Ray Von Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Hello, is anyone aware of any contemporarily available N gauge tanker wagons that would suit my SR layout, particularly Thanet, Ashford and Canterbury locality - which I think I'm right in saying would involve a lot of oil tankers? Farish do a few but I'm finding it hard to get the era right. 1976 - 81 (ish) thanks all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Hello, is anyone aware of any contemporarily available N gauge tanker wagons that would suit my SR layout, particularly Thanet, Ashford and Canterbury locality - which I think I'm right in saying would involve a lot of oil tankers? Farish do a few but I'm finding it hard to get the era right. 1976 - 81 (ish) thanks all.I don't think there were that many services that used tank wagons in the immediate area you describe. There were (small) oil depots at Canterbury West and Dover (Bulwark St); the latter was BP, whilst the other was a distributor. Neither was served by particularly long trains; perhaps ten four-wheel tankers at most, of the TTA/TTB type. Apart from this, the only other regular tank traffic you might see would be single tanks, of a much older design, carrying de-icing fluid from 'Kilfrost' of Haltwhistle. Richborough power station might have had occasional trains of heavy fuel oil, but these would probably run straight down the Chatham main line from Hoo to Dover via Faversham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Thanks FC, fortunately I am quite keen on having some four wheeled tankers on my layout, so that's OK. These are the sort of thing in considering: Does anyone know if they are appropriate for my late 70's layout? I particularly like the first Shell/BP tanker... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Top left, a bit too old I think. Although there were some like that in a siding at Grain into the 80s, they didn't get out on the main line. Top right, OK, probably remove the ladders and replace with something thinner? Bottom left for powders, don't think they ever got to Kent, worked out of the ICI places in the NW (Runcorn area?). Bottom right for cement, not sure if they got to E Kent, and those 1xxxx-series straight ones are more 1980s. In the 70s you'd be seeing the "chevron" depressed centre ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Thanks FC, fortunately I am quite keen on having some four wheeled tankers on my layout, so that's OK. These are the sort of thing in considering: Does anyone know if they are appropriate for my late 70's layout? I particularly like the first Shell/BP tanker... The first wagon is a type that stopped being used on main lines in the late 1960s. The second are the sort you'd have seen around the area you're modelling. The third is a powder tanker, used to distribute soda ash; not seen down here, I'm afraid The last one is a cement tanker/hopper of a sort seen in the north of Kent, but not down this end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 What about these which are more recent than the Peco TTA http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/image_box.php?image=images1/farish/373-776E.jpg&cat_no=373-776E&info=0&width=650&height=331 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Thanks guys, so it's either of these two? And/or the one in Woodenhead's link. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
csiedmo Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Thanks guys, so it's either of these two? And/or the one in Woodenhead's link. :-) I could be wrong here, but I thought I'd read somewhere that the branding on the class-A tanks (e.g. Esso) was removed in the mid 70s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 D'OH! How about this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Ref logos, theres several late 80s shots here of wagons which still have them: https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/T/TTA-2-axle-tank-wagons/ There's also a shot in there from Canterbury... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 If your E Kent layout can justify trains of ferry wagons from Dover, the choice of tanks increases a fair bit, and you can have some very mixed formations - not just tanks, but other ferry vehicles and BR air-braked stuff too. There was a late morning Dover-Willesden (-Mossend?) via Canterbury & Chatham around that time, 47-hauled, which I regularly saw and photographed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I could be wrong here, but I thought I'd read somewhere that the branding on the class-A tanks (e.g. Esso) was removed in the mid 70s?There was certainly a period when all tank wagons on petroluem product flows (not just Class A ones)use to be pretty anonymous, with only the minimum of script to identify the owner/ operator in the case of an incident. Colourful schemes seemed to reappear in the early/mid 1990s, initially with Shell and BP tanks, IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Cheers chaps, especially for the link NSE. With regards to the other wagons etc, I am aiming to build a collection of as varied rolling stock as possible, to occupy what i envisage will be an exchange-siding adjacent to my main station. So, I don't see why I can't have a few ferry vehicles etc... :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 On the company branding of tanks, I've got photos of old/worn Shell and BP logos on tanks still in about 1981-2, although most had no logos/logos removed/painted over. e.g. Hoo Junction, 1981 or 1982, showing painted out ones (big squares) on either side, but this one still with both Shell and BP despite the fact that their joint venture had been dissolved in 1976: However, I've also got photos of newly-painted BP ones in 1983 with newly-applied logos: e.g. Shildon open day 1983: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Many thanks EWD, really useful stuff. :-D Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 I've just got this off Eb*y, any good for 1976 on? :-S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Basic wagon type is OK, livery is a mid 90's one Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Basic wagon type is OK, livery is a mid 90's one Jon What would make it mid-90s, to distinguish it from my 1983 shot above (2nd one in post 14)? The lettering on the logo is slightly thinner and less of a serif on the model than in the photo, but that might be the limitations of the model, which also lacks a TOPS number panel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 A little project for me then.....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 What would make it mid-90s, to distinguish it from my 1983 shot above (2nd one in post 14)? The lettering on the logo is slightly thinner and less of a serif on the model than in the photo, but that might be the limitations of the model, which also lacks a TOPS number panel. Its green not grey http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bpo67560 . Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 What would make it mid-90s, to distinguish it from my 1983 shot above (2nd one in post 14)? The lettering on the logo is slightly thinner and less of a serif on the model than in the photo, but that might be the limitations of the model, which also lacks a TOPS number panel. Its green not black, BP didn't (couldn't) paint its tanks green until the rules for painting class A tanks were relaxed 'about' 1990 - I'm sure if I looked long and hard enough in my Magazine 'archive' for the first press report then we could narrow it down further, but it's cold and dark where my magazines live. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 D'OH! How about this? Beware of the hazard warning plaque. The style shown looks a bit modern for 1976 to me. I'm happy to be corrected but I only remember signage in the style shown becoming universal in the 1980s. That's only based on my increasingly fuzzy memories of the era though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Here's a comparison. Thanks to Paul for this image: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 On the green versus grey/black, all I can say is "duh". Sorry. Think my other screen needs adjusting, as it's blindingly obvious this morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Here's a comparison. Thanks to Paul for this image: Fair enough. I stand corrected and may, indeed, end up using similar tank wagons for a similar era layout. I love the way RMWeb knows everything . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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