Robinson102 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Just wondering if anyone knows of any companies who sells bogies/bogie kits, which can be used to replace the Lima bogies with the molded 'wide' tension lock couplings? I am considering getting rid of my Lima items, if it is not possible to change the bogies (and thus the couplings) as the wide, molded couples just don't seem to interact well with the narrower types used by Bachmann, Dapol, Hornby etc. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Could you perhaps be a little more specific about which vehicles are involved? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted February 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2016 Could you perhaps be a little more specific about which vehicles are involved? What's the bet that its in reference to the BR1 bogie, that Lima managed to fit to almost every BR & pre-nationalisation coaching stock model! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 If you are looking to replac e the bogies on Mk1 and Mk2 stock you can use Bachmann BR1, B4 or Commonwealth bogies by simply removing the Lima bogie and drilling the pivot hole with a 4.2mm drill. You can then tap the hole with an M5 tap and fit the Bachmann bogie using an M5 bolt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I should add that you can use Bachmann BR1 bogies on Lima GUV's. You can also use Bachmann Stanier bogies on the LMS 42' CCT but you will need to manufacture spacers because the bogie pivot is lower than the frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 What's the bet that its in reference to the BR1 bogie, that Lima managed to fit to almost every BR & pre-nationalisation coaching stock model! Bogies were not Lima's strong suite, were they, but then neither were they Hornby's. Apart from the ubiquitous BR1 on all passenger stock, Lima had the 'Ruritarian Railways' bogies on the otherwise excellent Fertiliser van, whilst Hornby still insist on using the former Transcontinental passenger coach bogie on the 100t tanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2016 Replica are good too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinson102 Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Thank you for the replies. To answer the question as to what vehicles I am looking to replace the bogies on, the following come to mind: Several GWR/ex-GWR Siphon G & Siphon H vans; A departmental MK1 coach; One of the above mentioned fertilizer vans. I'm sure I have others, but those are the ones which I was initially thinking of. If it wasn't for the couplings being molded to the bogies, I could cope with the Lima bogies (even if they weren't exactly accurate) - unfortunately I'm finding that the Lima couplings just don't seem to interact with the NEM type couplings very well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2016 Re the fertiliser vans. A certain manufacturer of compensated bogies has the correct Gloucester bogies on the drawing board and hopefully available in the not too distant future. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Re the fertiliser vans. A certain manufacturer of compensated bogies has the correct Gloucester bogies on the drawing board and hopefully available in the not too distant future. Mike. S Kits also do a white metal version of the correct bogie which are easy to build. I usually drill out the pivot hole with a 5mm drill and fit them in the same manner as Bachmann bogies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Thank you for the replies. To answer the question as to what vehicles I am looking to replace the bogies on, the following come to mind: Several GWR/ex-GWR Siphon G & Siphon H vans; A departmental MK1 coach; One of the above mentioned fertilizer vans. I'm sure I have others, but those are the ones which I was initially thinking of. If it wasn't for the couplings being molded to the bogies, I could cope with the Lima bogies (even if they weren't exactly accurate) - unfortunately I'm finding that the Lima couplings just don't seem to interact with the NEM type couplings very well! Bachmann GWR bogies (ex Dapol outside framed syphon G) will just about pass. I've used these on my Lima syphons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Thank you for the replies. To answer the question as to what vehicles I am looking to replace the bogies on, the following come to mind: Several GWR/ex-GWR Siphon G & Siphon H vans; A departmental MK1 coach; One of the above mentioned fertilizer vans. I'm sure I have others, but those are the ones which I was initially thinking of. If it wasn't for the couplings being molded to the bogies, I could cope with the Lima bogies (even if they weren't exactly accurate) - unfortunately I'm finding that the Lima couplings just don't seem to interact with the NEM type couplings very well! To be honest, all Lima bogies are extremely 'malnourished' and look too small. The wheels on a MK1 bogie should be 12mm for starters. I find that fitting Bachmann bogies makes a lot of difference. Add on flush glazing, proper vents or even etched brass sides, you can make a pretty decent coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 With reference to the PWA pallet van, I did try fitting some Lima TEA tanker bogies which are the correct shape, but being under-scale, as with all Lima bogie, they just looked wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 25, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2016 BR1 14mm B4 12mm GWR 14mm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 BR1 14mm B4 12mm GWR 14mm Good point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinson102 Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Thank you all for this information - it's good to know that there are some practical options for replacing these Lima bogies! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2016 S Kits also do a white metal version of the correct bogie which are easy to build. I usually drill out the pivot hole with a 5mm drill and fit them in the same manner as Bachmann bogies. Its the wrong bogie and the wrong wheelbase, but apart from that! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Its the wrong bogie and the wrong wheelbase, but apart from that! Mike. Looks alright painted and fitted. I thought they were Gloucester bogies of pretty much the same pattern as those fitted to TEA's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 26, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2016 Looks alright painted and fitted. I thought they were Gloucester bogies of pretty much the same pattern as those fitted to TEA's. Gloucester fastfreight, similar but totally different, it's probably me being anal about wagons, although anything would be an improvement! Should have 2' 9" wheels also, that's why in pictures they seem to hunker down. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted February 26, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2016 Gloucester fastfreight, similar but totally different, it's probably me being anal about wagons, although anything would be an improvement! Should have 2' 9" wheels also, that's why in pictures they seem to hunker down. Mike. ...also I believe the number of coil springs is different. The SKits vogue has 3 and the one under the pallet van have only 2 I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 ...also I believe the number of coil springs is different. The SKits vogue has 3 and the one under the pallet van have only 2 I believe. I agree. I did study pictures in the Gamble books but the S Kits were the closest thing I could find at the time, even though they were slightly wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 One of my PWA's fitted with S Kits Glougester bogies awaiting painting: If the correct bogies come out at a reasonable price I will fit those instead and then fit the surplus bogies to my Lima TEA's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinson102 Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 One of my PWA's fitted with S Kits Glougester bogies awaiting painting: WP_20160226_002.jpg If the correct bogies come out at a reasonable price I will fit those instead and then fit the surplus bogies to my Lima TEA's. Interesting... How did you deal with the couplings issue? Given that the Lima couplings are usually part of the bogies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 The bogie off the Airfix Centenary stock, Siphon G and H work on the Lima Siphon. The Bachmann GW bogie also. To be totally accurate, cut off the footsteps when fitting to the Siphon G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgj Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) I have replaced the common Lima mk1 bogie fitted to everything but no replacement is a straight swap because the Lima bogie has a pivot "tower" on the top. When fitting a replacement you have to fabricate a new pivot. this is how I did it on a Lima guv with Bachmann LMS bogies. I built up a stack of plasictard on top of the bogie so that the coach ran at the right height. I fixed a piece of plastic rod with a small hole at one end that would take a self tapping screw into the pivot hole in the coach floor and that seemed to work. It may be easier to build the pad up on the coach floor instead with a small ring on top slightly thicker than the bogie top plate and then use a self tapper and washer. This would be a bit more like the Bachmann pivot on their coaches. I had to cut away the floor on either side of the pivoto clear the wheels. Note the incorrect spelling of the word "Length" on the side of the guv! Edited February 26, 2016 by drgj 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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