Jamiel Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) Sorry if I have got the wrong end of the stick, but are the 3 bars that are being talked about in the radiator grill as shown below? They appear to be visible on quite a few photos I have, and also I found a photo of one with two bars (it would seem anyway).I do suspect they got dirty pretty quickly and so were obscured. They could be weathered back with a little paint, then wiped off to keep the outer grills mesh clear, and the bars behind more subdued if needed.Jamie Edited December 12, 2015 by Jamiel 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) The attempt to model a "better" class 24 is to be applauded, but how did the radiator grill acquire 3 vertical bars when these are not visible in the prototype? This leaps out to me as wrong, but I would have thought that this was easy to rectify on subsequent batches. These vertical bars are far more noticeable than the number of slats in the grill. There is a awful lot to commend on this model but it is not perfect. ....me thinks that you need to look at more prototype 24 radiator grills. Given the number of detail variations within even the hundred plus headcode disc fitted 24s it isn't easy to find any two identical locos.....the more you look at prototype images the more detail variations you'll find. The single most significant feature of this loco for me is the correct body profile inc. 'the face' with its correct size window apertures, roof curves & angled slope of front end because for those minded to model a specific set of individual details and create a very individual loco it is the best point to start from. Dave Edited December 13, 2015 by Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37081LochLong Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Things are changing! If you go to http://www.sulzertype2.com/now, you get a new front page for Rail Exclusives with a Load Haul 37 on the page, and when you click enter and it takes you to the standard Rail Exclusives pages now! EDIT: just tried again and clicking enter took me to the class 24 pages so i guess they are just working on the site and i caught it mid change Edited December 13, 2015 by 37081LochLong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 It's very slow, very sophisticated, but slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) No problem at all on my Mac via BT, so perhaps it could be a function of your internet connection. Apologies for my wife nattering to her mum in the background...:-) Edited December 13, 2015 by gordon s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 It's very slow, very sophisticated, but slow. It's not obvious, but try clicking on the line of dots towards the bottom right, Each dot represents a new page in the presentation. Kind regards, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Aft'noon all, These juxtaposed examples will help demonstrate the advance in body profile with the SLW model compared e.g. with the most recent contender by Bachmann The correct roof curving/beading over the cab front windows and roof profile on the SLW model contrasts with the too shallow curvature on the other model....throwing out the proportions of the bodyside, or the height of the bodyside on the Bachmann threw out the curvature/proportions of the roof/cab front The correct cab front window shapes & sizes on the SLW are considerably smaller than on the other model The unsightly joint on the cab front between body and chassis is absent on the SLW variant.... The angle of the cab front upper is correct on the SLW example but not on the other.... Battery box/underslung tank area and bodyside grilles...there is no mistaking the fidelity of the SLW model.... Disregard the amateurish start to repainting on the lower bogie, it does however offer a comparison between the two versions, The overthick tyre rims of the Ultrascale wheelsets stand out too on the lower image.... Dave Satisfied type 2 owner Edited December 14, 2015 by Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Tor Gifford comented on my post about the 3 vertical bars on the radiator grill as ....me thinks that you need to look at more prototype 24 radiator grills. I find this comment at best presumptious and at worst patrionising as it implies I dont know what I am talking about. As someone who has spent 15 years researching Class 24 (and 25,s) and have studied 100 of photos and who has also had a book published on the subject (Diesels in Depth Class 24 and 25 with Ian Allan) I do know a little about this class. My point was that yes these vertical bars exist but in normal lighting conditions they cannot be seen. When viewed in bright sunlight at 45% thet are faintly visable, but otherwise not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 This looks to be a case where etching makes life difficult, the verticals on the real thing are fixed behind the horizontal slats, on the etch they look to be the same layer. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Re post 518 ....your actual quote was "not visible on the prototype" when there are numerous images showing that they are. Why not just say that they are visible under certain lighting conditions? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted December 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2015 I think that all disinterested parties will agree that an injection-moulded grille would, in this case, have produced a more prototypical appearance; probably at less cost. That said, this is SLW's first production, and there is bound to be something of a learning curve. If only Dave would let us draw our own conclusions, instead of leaping to the defence of SLW in response to each and every posting; (have they asked or authorised him to do so?); we'd have a much more reasoned debate ! Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) ....you are free to post anything you like John. My only interest is in the best model of a type 2. Dave Edited December 13, 2015 by Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted December 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2015 ....you are free to post anything you like John. My only interest is in the best model of a type 2. I Dave Yes Dave - I think that we've got the message that, IYHO, the sun shines out of it's B end !! Regards, John Isherwood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Oh come on people- whichever side of the debate you sit on, neither side needs to be so rude to the other. If you like it- buy it If you don't like it- don't buy it. People keep saying "...but it SLW are saying it's perfect..." No they aren't.. They've never claimed that. Dave TG- with great respect to his enthusiasm- is a customer expressing his personal opinion, just as those who don't seem to like it are expressing their personal opinion. Speaking personally, I accept the viewpoint of some of the real experts that it is slightly wrong with the grills- but not enough to stop me buying it. As for complaining about whether or not the vertical bars should be behind the grill- if they aren't easily visible could you imagine the indignation and shock if SLW had left them out on the basis that you could not see them normally? This is supposed to be a relaxing hobby apparently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted December 