Edwardian Posted April 3, 2022 Author Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: Larger on the inside than the outside. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted April 3, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2022 On 02/04/2022 at 20:30, figworthy said: Towards the end of my working life, I concluded that "management incompetence" was a third certainty. That’s because the Parkinson principle never fully applies: although people rise to one level above their competency, they don’t drop back to their competency. What they usually do is develop a competency for shifting the blame, which sees them elevated even further beyond their natural ceiling… Then there’s the Government Minister Model, where (with just a few exceptions*) no one is ever in post long enough to do much more that halt or change the previous incumbent’s policies, and moves on before their own limitations are apparent. * Jack Straw as Home Secretary, a firebrand left-winger in his day who was acknowledged to have been the most illiberal occupant in history. Until Priti Patel. And Theresa May as Home Secretary. So controlling that nothing got done. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Lager on the inside? Seldom a good look. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted April 3, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2022 To be fair to Government Ministers it would be easier to dock a large tanker at Watchet than to steer the civil service. No Minister can specify all the details so unless their policy suits their branch of the civil service it will not be properly implemented. Plus if it doesn't suit the treasury funding will be difficult. Don 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted April 3, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Donw said: To be fair to Government Ministers it would be easier to dock a large tanker at Watchet than to steer the civil service. No Minister can specify all the details so unless their policy suits their branch of the civil service it will not be properly implemented. I think the major role of the civil service is to prevent Radical Ministerial Intervention, to save the system from the shock of rapid change. This may not always be a bad thing. Quote Plus if it doesn't suit the treasury funding will be difficult. Ah yes. Ultimately, if No. 11 doesn’t like it, it won’t happen. And you can’t hide it from the Treasury for very long. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Regularity said: That’s because the Parkinson principle never fully applies: although people rise to one level above their competency, they don’t drop back to their competency. What they usually do is develop a competency for shifting the blame, which sees them elevated even further beyond their natural ceiling… Then there’s the Government Minister Model, where (with just a few exceptions*) no one is ever in post long enough to do much more that halt or change the previous incumbent’s policies, and moves on before their own limitations are apparent. * Jack Straw as Home Secretary, a firebrand left-winger in his day who was acknowledged to have been the most illiberal occupant in history. Until Priti Patel. And Theresa May as Home Secretary. So controlling that nothing got done. That's similar to the "Boy wonder" principle in engineering and manufacturing They come along with a glowing reference for having saved time and money in another business by cutting back on maintenance schedules, minimizing materials and component stock in line with the "Just in time" principles. (which doesn't work in specialist and small volume production scenarios) They then leave for the next post with a glowing reference, about six months before it's realised that their system is unsustainable. Cue missed targets, critical path breakdowns, all the snags of outsourcing and looming redundancies. Meanwhile, as a sweetener in his new job, boy wonder is given an even bigger BMW... Edited April 3, 2022 by MrWolf 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted April 3, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, MrWolf said: That's similar to the "Boy wonder" principle in engineering and manufacturing Sometimes such people are given glowing references to help move them on from where they are currently employed… 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Sounds awfully like our military managements? Although retarded now [put out to grass?] as a [UN] civil servant of the non-deskbound variety [I used to work a lot outside]...much of my Establishment's management [and latterly , my own] was sourced from the Forces...Army,RAF, occasionally the odd RM too....[the place was tri-service].. The issue was, the length of time they were in post, before moving on [progressing, I think they call it?]... Much the same sort of scenario would occur, if left unchecked, as mentioned by posters above. As an Establishment, the problems were kept in check by the use of a 'management-workforce' [me?] committee. All departments of the Establishment were represented, but the Instructors formed by far the largest body of the workforce...all 'specialists' in military or MoD terms, all pretty irreplaceable too, due to successive Government blanket interventions on recruitment. Not merely a dozen or so, but actually, [at one time] many many hundreds....most graded at Band D in Civil Service terms [bloody nuisances, in ministerial terms], the most influential [and numerically represented] on the 'committee' was the local 'union'....[PCS eventually, and again, we were a 'nuisance' due to sheer numbers...] In actuality, senior military management really welcomed the committee principle. Most didn't initially have a clue how to 'manage' a civilian workforce [imagine trying to herd cats? Nothing in the military management handbook about how to herd cats!], but were guided and aided in their endeavours. Some would have said, we ''civilianised'' too may senior military personnel...but that is purely anecdotal....so to speak. But, the main purpose of the workforce management committee [purely localised] was that, every new 'idea' that spurted from colonels or majors or groupies or whatever, was scrutinized, and often deterred, citing past evidence, and what went wrong. The results were, that ''innovative'' ideas [change is always good, a military mantra, so it seemed?], were stifled if the eventual outcome, 2 years down the line, would prove detrimental. The 'workforce ' [as above] were far from short-term in service.....nearly all instructors being 'in it' for the very long haul...think 10, 15, or 20 years-plus....which was unusual for specialists in any Government department. Most of the turnover resulted from retirement or the falling-off of one's