haven't worked out how to add photos yet, so no picture till after my next visit to Birlstone. Regards Chris H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervyn Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Morning Kevin looks like I might be after a Lionel hall for the fleet!!! I was looking at an Ace Castle but the prices even secondhand for those seem to be astronomical I have a layout around the shed but its a bit cold and damp at the moment. I have negotiated a long term borrow of the front bedroom so have just started exploring putting a smallish 3 rail layout in there will post some pics when I get some track down! looking forward to the prairie arriving I do have a Bulldog loco and a couple of panniers both Ace and Darstaed the Darstaed takes a bit of running in though unlike the the new Ace stuff which really runs well straight out of the box the M7 really crawls along superb loco! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 OK, posting linked to a discussions of LBSCR-themed micro-layouts that are going on elsewhere on RMWeb. ' Birlstone' has always been intended to have a branch to a tiny, tiny terminus, called 'Lamberley', but that idea has been temporarily shelved, and replaced with covered fiddle-yard, which makes using the tumble-drier a lot easier. Well ....... All this tiny layout talk made me look at the top of our bookshelves ........ Herewith a mock-up of what could be accommodated, put together using what was within arm's reach. Actually the plank used here is, by a few inches in each case, both shorter and narrower than the space available (2200x400). So, this is at least proves that the tiny terminus could host visits from trains of two bogie coaches, or three six-wheelers. Setting probably "urban and cramped", with lots of brick-work, and enamel adverts everywhere, so maybe "Lamberley Square/Street/Road/Gardens". K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Delightful; you must do this thing. The advantage of using a bookcase for your project is that it doesn't need to get shelved. Sorry, couldn't help myself. London yellow Brick urban? 'Lamberley' is a great name, BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I agree. It won't take long to build, so you must do it. Start a topic in the Boxfiles, Micro layouts & Dioramas Forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Cor blimey, Guvnor! There's I, steppin' rahnd that hobvious pun-hoppertunity, like its somefink wot the dog 'as dun, and you 'as to pick it up! Yes, South london, c1910, so that dear old "Lamberley Green" is no longer very green at all, as per Camberwell https://www.flickr.com/photos/tatinauk/3679434756 The name is, again, stolen from Sir AC-D, specifically The Adventure of The Sussex Vampire, but I've moved the location. This is a serious plan (unlike most of mine), because I want a very portable thing to take to gatherings and shows. I think that a "brick and enamel adverts" setting could be done in a style in-keeping with tinplate trains. Not fine-scale, but not "carpet toy" either. K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I read Camberwell as Camberwick at first, and was imagining an urban scene more like this http://www.epguides.com/CamberwickGreen/cast.jpg There are lots of ideas evolving in my warped mind, but fortunately for the rest of the world, lack of time, money and space should keep most of them there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I assume that, by the time you have placed a platform behind the run-around, you're talking low-relief. Station building; on the platform or over the line? Buildings, shops, houses, industrial or institutional, street façade or rears? I notice that you have placed a 'bus on the bridge. Splendid. There will be Finescale modellers having apoplectic fits everywhere you turn. Anything like these scenes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Nah, Mate, that's Trumpton, that is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Emerging, rough, idea, proportions all wrong. The idea is that the station and brickwork acts as a sort of neutral background (basically lots of brick-colour), against which the shiny trains stand out. And,the idea of using a lot of enamel advertising signs is to provide visual interest, colour, and a link with the shiny look of the trains. A few women in highly-coloured dresses will help too. Somewhere, in an ancient magazine, I have a photo of a BL shop window display layout from pre-WW1, which worked on this basis, and can act as a reference point. The aesthetic is quite different from modern fine scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 That looks good, and it will certainly be different. Presumably you highlight the coarseness of everything, rather than try to hide it, like us finer scale modellers do. I was thinking that if I was doing it I'd be ballasting over the sleepers, as your drawing shows, which would really set the period and location , like Kirtleypete has with Saltdean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 These show the sort of look to aim for. Both layouts are actually Gauge 1 from 1910 magazines, and the colour one is contemporary(ish) but from a modern auction catalogue. Plain, neat, square, proportionate, but devoid of micro-details that couldn't be printed, and NO weathering. (Weathering of models, except smearing soot under bridges, was considered a SIN until c1940s - The Rev Beal effectively says as much in his books) Ballast was variable. Some layouts had ballast, but a lot, even of the very top-notch, didn't, even into the early 1950s. K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 That's pretty impressive for layouts from 1910. Shame I can't get away with naming the station on "Small, Broad and Totally Pointless" Paddington, or maybe Penzance in view of the waterside front edge! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Railway modelling got pretty sophisticated between about 1909 and 1915, but then went into a bit of a decline, presumably because so many of the natural constituency, youngish guys with a love of "technical pursuits" went to war and never came back. For the few that could afford good r-t-r, the products were rather nice, not toy-like. The one below has been restored to original condition, and is about five million miles outside my price bracket! Best of all were the printed tin wagons and coaches - way, way above what Hornby produced when they started in railways in the 1920s. The fact that most of the best r-t-r, including the loco below, was made in Germany had rather a bearing on the WW1 downturn in the hobby, too, of course. K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Put finer wheels, brakes and a thinner handrail on it, and you'd get way with it on many finescale layouts. It would make a nice visitor to Holman's End, on loan from the Colonel's neighbours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 A couple more sketches, with the baseboard size now 8ft x 16in, because I know that this will allow for slightly bigger locos to run-round. This will definitely work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervyn Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 superb new layout ideas Kevin looking forward to seeing it ,especially as it is 3 rail !!! and that maldon track looks great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janner Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I love it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 Thanks for the encouragement, Mervyn. (And Janner, we crossed in the e-ther) Well...... A hunt in the "bits of plywood" stash is pointing to a narrower layout, a mere 300mm wide, because if I opt for that, no new wood will have to be purchased. In fact, barely any sawing will be necessary, so this is looking a good way forward. More mocking-up has ensued, and the loss of width is no real problem. What might be is a points shortage, because I only have 2xY and 1xRH in the 38" radius, and it would be more interesting with 4xY. Anyway, below are two halves of a mock layout, assuming the 4xY to exist. The arches under the walkway to the street ,made from the children's building blocks, look rather good, so will make it into the final design. K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I love this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 You don't need the ply to be the full width of the baseboard. You could just have a frame under the platform and buildings. Or maybe some shellaced corrugated card. I'm sure that would be a material familiar to contemporary modellers (shellaced card anyway, not necessarily corrugated). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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