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Oh come on people- whichever side of the debate you sit on, neither side needs to be so rude to the other. If you like it- buy it If you don't like it- don't buy it. People keep saying "...but it SLW are saying it's perfect..." No they aren't.. They've never claimed that. Dave TG- with great respect to his enthusiasm- is a customer expressing his personal opinion, just as those who don't seem to like it are expressing their personal opinion. Speaking personally, I accept the viewpoint of some of the real experts that it is slightly wrong with the grills- but not enough to stop me buying it. As for complaining about whether or not the vertical bars should be behind the grill- if they aren't easily visible could you imagine the indignation and shock if SLW had left them out on the basis that you could not see them normally? This is supposed to be a relaxing hobby apparently. I don't disagree in any way at all. However, I have become more than a little exasperated that any comment that doesn't effectively say "This Class 24 from SLW is the greatest thing since sliced bread" - no make that "since bread was invented" - is met by instant dismissal and, yet again, a diatribe on the iniquities of suggesting that SLW is owed anything less than the Nobel Prize for Model Locomotive Production ! Please, can we express our opinions of this model without our views being dismissed by Dave? Not much too ask, surely? The daft part is that I expressed my interest in buying this model to SLW before Dave started all this - now I'm not so sure whether I'll follow it up tomorrow ! Regards, John Isherwood. Edited December 13, 2015 by cctransuk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted December 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2015 Hmm. A plastic injection moulded grill would melt when barbequing, unlike a metal one. A grille, however.......could be either. I still can't decide whether to buy one of these 24's! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 My point was that the reinforcing bars are behnd the grill, the toolmaker for the model has put them in front. It reminds me of looking at an attractive girl who has a spot on her face, ones eye is drawn to the blemish, not to the rest of her face. It is indeed a good model but not perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted December 13, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2015 Hmm. A plastic injection moulded grill would melt when barbequing, unlike a metal one. A grille, however.......could be either. I still can't decide whether to buy one of these 24's! I took the decision to buy D 5000 yesterday.It appears to be a quality product. It's a fair old amount of cash but........and here I reflect........the most expensive model I have ever purchased was also a diesel pioneer and that remains probably the best ever of any kind that I have.One I have never regretted parting with £400 for...my FIA Trains 10000 .Makes £160 seem modest by comparison I like what I see with Phil Sutton's new baby. I'm giving it a go.By heck,though,it isn't half generating some angst on this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted December 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2015 As an outside punter, I have to wait and see if I can get a D5000 next week. And also see if I can persuade Mrs NHN a sound one would be ....sound! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Succumbed to one...gonna be in serious bother if SWMBO finds out the price.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamiel Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Off topic (but no more than some others).Would it help to start a separate topic on this subject (with a possible subtext)?Personally I think the yellow one is too yellow, and for the period that interests me should only be half yellow anyway. Some might suggest that the other one is bauxite, but I would say it wouldn't match any other bauxite ones I have, and a little rust colour should be towards the bottom would surely be needed. As for the texturing, seriously it is just over the top, yes they would crease over time, but more randomly. Supplying it with such an obvious lock, or way to couple the hood just doesn't reflect the market for those who want to choose their own method of docking. At the heart of the problem is that I just haven't seen any documentary photographs that match what they are trying to achieve.(Please don't take this seriously.)Back on topic, I rather like the Rail Exclusive Class 24, and hope to buy one when they are released to new customers.Jamie Edited December 13, 2015 by Jamiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Off topic (but no more than some others). Would it help to start a separate topic on this subject (with a possible subtext)? Personally I think the yellow one is too yellow, and for the period that interests me should only be half yellow anyway. Some might suggest that the other one is bauxite, but I would say it wouldn't match any other bauxite ones I have, and a little rust colour should be towards the bottom would surely be needed. As for the texturing, seriously it is just over the top, yes they would crease over time, but more randomly. Supplying it with such an obvious lock, or way to couple the hood just doesn't reflect the market for those who want to choose their own method of docking. At the heart of the problem is that I just haven't seen any documentary photographs that match what they are trying to achieve. (Please don't take this seriously.) Back on topic, I rather like the Rail Exclusive Class 24, and hope to buy one when they are released to new customers. Jamie This is the first page of any RMWeb thread that my wife has ever shown any interest in....... Incidentally, she agrees with your analysis but her conclusion would be to buy all of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamiel Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) This is the first page of any RMWeb thread that my wife has ever shown any interest in....... Incidentally, she agrees with your analysis but her conclusion would be to buy all of them. Does that give you free reign to buy both the blue and green Class 24's as well? Jamie Edited December 13, 2015 by Jamiel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 This is the first page of any RMWeb thread that my wife has ever shown any interest in....... Incidentally, she agrees with your analysis but her conclusion would be to buy all of them. Puts a new slant on 'Handbags at Dawn' Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 My point was that the reinforcing bars are behnd the grill, the toolmaker for the model has put them in front.It reminds me of looking at an attractive girl who has a spot on her face, ones eye is drawn to the blemish, not to the rest of her face. It is indeed a good model but not perfect! D5018 - Copy.JPG[/quote The wide diagonal bar also appears much closer to the grill mesh, being more prominent than on the model, where it appears recessed. Perhaps EE Brian will consider producing a more accurate replacement that would resolve this issue ? Regardless of this and the possible glazing ? issue still easily the best 24 model presently available......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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