perch. SHifting upwards wasn't an option really, but latterly, folk would get the sack for infringements of Civil Service T&Cs...But this was, & is, right across the CS board nowadays. BIG culture shock for the grey deskbound types. The advantage of my old Establishment was that, within it there were a multitude of departments, some working world-wide. One could, if so desired, shift from one to another [on merit, usually], as the mood struck......Everybody 'started' off as an Instructor....and their 'careers' were built on that. Pay usually remained the same [unless one wanted to g for an upgraded post, not so common], but, what one 'did' for a living changed, within the parameters. For example, departments like 'validation' governed the training conducted throughout the military. [In our field , actually numerically, the largest], which consisted of experienced Instructors doing summat else [and annoying military managements world-wide]... ''Course design'' was another.....again the remit was world-wide, not just our Establishment. Personally, I got to 'play' with a lot of fun stuff.... Everything from circus tricks to serious stuff [all in terms of driving and associated skills]...actually pushing reluctant personnel through their various licences was but a quite small part of what was available if one wished to have a change. Narrowly escaped being an Examiner...was accepted, courses done,, etc, but decided I wanted to do summat else instead..... My 2nd line manager was, eventually, a Major....which presented problems since my own line manager [a C2 if that means anything to anyone?] was of the same rank equivalence to a Major....one could not have a line manager of the same rank or grade as oneself..... However, the MAjor was a skilled individual, militarily, and there wasn't a Lt Colonel available with the same skillset....so we all rubbed along, quite nicely as it happened. He became quite enthusiastic about his hundred-odd old fart instructors...who had the skill sets to train anybody in anything, so to speak....relevantly, of course. His one big problem was, his workforce was becoming ever older. Which meant, the numbers leaving for retirement, etc etc would exceed the numbers being qualified sufficiently to slide in at the bottom, such were the established military qualifications criteria. Again, a legacy of short-sighted political recruitment policies of decades ago [now]. Bless him, I dunno if he's still around nowadays? I believe he refused the chance of promotion to take the job originally? Now they have had to 'top up' the workforce with suitably qualified military personnel...which will cost them a fortune when compared to Civil Servants, or, even, contractors [which, when I was there, had proven to be unworkable given the types of training conducted.] The problem military personnel had wasn't the 'qualifications', but the skills and experience in delivering. Used to come across that issue all the time when undergoing the various training courses myself....we were often mixed up together on training courses. OK, so I, personally, would be exempted from a lot of the 'running around' that used to occur....but we 'civvies' brought skills to the table that complemented those of the military personnel. Which was useful to everybody. They all called me 'sir'......oddly, even Colonels......and a lot of the older instructors were known more by their first names, which I had no issues with, regardless of who or what was addressing me. One became 'known'....one was more than just a 'face' to the hundreds and thousands who came through the sausage factory... Golly gosh, a chap just a few doors up from me in my village, is a serving senior NCO....and remembered having been trained by me years ago, in some aspect or other of my world. Not forgetting the Powergen pole crane operative who, when we were placed 'underground' last year, got chatting, and 'knew' my face....turned out he was ex-military, and I had taught him to drive off road, amongst other things... Thankfully, folk have ceased asking me, on a random basis, what time the next bus is.... How the world has changed?? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysarefun Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Of course for every underqualified jobsworth there's a 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edwardian Posted April 5, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 My Gosh, the things we expose children to! Have now moved. Sort of. There is still a load of kit back at the old house, and only a week in which to clear it, but we slept at the new gaff for the first time last night. Well, the kids slept, I didn't. It was too dry, like when one cannot sleep in an hotel bedroom due to the dry atmosphere created by the aircon. The scale of the damp in the old house became apparent when the book cases were removed yesterday. One corner cabinet's legs had entirely rotted away and one bookcase base was covered in white mould. As this one had barely started to rot, I think I've saved it just in time. A seventh winter might have put paid to it. No wonder the books on the lower shelves smelt musty! This house is dry, and warm. The radiators here become more than tepid and the heat stays, there is actually insulation here, too. Don't rent from the Mortham Estate, my friends, that's the motto of this story; the trustees are greedy and neglectful. There's daylight showing through the roof, from which several slates have slipped, and the wiring is most charitably described as 'unreliable'. The move has involved moving to Yorkshire even though, historically speaking, I've been in the North Riding all along because the old gaff was south of the Tees, which was traditionally the border. However, we were very near Barnard Castle and the focus was County Durham. Now I've moved parliamentary constituency , from the fallen Red Wall to one of the Bluest of the Blue and the Chancellor of the Exchequer is now my MP. Sort of ironic that 'levelling up' of the North has levered me out of a new Conservative seat into a more expensive postcode, except that, thanks to the unbridled greed of the Mortham Trustees, it's actually cheaper and a lot, lot pleasanter! So, modelling .... Well, it will be three weeks I reckon before the sheds go up. I have only laid on myself the tasks of electricity and insulation before winter, so I don't expect to be working on CA or other layouts in them this year. Modelling will be at the work bench in the house, once the dust settles on the move. Shelves for the railway books are circa 14 weeks away, so, again, not much swatting up will be done for a while. Hope you are all well, I must off to feed the bairns. And so to wine ..... 