hucknall byron Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Can anyone help please. I have a new (1 year old) Bachmann class 40 D211 with sound. From being a really good runner straight out of the box it has started to run very erratically, sound breaking up , jerky running and even stopping. This has been a slow deteriation and the model has not had a lot of time on the rails. I don't want to return it as it is probably out of warrenty anyway. Did I read somewere that there was an initial problem with this model with an easy fix? If so I would be very greatfull for any help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Ava_Hay Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Can anyone help please. I have a new (1 year old) Bachmann class 40 D211 with sound. From being a really good runner straight out of the box it has started to run very erratically, sound breaking up , jerky running and even stopping. This has been a slow deteriation and the model has not had a lot of time on the rails. I don't want to return it as it is probably out of warrenty anyway. Did I read somewere that there was an initial problem with this model with an easy fix? If so I would be very greatfull for any help. My first reaction is to suggest that the wheels, pick ups and rails need a thorough clean using IPA or another cleaning agent. Slow deterioration in performance is rarely the way a decoder would behave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted October 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 1, 2015 I hope cleaning does the trick but also check the spring contacts between loco and speaker. I don''t want to be a prophet of doom but I ended up putting a stay alive in mine as none of the above cured the problems I experienced.. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Can anyone help please. I have a new (1 year old) Bachmann class 40 D211 with sound. From being a really good runner straight out of the box it has started to run very erratically, sound breaking up , jerky running and even stopping. This has been a slow deteriation and the model has not had a lot of time on the rails. I don't want to return it as it is probably out of warrenty anyway. Did I read somewere that there was an initial problem with this model with an easy fix? If so I would be very greatfull for any help. See this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/51724-Bachmann-class-40-32-475dc-and-32-480ds Problems with poor pick-up due to non conductive grease etc have been well documented in the above thread. IIRC all D211's were delayed in arriving due to Bachmann checking and cleaning every example before they were dispatched. The only long time fix, it to fit extra pick-ups to bypass the problem, as your example now shows, just cleaning etc is not a long term solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 See this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/51724-Bachmann-class-40-32-475dc-and-32-480ds Problems with poor pick-up due to non conductive grease etc have been well documented in the above thread. IIRC all D211's were delayed in arriving due to Bachmann checking and cleaning every example before they were dispatched. The only long time fix, it to fit extra pick-ups to bypass the problem, as your example now shows, just cleaning etc is not a long term solution. We cleaned up the grease and relubricated with conductive grease, also put in a stay alive from ESU.. She now runs like a dream. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucknall byron Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 Thanks for the replies. Reading the thread on the subject ( thanks for pointing me in the right direction by the way) It seems that I am not the only one. I have emailed Bachmann to see if they will have a look under warrenty before I take the top off and have a look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucknall byron Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 Well credit where it's due. Bachmann offered to sort it out even though I had no receipt (from santa). Just got it back and its fine. Well done Bachmann. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Well credit where it's due. Bachmann offered to sort it out even though I had no receipt (from santa). Just got it back and its fine. Well done Bachmann. It's worth considering that "every" example of D211 was cleaned of the problem grease and tested by Bachmann BEFORE any were released for sale. As you and others have found out, this works in the short term, but the problem appears to come back with use. Question is: after being cleaned now for a second time, how long will it run properly before the problem comes back again ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucknall byron Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 I appreciate what you are saying tractor as some people were saying that the non conductive grease was only part of the problem and poor running may return. My point was that Bachmann have had a look at my model and you never know may have cured it longterm? I think that was commendable bearing in mind that I had owned the model for near on a year and had no proof of purchase. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimbamoss Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 We cleaned up the grease and relubricated with conductive grease, also put in a stay alive from ESU.. She now runs like a dream. Charlie Hi Charlie, Which conductive grease did you use? Copperslip? Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 We cleaned up the grease and relubricated with conductive grease, also put in a stay alive from ESU.. She now runs like a dream. Charlie Aye the "stay alive" is probably masking any poor pick-up problems, how well does it run if you disconnect it....................