MikeOxon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm not so sure! The 'dead-end' turntable looks like an accident waiting to happen, to me. Perhaps you could start the curve into the turntable, so that it is already pointing towards the sidings in the 'rest' position? Very rough sketch: Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Such wimpishness! I have a dead-end turntable within about two inches of the edge of the layout (and, still haven't built the wall to protect from disaster). K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chimer Posted February 11, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2016 Wimp or not, I'm with Mike on this one ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold halsey Posted February 11, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2016 Typical - I post 2 options and the consensus is already developing to do a 3rd (i.e. something between the 2) - I'll have a play with the reality over the weekend but although I get the point and the run to the TT is doable but I think the curves after the TT might just be a stretch too far. I'll look forward to David's input at 2am! BFN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Dead end turntables existed, nine elms being the example I can think of. Maybe incorrectly, but that might be a place to start looking at and seeing how it can be compressed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 "Dead end turntables existed" Indeed, but, setting aside my earlier bullishness, they do entail certain risks, of which we all heard cautionary tales as children. K 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Well Gordon was always the awkward type... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 You could always put a wall or fence around the turntable where it is near the baseboard edge. A few 2" nails with the heads filed off and drilled to take strands of N/S wire bashed into the baseboard supports makes a good solid Gordon proof restraint. One advantage the modeller has over 305mm / ft is that our locos have infinitely variable control. Gordon with his stiff pull out regulator,restricted cut off and slow acting brakes (Did he have steam brakes or was it Vacuum?) would have had problems stopping in the right place to balance the table. Was Gordon 2 cylinder like the RHDR locos? And was the tender a group standard 4200 gallon? It is very hard to tell from nearholmers picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold halsey Posted February 12, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2016 "Dead End" it its then See attached mock up - the "raised" section is 6mm ply which gives me a sacrificial BB topping and thereby makes the TT easier to recess without permanent damage to main BB. I will disguise the two visible edges with a wall/hedge in due course and only have one TT feed track to lift with a very gentle gradient to marry up with the TT. The shed environment will all be on the same level - not prototypical it but makes good sense for me. Good news - I finally got a superb Bachmann Ivatt 2-6-2 Loco deal via eBay - not cheap but truly NEW (old shop stock) - this will be my last one for a while BUT it has restored my faith. Cheers all once again - have a good weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) DCB Credit where credit I'd due. I think it is probably Reginald Dalby's picture; I definitely can't draw or paint that well. http://www.sodor-island.net/rsartists.html As to Gordon's technical specification, if you ferret about on the web, I think that you will find that, like all the early engines, he was based on a model that ran on Rev Awdry's layout, so probably a three pole Reidpath, permanent magnet motor, or something of that ilk, rather than any number of cylinders. (The fence thing is, of course the right idea) Kevin Edit: well, it appears that Gordon was, in fact, a Rovex's Princess, chopped-about and matched with a W&H tender, and he is preserved at Tywyn! http://www.pegnsean.net/~railwayseries/gordon.htm Edited February 12, 2016 by Nearholmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I thought Gordon was a Gresley loco, based on the firebox shape. Think he got on all right when Flying Scotsman visited but didn't like City of Truro. Anyway, back in the room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOxon Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I know that you want to be 'prototypical' and the dead-end layout did not look 'right' to me. As Zomboid pointed out, I was wrong over that and, if it was ok for nine Elms, then I am content 6-inch OS map published 1898 Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold halsey Posted February 16, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2016 Hi Guys, More help please.......................... what can I use to permanently and rigidly fix Peco (track sleepers) to my Dapol (polystyrene) turntable base - David has come up with a suggestion but is there a glue that will work? I have written to both tech depts. I need to fix each product directly to one another for reasons of height so I can't use an intermediate enabling surface. Cheers. J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightbe Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Butanone would almost surely do it. It would be a full-on plastic weld. Then again, that might be *too* permanent. Quentin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_1066 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Superglue should also do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold halsey Posted February 16, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2016 Hi Jon/Quentin Superglue doesn't even touch it. Peco have just come back and specifically recommended - "Plastic Weld"? I'll have a look at Butanone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_1066 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 It is basically the stuff you use to make Airfix model airplanes. Look up Liquid Polystyrene Cement. I am surprised that superglue doesn't work though - as that should also glue polystyrene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Or, forget glue, and go for a mechanical fastening of some kind. Drill through sleepers and deck, and use 12BA NBWs? Drill through sleepers and deck and use brass pins, clenched over underneath? Insert a walkway of thin brass sheet between the sleepers along the length of the deck, with that fastened to the deck using12 BA NBWs? Get rid of the sleepers, solder the rails to a sheet of copper clad, gapped for insulation, then proceed as above? All are possibilities. K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold halsey Posted February 16, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2016 Problem solved -Pecos latest reply sheds light on it -"Our Setrack track base uses a styrene type plastic so can be glued using a styrene solvent type adhesive. Our Streamline track however uses a polythene type plastic which cannot be glued. If you have any questions please phone us on 01297 21542 ext 261." I was experimenting with a spare sleeper from my streamline track! My thanks to David as I have bought a short section of rigid setrack for the TT so that is what I will use and it will stick. re Kevins solutions - all good but as yet I haven't ventured into the realms of copper/brass and soldering - perhaps that's next winters project! BFN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chimer Posted February 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2016 I'm just amazed the damn thing doesn't come with track fitted. Something else to remember for the last great project. Surely turntables don't normally feature sleepered track though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold halsey Posted February 17, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2016 True but for £8 one cant complain! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I'm just amazed the damn thing doesn't come with track fitted. Something else to remember for the last great project. Surely turntables don't normally feature sleepered track though?It would no doubt have the wrong size rails, spaced the wrong distance apart, and would create headaches for those who want to alter the length.Not sure what proportion of purchasers would have those problems though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The model is so ancient that it was probably designed to accept a standard length of Triang Super 4 or Hornby Dublo tinplate track! K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold halsey Posted February 17, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2016 That's makes me pretty ancient then as I remember building one of these in Airfix mode when I guess I was about 9 - more than a 1/2 century ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold halsey Posted February 17, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) TT in situ KIT not completed but it all works EXCEPT FOR my first stupid mistake - I have wired all the shed tracks in common so although they all work - they aren't isolated one from another! 5 on/off switches now ordered - a 5 position rotary switch felt a bit beyond me! Good job all my wire lengths are substantially oversized - an adopted standard philosophy which has stood me in good stead so far. Edited February 17, 2016 by halsey 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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