13 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted April 5, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) Is there a “school run” involved as well? Anyway, good to hear you’ve moved alright. We want pictures! (If ever they come back, I had a nasty turn this afternoon, logging in after lunch and finding the site was discompooperated, fortunately it was only temporary) p.s. I clicked on what is possibly the “friendly/supportive” emoji, but as they’re currently blank rectangles, I may have inadvertently clicked on the “kiss my a***” one, in which case I hope you don’t take it amiss. Edited April 5, 2022 by Northroader 3 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted April 5, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2022 On 03/04/2022 at 08:55, martinT said: why the delay? I didn't want to jump to any hasty conclusions. Adrian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Northroader said: Is there a “school run” involved as well? Anyway, good to hear you’ve moved alright. We want pictures! (If ever they come back, I had a nasty turn this afternoon, logging in after lunch and finding the site was discompooperated, fortunately it was only temporary) The school run is a little longer now we've moved. The choice used to be via a castle or an abbey. Now it's between a castle and an abbey or two castles, so we've move one castle further away from the school. 2 hours ago, Northroader said: p.s. I clicked on what is possibly the “friendly/supportive” emoji, but as they’re currently blank rectangles, I may have inadvertently clicked on the “kiss my a***” one, in which case I hope you don’t take it amiss. Me too! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 5, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2022 31 minutes ago, Edwardian said: The school run is a little longer now we've moved. The choice used to be via a castle or an abbey. Now it's between a castle and an abbey or two castles, so we've move one castle further away from the school. Life with children is a game of chess. 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 6, 2022 Author Share Posted April 6, 2022 7 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Life with children is a game of chess. At least chess has rules 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 My youngest daughter, being a child, insists that it is possible to change them at will (her will, not mine) though, as she does the rules of any other game or sport, which rather negates that advantage. 3 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 6, 2022 Author Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Nearholmer said: My youngest daughter, being a child, insists that it is possible to change them at will (her will, not mine) Sounds like she's ahead of the game, that knowledge will stand her in good stead should she ever decide to marry! My daughter, who is 14, is the cause of much fatherly anxiety; for whoever she starts dating. 2 1 6 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edwardian Posted April 6, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2022 Someone mentioned pictures. First, something of the rising damp that afflicts the whole ground floor. You can also see where the rats have burrowed through from the empty property next door. I take a strong line on rats, so apologies to those with tender consciences, but I exterminated them all and they haven't been back. Remember, the Mortham Trustees wanted a 15% rent increase for the privilege of remaining in this property. Here is the mould I had to remove from the bookcase base: Here are the rotted remains of the corner cabinet legs: New gaff (pantile roof, centre of shot): Lungs, by the way, have adjusted to dry air. Slept like a log last night. 19 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Really glad to hear you have somewhere wind-, water- and vermin-tight. Moving sounds like it was one of those "Wouldn't have chosen to do it, but it's for the best" things. Besides, if the new home is that much drier, that can only be good for the longevity of Castle Aching and its card buildings. 1 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Good news on the move, we are also about to move house, similar problems with our rented property. The only reason why we don't suffer damp is because we live on the first floor, but we do get the occasional ceiling leak from a badly reroofed bay window. I see that your interior designers were the same cheapskates who did our place. Same paint, same carpet. Fed up unraveling bits of that carpet from the vacuum cleaner! 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted April 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2022 9 hours ago, Edwardian said: Remember, the Mortham Trustees wanted a 15% rent increase for the privilege of remaining in this property. And now I suppose the Mordor Mortham Trustees have suffered a 100% income reduction since it's unlikely they'll get anybody else to live there. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Annie said: And now I suppose the Mordor Mortham Trustees have suffered a 100% income reduction since it's unlikely they'll get anybody else to live there. Do the minimum, patch over cheaply so everything looks superficially fine and then let it to some other mug at an even higher rent would be my guess. Do I see them lining the roof, adding to the mere wisp of rockwool in the attic, replacing the faulty section of the ground floor socket circuit or the several ceiling lights that blow bulbs constantly? Do I see them tackling the fundamental problem of rising damp through the property? Do I foresee them replacing the boiler which is almost as old as I am with one energy efficient or the rusting old radiators that produce very little heat for the money spent on fuel oil? 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted April 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2022 Your new place looks to be a whole lot better by many percentage points so definitely a step up in every way from Rising Damp Farm. It will be much better for you and your children's health as well. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 7, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2022 You'll already be wondering why you put up with the previous bothy so long! (Splendid location though.) 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 20 hours ago, Edwardian said: You can also see where the rats have burrowed through from the empty property next door. I take a strong line on rats, so apologies to those with tender consciences, but I exterminated them all and they haven't been back. What though of the problem of Zombie rats seeking their revenge? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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