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Aye the "stay alive" is probably masking any poor pick-up problems, how well does it run if you disconnect it....................... Not much point of disconnecting it if it working nicely. Will leave it. The Bachmann 40 has pickups only on 8 wheels, running would be helper with additional pickups on the centre wheel. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucknall byron Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Spoke too soon. Bachmanns D211 is back to running like a bag of nails. How easy is it to fit either more pick ups and/or a stay live? Cant be doing with it as it is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2018 Spoke too soon. Bachmanns D211 is back to running like a bag of nails. How easy is it to fit either more pick ups and/or a stay live? Cant be doing with it as it is Worth having a look at this post http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/51724-Bachmann-class-40-32-475dc-and-32-480ds/page-25 All of that thread is full of good gen You should get this sort of running Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) When I bought D369 it ran superbly and Phil G remarked that I must have been very lucky! Later I bought D211 to play sound on analogue and I was disappointed - the sound file would keep restarting. Sadly as Phil has said the models need wipers touching the backs of the wheels rather than Bachmann's innovative live wheel bearings (did I hear someone say split axles?). I pinched phosphor bronze pickups from my scrap box, some came from an old DoG tender whilst others came of an old Dapol Castle chassis. It was a straightforward solder job.Additional Pickups Edited October 10, 2018 by Silver Sidelines 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hucknall byron Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 Thanks for the info, I will get my " techy" on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2018 When I bought D369 it ran superbly and Phil G remarked that I must have been very lucky! Later I bought D211 to play sound on analogue and I was disappointed - the sound file would keep restarting. Sadly as Phil has said the models need wipers touching the backs of the wheels rather than Bachmann's innovative live wheel bearings (did I hear someone say split axles?). I pinched phosphor bronze pickups from my scrap box, some came from an old DoG tender whilst others came of an old Dapol Castle chassis. It was a straightforward solder job. Additional Pickups Can't see if SilverLines has done it here but I've added pickups to the middle axle as well. Slaters do a packet of phospher pick up material for very little money, got mine from ebay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Short answer Mike, no not the middle axle. Can't see if SilverLines has done it here but I've added pickups to the middle axle. That might make the soldering too complicated for the likes of myself. Someone else will know but I am wondering if the latest cClass 40s from Bachmann only have pickups to the outer wheels? Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 22, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2022 Sorry to reopen an old thread My D211 ran fine when I test ran it about three years ago now it is very glitchy I've cleaned the wheels and a bit better but nowhere near as good as the latest one Is copper grease conductive and how easy is it to fit a stay alive? Also as anyone got a function key list for 211 please as it seems different to the latest one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 22, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, russ p said: Sorry to reopen an old thread My D211 ran fine when I test ran it about three years ago now it is very glitchy I've cleaned the wheels and a bit better but nowhere near as good as the latest one Is copper grease conductive and how easy is it to fit a stay alive? Also as anyone got a function key list for 211 please as it seems different to the latest one Have you tried adding wiper pickups Russ? Latest one has them as new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 22, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: Have you tried adding wiper pickups Russ? Latest one has them as new. I haven't Phil, I was wondering if stay alive was the easier option When I cleaned the wheels I noticed it doesn't pick up on centre driving wheels on each bogie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 22, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, russ p said: I haven't Phil, I was wondering if stay alive was the easier option When I cleaned the wheels I noticed it doesn't pick up on centre driving wheels on each bogie Spot on …. That’s the problem. With a 3 axle bogie any uneven track means the centre axle plus only one other set of wheels will be in contact with the track. That axle needs pick ups. Haven’t tried a stay alive though….. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 22, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: Spot on …. That’s the problem. With a 3 axle bogie any uneven track means the centre axle plus only one other set of wheels will be in contact with the track. That axle needs pick ups. Haven’t tried a stay alive though….. Cheers Phil, since I sent my last post I've been texting a mate who is on here and he has converted one to P4 and has had to make new pickups and is actually quite easy so that is route I'm going to take 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 22, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2022 My new one has a brake function but D211 seems quite uncontrollable, Any ideas what CVs need changing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 22, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, russ p said: Cheers Phil, since I sent my last post I've been texting a mate who is on here and he has converted one to P4 and has had to make new pickups and is actually quite easy so that is route I'm going to take That will fix it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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